What GÇ£lag mechanicsGÇ¥ are being GÇ£exploitedGÇ¥?

You have serious reading comprehension problems don't you? Key words: 'in the way it is currently done'. ANY limitation of the population is a cap. Other ways of limiting the population will be other ways of capping the population. 'The way it is currently done' refers to having players sit in space spamming jump. Because, you know, that is the issue the discussion in this thread is about.

The argument isn't about whether there should be a cap but about what state the waiting player's ship should be in while waiting for space to free up.

Wrong.

You use the tools we have, you do not ask CCP to make the game protect you from everyone else.

Because there is literally only one way of managing that cap, right? Don't worry, I get it. Once a mechanic is in the game it is absolutely sacrosanct. I mean, making suggestions to improve the management of technical limitations is just wrong. If it's already done one way it just always has to be done that way.

Because there is literally only one way of managing that cap, right? Don't worry, I get it. Once a mechanic is in the game it is absolutely sacrosanct. I mean, making suggestions to improve the management of technical limitations is just wrong. If it's already done one way it just always has to be done that way.

Click jump * NO * click * click * click * splat * wat * - to the user it's server side lag, regardless of the reality or the cause.

And while we're at it, lets go back to the days before TiDi because the mechanics of dealing with server limitations must never change!

And while we're at it, lets go back to the days before TiDi because the mechanics of dealing with server limitations must never change! You simply have to make the best of whatever the situation is right now! there are no alternatives ever.

Also, slowcats should never be changed because you should never ask CCP to change things.

And etc etc etc for every change anyone has ever suggested.

Pretty **** poor level of argument.

There's no argument. Special snowflakes want to be immune from ebil gankers, while everyone else is fine with them being at risk if they elect to sit still on a gate that isn't going to let them jump straight through.

Aren't you asking to be the special snowflake though?

The system works the same way everywhere else except for at certain times in this one particular system. All people here are asking for is that it work the same way or at least as close to as all the other systems.

Aren't you asking to be the special snowflake though?

The system works the same way everywhere else except for at certain times in this one particular system. All people here are asking for is that it work the same way or at least as close to as all the other systems.

But again, there is nothing special about the Jita gates. They work the same as all other gates. If you come across a locked system (which, admittedly, rarely happens on TQ) the exact same thing happens regardless of what the system is.

What they're asking for is that, in this particular case, things shouldn't work as normal GÇö that they should be afforded special protections because they can't be arsed to protect themselves and because they could be even less arsed to gather intel pre-emptively and not put themselves in the exposed position to begin with. They're asking to be protected as if they had left the system even though they haven't even begun to do so.

Aren't you asking to be the special snowflake though?

The system works the same way everywhere else except for at certain times in this one particular system. All people here are asking for is that it work the same way or at least as close to as all the other systems.

GǪi.e. using a cap. You're saying that limiting the population using a cap is not necessary. You then go on to contradict yourself by saying that Gǣno one is suggesting that a cap isn't necessaryGǥ.

SoGǪ Is it or is it not a necessary limitation? Does it or does it not maintain playability? If it's not capped the way it is now, how should it be capped? Also, do you even know what my preferred solution is?

No. Limiting the population through carrots and sticks is a different way (which, by the way, is also in use right now).

GǪwhich has nothing to do with limiting the population. It has to do with how jump gates work. I'm pretty astounded that you can't follow the discussion or even identify when you personally toss in red herrings.

Then you should probably not throw it in as a pointless digression from a discussion about why population caps are necessary and how they maintain playability.

B ... b ... but you must oppose a cap otherwise I will have made a fool of myself arguing against a strawman for four pages. Even if you say you don't you must! And if you weren't talking about that then you should have been and it's all your fault that I didn't read what you wrote properly (stamps foot)!

If you tank your ships and don't stuff billions into the hold then you will not be ganked.

You already have a large number of counters to gankers at your disposal while the likes of slowcat blobs have no counters at all for subcaps.

You want CCP to protect you rather than protecting yourself.

It's common sense, really. The pilot did everything right; a gate not allowing transit is a serverside problem and the player should not be held accountable for it.

They should still put up a system wide message that says that the gates are locked. Its kinda stupid you can't find out until you land on the gate, and some of the bigger ships that a lot of people take to Jita, (Freighters/JF's) and weaker ships (Haulers/Claoky Haulers) are counting on being able to jump that gate before people can scan them and nab them on the other side.

Instead they land and get bumped around as they try and warp off.

Ganking isn't an issue really, the fact there is no forewarning the system is "closed" is. You would think nav computers would be updated with real time information on whether or not customs have restricted travel in certain areas. If CCP can broadcast a criminal entering system CCP should be able to broadcast a closed gate when entering a system.

Well, if the player has warped to the gate pressing the jump button manually and can't get in because the server's overtaxed, he should be able to warp off without getting harmed regardless of gankers camping the gate.

It's common sense, really. The pilot did everything right; a gate not allowing transit is a serverside problem and the player should not be held accountable for it.

No, he didn't and yes, he should.

Let's see ... how does it go ..

Oh yes!

If you don't want to face slowcat blobs there are areas of space that are safe from them, you just don't want to use the tools CCP have given you.

Or you could fly different ships. Like the ones that can counter slowcats.

And so on and so forth.

You just want CCP to protect you rather than protecting yourself.

or

They should still put up a system wide message that says that the gates are locked. Its kinda stupid you can't find out until you land on the gate, and some of the bigger ships that a lot of people take to Jita, (Freighters/JF's) and weaker ships (Haulers/Claoky Haulers) are counting on being able to jump that gate before people can scan them and nab them on the other side.

Well, if the player has warped to the gate pressing the jump button manually and can't get in because the server's overtaxed, he should be able to warp off without getting harmed regardless of gankers camping the gate.

It's common sense, really. The pilot did everything right; a gate not allowing transit is a serverside problem and the player should not be held accountable for it.

If, however, they decide to stick around spamming the jump hotkey/button - thus causing more lag - that shield of invulnerability should be revoked.

Also, during times like these any fitted offensive mods should be forced into a green light state.

*Shrug*

The only problem with this is the false premise that you can't find out before you land on the gate. You can. People just choose not to. There is forewarning.

There is a massive difference between you refusing to use the tools available to you and it being impossible to counter slowcat fleets with subcaps.

Don't be stupid.

There is not forewarning without having to do stuff that you need not do on any other gate in the game.

Dear CCP, please save me from ~effort~, otherwise I might have to train common sense to 1.