This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button?

if the player is invulnerable can he also shoot other players?
"press jita gate"
"invulnerable"
"proceed to shoot everyone in the vicinity"

Don't worry concord will kill the gankers

It makes me think that it would be a better idea to go dock up somewhere nearby and wait until off-peak hours to get into Jita.

if the player is invulnerable can he also shoot other players?

I have not yet been killed at a Jita gate while waiting to get in though and do not know if it is really problem?

The gate malfunctioning and not transporting the ship is a game fault that then makes the ship vulnerable - and gankers knowing where this game fault happens a lot makes the fault easily exploitable.

A ship that has made it to the gate and activated it should be out safe and not risk being killed.

The gate malfunctioning and not transporting the ship is a game fault that then makes the ship vulnerable

Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.

Not everyone has the ability to come online at the off-peak hours?

"don't play the game you're paying to play!"

"don't play the game you're paying to play!"

You know, I feel your pain. Just imagine, though! What if there were a way to have your things moved around by another player when you don't have the time or capacity to do so, and have them insured by some form of collateral payment if the shipment fails?

That would be fantastic!

Going to F&I to suggest this ground breaking idea!

That's pretty much what OP wants to do. He wants to play Route 66 Online, where the Good Buddy Convoy always gets their shipment in on time.

What he's actually playing is EVE Online, where Jita Traffic Control cockblocks you, and loitering on the gate makes you fodder for people who want your stuff.

route 66 online can probably cater to the amount of people they have playing. eve quite clearly can't in this regard.

Indeed.

He should likely take his subscription dollars to them, then, shouldn't he?

That's a pretty silly suggestion. Why are you making it?

it wasn't a suggestion.

OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.

not really, telling some one to quit the game and go elsewhere when they point out how ****** the jita gates are during peak times isn't really that constructive, it just makes you look like a bit of a **** to be honest.

the situation is ****, and it does need looking at. however i guess telling people to go **** themselves is easier for all involved instead of addressing problems properly... seems to be the new theme as of late.

I always wondered why all people want to sell their items in Jita.

The market browser shows the complete Region, so why not sell at a Station in neighbour system?

Or at one of the other Trade Hubs like Dodixie, Hek, Amarr, etc. Even the prices to accomplish are better there.

That's cool. I'll look like a bit of a '****' and you can continue looking like a petulant child in the midst of a temper tantrum.

I haven't told anyone to quit playing. As an aside and to the contrary, I have now twice told OP how to play better. What I did do was suggest that his money may be better spent elsewhere if this game makes him so unhappy. The fact that he appears to be wanting to play a different game than this one leads me to the logical conclusion that he might be better served by playing that other game, whatever it happens to be.

it's not about playing better, though. that's the entire point that you seem to be missing.

he doesn't appear to want to play a different game at all, he simply wants consistency. he wants all stargates to work rather than having one that's basically a guessing game as to whether or not you can actually use it.

It IS consistent. He just doesn't want to acknowledge that. They all work the same way. When they hit system cap during Battle for Caldari Prime, it did the same thing.

It works the same way across the galaxy, it's not one, it's all of them.

And that means the solution is still the same. Go elsewhere.

no, it's not consistent. you never have to gamble with any other gate. caldari prime was given plenty of notice etc, jita is just "meh, take your luck".

Both are the results of players making the choice to be there. Just like with Caldari Prime, you know full well when you're going there that the possibility exists. By choosing to sell or buy there instead of, you know, one of the other 4 trade hubs, you have made your choice.

buying and selling has nothing to do with this.

Yeah, traders aren't a big part of Jita gate traffic at all, silly me.

no, they aren't. did you not read the other thread with ccp navigator?

chat and market transactions are handled by another bit of hardware. it's the people jumping in and out, you know the people not trading or spamming local that cause the server load that dictates the cap.

to be fair, there should be some way to know if jita is full other than having to try the gate.
no other gate is closed, let alone with no indication.

Is it Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday? If yes, Jita is full.

