Oh, roughly same chance as always.

It never was a GÇ£small allianceGÇ¥/independent kind of arena.

CCP is providing tools for guerilla warfare and subterfuge

If you go back far enough, say 6 or 7 years ago, "small" groups of 50 - 100 actually did hold and keep sov.

Nullsec was better in those days.

The state of nullsec in it's current form should be considered an embarrassment.

Rose colored glasses type thinking. The groups that did that back then were no more than Vassals of larger groups (basically the renters of the day) or inhabited space so useless (before Dominion's system upgrade scheme, people forget the useless desert 90% of null sec systems with less than 5 belts were before that) that no one wanted to shoot 500 POSes to move them.

The whole point of renting is to make ISK off normally empty systems. Hence the "kill everything that moves" motive. You see, if you trespass, they might be a few hundred million short of their rent. That's a neat "system" they got there. High rent that MUST be earned, like having a job, in order to stay out there. If they don't rent out there, they won't be able to call themselves leet nullsec players. So into the hamster wheel of stupidity and ePeenery the neckbeards go...

This paragraph is as silly as CCPs idea that changing anomalies will create conflict lol (the didn't understand that people don't fight over ratting space, and still don't).

"kill everything that moves" (NBSI) exists because CCP made a video game with space ships and guns and outside of high sec nothing bad happens to you when you do it. There is not always some sinister ulterior motive for everything, sometimes people just do things because they are fun. Let go of the tinfoil.

You're exaggerating.

Nullsec was nowhere near in the state that it is now. There are only two major entities in all of nullsec at the moment.

There were over a dozen 7 years ago. Maybe more. There was plenty of room to spring up various places.

If you go back far enough, say 6 or 7 years ago, "small" groups of 50 - 100 actually did hold and keep sov.

Nullsec was better in those days.

The state of nullsec in it's current form should be considered an embarrassment.

There are only two major entities in all of nullsec at the moment.

Then will you join me in a movement to make all resources FINITE?

]BoB is going to take over all of 0.0 and everyone will quit any second now.[/url]

if by two you mean four, which is much the same as it has always been. Well, unless you mean actual alliances, in which case there are dozens, which is much the same as it has always been.

You're exaggerating.

Nullsec was nowhere near in the state that it is now. There are only two major entities in all of nullsec at the moment.

There were over a dozen 7 years ago. Maybe more. There was plenty of room to spring up various places.

But the fix is already in.

CCP is providing tools for guerilla warfare and subterfuge

Oh wait.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20070827.png

Yeah.....Reality is a bit different than your bizarre memories.

No they're not. It's just another thing added to the ever growing list of things CCP say they might possibly want to do sometime in future, which never actually happens.

By two I mean two. Not four.

Siphons were specifically added for this purpose - so yeah, it really is happening.

I'll take you up on that challenge.

This is a verite rendition map from august 2008, 6 years ago.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080818.png

this is the political map

http://i.imgur.com/Sr0W88o.jpg

At the time, CVA was allied against BOB as well, meaning the only "independent sov alliances" were the soon to be russian renters in the drone regions.

Not really, no. Siphons were added as a means of ninja:ing a bit of income, not as a warfare mechanism (since it doesn't particularly work for that purpose). For guerilla warfare in particular, they're pretty much completely useless.

Now I have heard it all.

Drastically reducing the income generated by a moon or even turning it off outright isn't a form of warfare?



Tippia, please.

Afrer the initial novelty wore off, Siphons seemed to fall into to disuse. I haven't seen any for weeks and weeks. I doubt if even 0.01% of the CFC's moons have a Siphon on them right now.

At best theyre a very very minor irritant.

Now I have heard it all.

Drastically reducing the income generated by a moon or even turning it off outright isn't a form of warfare?

If they were only a minor irritant there wouldn't be agreements to not use them against each other.

If they were anything other than minor irritants, they'd see a massive use from all kinds of entities that have no interest in such agreements because they'd like to hurt the moon holders in any way possible.

This would be true only if they had an incentive to do it.

Siphons suck for ninja-looting, they are better for harassment/destruction of income.

And for that incentive, the only parties with that incentive have mostly agreed to not do it to eachother.

GǪwhich they obviously do since they'd like to hurt the moon holders in any way possible.

Which is why they're not seeing much use: because they suck at the thing they're good for and slightly better at something that makes no difference for either side.

which are meaningless in a world of alts, and would be used en masse if they actually worked for what you imagine they work for. Which they don't. As shown by their lack of use. It's really that simple, you know.

Tippia logic is based on logic and actual usage patterns rather than rhetorical and conspiratorial questions.

But guys remember, it was 245 billion isk and you could build 20,000 interceptors, with the mins that were stolen. We should look in awe at those numbers. Apparently.

I personally laughed at the amount, but hey what do I know?