yeah Nerf jump drives ....


......Great idea until you need a market.

You're thinking about this in a one dimensional way. The formation of markets is still possible without the massive force projection problem. In fact, without the ability to jump across eve in sub ten minutes, you might see a reason for the construction of local markets and local production. NullSec alliances refuses to sever the hisec umbilical cord because it is so easy and so profitable for a few to jump stuff down. Welping a fleet doesn't matter much when you can just jump the replacements down the next day. This backbone is just another aspect of the force projection problem.

You're thinking about this in a one dimensional way. The formation of markets is still possible without the massive force projection problem. In fact, without the ability to jump across eve in sub ten minutes, you might see a reason for the construction of local markets and local production. NullSec alliances refuses to sever the hisec umbilical cord because it is so easy and so profitable for a few to jump stuff down. Welping a fleet doesn't matter much when you can just jump the replacements down the next day. This backbone is just another aspect of the force projection problem.

If you make it even more of a pain to live in nullsec than it is already, people won't just magically discover a market waiting there.

Given that the monetary rewards of highsec outweigh that of null already anyway, people will just leave.

That's called an inadequate solution.

The monetary rewards of highsec in no way shape or form trump those of null. It's just hilarious people drag that out.

I've lived in many null regions for about 4 years of my 10 year eve history (with 3 years being low sec and 3 being a bear... and probably a total of 4 years of inactivity spread across all of that).

I've always made mad bank in null.

No one is arguing that the individual upper bounds of null aren't higher. They are.

But they're inherently subtractive, whereas highsec is inherently multiplicative. So unless you're a day tripper or absurdly lucky, large groups of people can make more in highsec with less initial outlay and less trouble, and be far, far safer doing it.

with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?

it looks like you have 3 choices at the moment join cfc/rus join N3 or buy a wizards hat and join provi block.

while i admit my knowledge of everything going on in null is somewhat limited every 1 seams to say the same thing N3 while still got a lot of fight in them is on the back-foot and in full retreat that blue doughnut is getting closer and closer to being complete.

small scale pvp is getting harder and harder to find always seams to be a 30 man fleet getting dropped by a 100 man fleet, and if/when the blue doughnut is complete you may as well say large scale pvp will die as well.

yes its in the nature of sandboxes for people to group together and form massive coalitions but is this really healthy for null sec?

You're thinking about this in a one dimensional way. The formation of markets is still possible without the massive force projection problem. In fact, without the ability to jump across eve in sub ten minutes, you might see a reason for the construction of local markets and local production. NullSec alliances refuses to sever the hisec umbilical cord because it is so easy and so profitable for a few to jump stuff down. Welping a fleet doesn't matter much when you can just jump the replacements down the next day. This backbone is just another aspect of the force projection problem.

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But that's why people visit GD and not F&I, because no one is interested in real solutions, just bitching about other people.

Even if every player owned station in null had a million build slots; why build there when building in the safety of high and low sec is just a couple minutes away?

The only way to make that question answerable is to change NPC controlled manufacturing and research infrastructure to be inherently inferior to player controlled ones.

Yeah **** F&I CCP has NO interest in listening to it. They post up things after the Incursion mea culpa, but that is about it. Go read the Nestor thread, or HAC thread, or the Interceptor thread(s)

Hundreds of pages of feedback to basically get "yeah, well we are reading this, but we are going to make this live anyway to gather more data"

GTFO

Even if every player owned station in null had a million build slots; why build there when building in the safety of high and low sec is just a couple minutes away?

The only way to make that question answerable is to change NPC controlled manufacturing and research infrastructure to be inherently inferior to player controlled ones.

Even if every player owned station in null had a million build slots; why build there when building in the safety of high and low sec is just a couple minutes away?

...and watch the industrials scream, because most would be forced into POSs, POSs tend to get reinforced etc etc.

All discussed before.

Whatever the case is, there's a lot that people are very entrenched with at this point, so changing anything is going to be oceans of tears either way.

This is a good idea, it needs to be inferior but accessible, I think making it worse than the most terrible POS manufacturing module would be a good place.

ooo... another possibly terrible/great idea, inter-region jump points. no cyno across regional lines... or maybe only some not others.

everyone loves a good gatecamp

You can change that into something that might make a good idea. A structure required for inter region capital jumps. It adds a bit of strategy, where to place your beachhead, and maybe the start of multiple objectives for sov wars; instead of having tonnes of people piling into one system you spread them out to several to defend your jump structures. To keep quality of life for capital pilots have cyno beacons work as these for friendlies and have all lowsec systems not require it.

The problem is structure HP no one wants to grind through. The bigger entity will still have a better use of it.

You can change that into something that might make a good idea. A structure required for inter region capital jumps. It adds a bit of strategy, where to place your beachhead, and maybe the start of multiple objectives for sov wars; instead of having tonnes of people piling into one system you spread them out to several to defend your jump structures. To keep quality of life for capital pilots have cyno beacons work as these for friendlies and have all lowsec systems not require it.

The problem is structure HP no one wants to grind through. The bigger entity will still have a better use of it.

And there is the problem again. How much do you have to nerf high and low sec industry to make null industry attractive enough to forgo the safety of high and low sec that is only a few minutes away? It would have to be so bad that high sec industry would become a money pit with no hope of any kind of return. No one would bother building anything there due to how bad it would be. Essentially what we currently have except reversed.

I am sure most of you null guys will cheer with excitement because, "F anyone not playing the game the same as me!", but it doesn't fix the problem. It just moved it to another part of the game. The core issue remains - teleportation. There will be no point in building in high and low sec if null is just a few minutes away. You will NOT be able to make null industry attractive enough without destroying low and high sec.

Perhaps argue that between some regions theres spatial rifts that capships have trouble jumping over. Perhaps they wouldn't be permanent either, just switch around week to week at random causing breaks in cynochains (or at least they have to go around a bit).

Perhaps argue that between some regions theres spatial rifts that capships have trouble jumping over. Perhaps they wouldn't be permanent either, just switch around week to week at random causing breaks in cynochains (or at least they have to go around a bit).

I like the using planets or suns more i think. Just examples off the top of my head, not in love with any of it. Maybe add a spool down time after jump, invulnerable but still sitting... (none for black ops)

Anything to make space big again tbh.

I like the using planets or suns more i think. Just examples off the top of my head, not in love with any of it. Maybe add a spool down time after jump, invulnerable but still sitting... (none for black ops)

Anything to make space big again tbh.

I don't think anyone likes RNG and the structure idea gives people an objective, the attacker wants to keep it alive and the defender wants to blow it up. One of the problems that was hit in other threads is that the sov system should have multiple objectives to break up the blob warfare. I was thinking this structure could be part of that multiple objectives idea.

Space weather would be kind of cool though.

Feels pretty damn big when you have to set up the cyno chain.

I was about halfway through when the alliance put a chain up to go 5 jumps.........I was at it for about two hours, and what was going to have to happen was that I was going to have to light three cynos, and then burn the last leg with one......43 jumps and half of that a pretty gnarly area.

Go go alliance cyno chains, space is plenty big when you have to do the legwork.