People haul stuff to Jita... to *not* sell it? Just to sit there and look at how pretty it is in their cargo bay?

but there are plenty of times on those days that i've got in just fine. so clearly you're wrong.

yeah if you'd like to be relevant to the discussion, that'd be great.

Ok.

The reason that the gates are locked is because lots of people jump in and out them. It's the highest trafficked system in the game.

The reason for that is because of trade.

The trading is the root cause of the gate locks.

That's it. If it bothers you, too damn bad. Go elsewhere, or deal with it like the rest of the autopiloting halfwits.

To further improve upon the admiral's point, use DotLan.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Jita/stats

An intelligent man can look at that, and figure out what Jita's peak times are. I've mentioned before, that if you play EVE Online and you don't use DotLan, then you stand a pretty good chance of having gone full ******.

to be fair, there should be some way to know if jita is full other than having to try the gate.
no other gate is closed, let alone with no indication.

not to mention there should be some kind of queue for the jita gate since having to spam the jump button to get in is ******* ******** in itself.

Jita lockout is an inconsistent mechanic. Someone can be doing all the "right" things to stop themselves getting ganked which works on every gate in the galaxy EXCEPT Jita.

They should put it up on one of those billboards nobody reads.

why does trying to improve the game bother you so much?

Ok.

The reason that the gates are locked is because lots of people jump in and out them. It's the highest trafficked system in the game.

The reason for that is because of trade.

The trading is the root cause of the gate locks.

That's it. If it bothers you, too damn bad. Go elsewhere, or deal with it like the rest of the autopiloting halfwits.

does dotlan tell me if the gate is closed? no.

There's nothing wrong with what's going on.

It's much the same as crying about TiDi. If there were a better solution, it would be there by now. That one, single system already uses 1/4th of their system reinforcement, do you expect more?

All this trying to justify not going elsewhere, truly baffling the lengths to which some will go to be lazy.

i'm well aware that this "solution" is the best we're going to get. i have no issue with the fact that it's closed. i have an issue with the fact that there's no way to determine if you're going to land on the gate and jump, or land on the gate with your thumb up your ass.

if you could tell which was going to happen, the terrible solution we're stuck with would be more tolerable. just because it's the only solution we have doesn't mean we have to put up with it being implemented in a god awful way.

You can get a pretty good idea of whether you will or not with some fairly basic tools.

If you want more than that, get devhacks.

The fact of the matter is, that if you choose Jita, that's a risk you get to deal with. And it certainly is not enough of a problem that we have to make autopiloting halfwits completely invincible because they can't be assed to click the gate button more than once.

but there are plenty of times on those days that i've got in just fine. so clearly you're wrong.

autopiloting has nothing to do with this -.-

you shouldn't even have to click the gate button more than once

Being able to get in isn't the same as it being full. People are always jumping out / logging off, so a little patience and you can get in no matter how busy it is.

yeah but this has nothing to do with patience, this is the fact that you can't tell if jumping to the jita gate is going to end badly for you or not.

sitting at the gate and giving yourself RSI isn't a reason why a bad system shouldn't be improved upon.

i don't really get why people are so upset when people want to improve areas of the game but if you guys want to carry on playing the game in it's current state; go ahead and actually play the game instead of reading such horrific suggestions like making things suck less!

autopiloting has nothing to do with this -.-

you shouldn't even have to click the gate button more than once, giving yourself RSI shouldn't be a requirement of entering jita. this is my entire point, the way the solution has been implemented could be vastly improved.

sure it's not worth the time or effort to actually fix it, but that doesn't change that it's **** and open to improvement.

You can't tell if undocking is going to end badly for you or not, either. Let's nerf that. Idc how.

Also, you don't want to improve the game. You want to buff your playstyle, at the expense of someone else's. At least that's what the OP wants, anyway.

At least have the moral courage to call a spade a spade.

If people just stopped jumping into and out of Jita, there would be no problem. But good luck trying to get anyone to stop doing it, They will, like you, demand changes and wonder why they can't get in. Then, in all their intellectual glory, they'll come here and pound their impotent fists on the table because it's got to be CCP's fault.

wanting gates to actually work isn't a buff or nerf to anyone's play style.

Good news: they already work.

yes you can tell if it's going to end badly; undock and dock up before the invulnerability timer runs out.... that was a bad example on your part.

wanting gates to actually work isn't a buff or nerf to anyone's play style.

i have been calling a spade a spade; the system to get in to jita is ******* horrible and could easily be improved.

clicked jump on the jita gate.
didn't jump me in to jita.

pretty sure that's the very definition of "not working".

clicked jump on the jita gate.
didn't jump me in to jita.

pretty sure that's the very definition of "not working".

You can't really be this dense...

Do you not understand why you didn't jump?

clicked jump on the jita gate.
didn't jump me in to jita.

Working as intended.

aaand we're back to people making useless comments because apparently suggesting improvements is such an abhorred passtime.

You're not suggesting an improvement. Neither is the OP.

doesn't change the fact that the way jumping in to jita is handled is terrible and open to improvement.

aaand we're back to people making useless comments because apparently suggesting improvements is such an abhorred passtime.

i have, but you've decided to ignore it and make dumb comments v0v

Should we have this for every system or just Jita?

Your first post was you claiming that you should be able to find out with certainty whether or not you would be able to jump, before you got on the same grid as the gate.

Which is, again, not an improvement. It's just asinine to suggest that you should get such absolute knowledge without having to do anything for it.

Other than that, all you've done is white knight for the OP, who is undoubtedly a troll. Agreeing with him is, again, not an improvement to the game. It's suggesting a buff to the OP's playstyle at the expense of others.

Doesn't change the fact that the gates are working GÇö as intended, and as expected GÇö and that any claim otherwise is wilfully ignorant.

every system, obviously. the thing we're fixing isn't "the jita gate" it's "the solution we apply to full systems".

every system, obviously. the thing we're fixing isn't "the jita gate" it's "the solution we apply to full systems".

So, you're suggesting that, before anyone, anywhere, warps to any gate, that the client pings the server to see if the gate is locked or not? And that this information be available on demand, yes?

If so, why not just put the entire game into 10% TiDi and call it a day, because that would triple the server load instantly. You are literally asking CCP to DDOS themselves.

This is why people with "suggestions" need to shut the **** up. Because they can't see past their own nose, see past their cute little problem into how the game really works, and why.

Do you have any idea how much additional processing on single cores a query like that would take?

You're asking CCP to move mountains with a spoon.

And the reason you're asking them to do so is because you CBA to go somewhere else.

I've never seen anything so ill conceived and dumb.

i haven't claimed once that the system isn't working as intended.

clicked jump on the jita gate.
didn't jump me in to jita.

pretty sure that's the very definition of "not working".

no, i've just suggested that you should be able to tell if the gate you're trying to go through is closed or not.

no, i've just suggested that you should be able to tell if the gate you're trying to go through is closed or not. i haven't made a single comment on how that should take place.

if that's the terrible design you'd give it, then yeah please shut up with your terrible ideas.

Yes you have. Multiple times.

You pretty much already can.

no, i've just suggested that you should be able to tell if the gate you're trying to go through is closed or not.

What's wrong with considering new ways to fix it as opposed to hardware upgrades?

You've specifically said that you want this information before you get on the same grid as the gate.

Or are you just suggesting they wave their magic wands and make it so that isn't a massive drag on the server? I mean, if your suggestion has merit and you aren't just stomping your foot with your lower lip sticking out, then you have a concrete idea, right?

This mechanic already exists. If you warp to the Jita gate in Perimeter and the Jita system is full, you get a popup that says, "Jump Prohibited" because the system is full.

Working as intended. I'm so glad we got that sorted.

the jump button not working. and jita not letting you in because it's full and that's an intended effect are two different things.

EVE Online is not a twitch based game. It's slower, more thoughtful and requires players to plan ahead. You need knowledge based intelligence to survive and prosper in this game. This means scouting via the starmap, checking intel channels and knowing what your choke points are when hauling.

Why is "Knowing that Jita is a heavily travelled, reinforced node with problems during US peak times over the 4 day weekend period" any different to using the starmap, checking intel channels and generally knowing what is going on in the game?

i'm not suggesting they do anything. i'm suggesting knowing if a gate is open or not, is a better system than "warp to the gate and flip a coin" at current.

i'm not suggesting they do anything. i'm suggesting knowing if a gate is open or not, is a better system than "warp to the gate and flip a coin" at current.

So claiming that the system that lets you jump in isn't working as intended isn't the same as claiming that the system isn't working as intended?

Yes you have. Multiple times. Stop lying. You can also stop lying about the need for your supposed solution GÇö it's already in the game.

considering your fix of the problem, is the problem, i see you've read and understood the thread.

That doesn't justify dying on gates due to lag.

Even if you know it's there, traders, haulers and manufacturers in particular NEED to get in and out.

i haven't, saying i did doesn't change that fact.

You're wrong, because any feasible way for such a thing to exist, would cause more problems than it solves.

And since it would be trying to solve something that isn't actually a problem (autopiloting afk morons getting ganked on a locked gate), then it's not even worth consideration.

I honestly consider it insulting that Jita is wasting one of the cores that could be used for fleet fights. One of those is a big new player and recruitment draw. One of them is utterly boring.

So here's my solution to your "problem". Take Jita off the supernode entirely, FORCE people to shop elsewhere, and spread things around highsec.

Best part is, it's more technologically feasible than anything you're saying in this thread.

That doesn't justify dying on gates due to lag.

Even if you know it's there, traders, haulers and manufacturers in particular NEED to get in and out.

Bearing in mind GMs treat empire lag losses that are server based differently to combat losses, I'm pretty sure people are petitioning and probably getting a few reimbursed. It's not an invalid argument.

My fix for the problem is going somewhere else. The people in Jita are the problem, not the gates. We've been over this.

however the system we have now is still terrible and could be improved.

How is it terrible that we have all the information we need at our fingertip; that it's trivially easy to get in even during congested times; that we have plenty of functionality that entirely removes the need to get in and out?

read the original post.

read the original post.

Nothing in the original post has merit.

Literally nothing.

actually the hardware running the game isn't sufficient for the amount of players the game has is the problem.

So, you're suggesting that, before anyone, anywhere, warps to any gate, that the client pings the server to see if the gate is locked or not? And that this information be available on demand, yes?

So it's not actually terrible at all then GÇö the problem is that people because they're sloppy, which is as it should be. Well, that's sorted, I suppose.

That doesn't justify dying on gates due to lag.

Even if you know it's there, traders, haulers and manufacturers in particular NEED to get in and out.

Bearing in mind GMs treat empire lag losses that are server based differently to combat losses, I'm pretty sure people are petitioning and probably getting a few reimbursed. It's not an invalid argument.

i can't actually be bothered to type a proper response

i can't actually be bothered to type a proper response since you refuse to even read, let alone type a proper response.

Why? This isn't Ender's Game. The enemy gate is not down.

GǪexcept that the gate is not malfunctioning and it is not a game fault. *snip*

I noticed.
I gave you a proper response anyway, since I'm a kind and gentle person like that.

The OP was about the implementation of a hideously idiotic gamebreaker just to cover for the fact that the OP had been sloppy and failed to use the information and mechanics at his disposal. This is, of course, not a problem, but rather the way it should be. Less sloppiness on hiss part would have resulted in less death.

So instead you make another childish, petulant reply. Excellent work.

And the transition is what should happen when you activate the gate.

If the server could handle it, there would be no locked gate. Therefore the locked gate is a result of the game's fault to handle the load.

i can't give a reply to some one who isn't even able to discuss the topic and would rather have a monologue with themselves.

that's not what the op was about at all.

most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.
[GǪ]
This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)

No idea what Ender's game is, but when you transition system in Eve you can't be shot. And the transition is what should happen when you activate the gate.

It is not an intended design of the gate that it doesn't work

Wrong. The locked gate is a result of the players knowing the limitations of the game's ability to handle the load and then ignoring those limitations.

GǪbut that's not what we're discussing either.

Not really, but if they feel they do, they can get in and out very easily.

So you didn't read it, I take it. Let me quote it for you:SoGǪ the OP was about the implementation of a hideously idiotic gamebreaker

Hey guys,

most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.

This makes the Jita gate more dangerous than a lowsec gate to die on, while you should be on the safest part beeing in 1.0 space.

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)

I'm talking about Blockade Runners, Covert Ops, T3's.

fondled on the gate.

That's not a suitable solution to the issue.

no, he quite clearly states that the issue is getting stuck on a closed gate.

I think it is.

If we can only play a limited game on a weekend, we should rightly question how things can be improved, and arguing that players need to sharpen up simply isn't fair.

Are you suggesting that the sensible player will not play on a weekend at the core trading hub of the game?

I think it is. You're attempting to justify a system that is currently so lagged out on a weekend it takes time to even log alts into system.

Why shouldn't we challenge CCP as to why the game we play is effectively broken to an unplayable degree at peak times?

no, he quite clearly states that the issue is getting stuck on a closed gate.

GǪwhich is an issue that only arises out of sloppiness. To solve this non-issue, he suggests the implementation of a hideously idiotic gamebreaker.

Except that he's not stuck. He could leave and try again later. If he sits there long enough to get ganked, it's his own fault.

no, that's not how it arises, at all.

unless you warp instantly; you're stuck for an amount of time. anyone with half a brain needs but a few seconds to take advantage of that. an advantage that they wouldn't have if you'd have jumped though instead of being stuck with a silly pop up.

no, that's not how it arises, at all.

unless you warp instantly; you're stuck for an amount of time. anyone with half a brain needs but a few seconds to take advantage of that. an advantage that they wouldn't have if you'd have jumped though instead of being stuck with a silly pop up.

Does it arise through voodoo, Dave?

Do we hold a dark ritual and summon the avatar of Gatethulhu to strike down innocent industrialists?

So how does anyone get stuck on the gate if it he doesn't ignore all the signs showing that it would happen and fails to use the numerous mechanics to work around it? It's all there. There is no reason to get stuck anywhere other than pure sloppiness.

Anyone with the other half of the brain doesn't go to Jita on a Sunday and expect instant entry.

that's kinda the cause of the issue, until you're at the gate you can't tell if it's going to let you in or not as the notification that it's closed only pops up when you're at the gate....

i agree. however back to what i said about 5 pages ago; that doesn't mean we can't improve the system that is already there.

Sure you can. Just look at the map and act accordingly. Just scan the gate and act accordingly. Just ask in local and act accordingly. Hell, just look in local and act accordingly. If we add in the gankers, just check your online list and act accordingly.

Or (to be really creative) skip going into Jita altogether and use all the mechanics in place to do what you need to do at a distance.

Just don't be sloppy and just blindly warp to the gate because that sloppiness is the only reason you'll ever get stuck there.

well no, because that doesn't tell you if the gate is open or not.

We already CAN improve the system. Stop going to Jita. If more people stop going to Jita, Jita will stop sucking, will stop being capped, will stop being locked.

You have the power Dave Stark - go forth now and do long division!

It tells you more than enough not to be stuck on the gate. GÇ£ProblemGÇ¥ solved. Solution: don't be sloppy.

except, not going to jita isn't improving things at all.

if ccp just put jita on a better server with more hamsters jita will stop sucking, being capped, and being locked. people shouldn't have to avoid parts of the game because the game can't support it's population.

no, it doesn't. as i just pointed out.

except, not going to jita isn't improving things at all.

There isn't a better server Dave. Even if there were, we would just hit the cap again and you'd be back here bitching about it again. Welcome to Uselessness - Population: Dave Stark's solution.

And people don't have to avoid parts of the game. They can still go to Jita but they have to account for the cap. If they are not accounting for the cap then they are, in the words of Tippia, just being sloppy.

There isn't a better server Dave. Even if there were, we would just hit the cap again and you'd be back here bitching about it again. Welcome to Uselessness - Population: Dave Stark's solution.

And people don't have to avoid parts of the game. They can still go to Jita but they have to account for the cap. If they are not accounting for the cap then they are, in the words of Tippia, just being sloppy.

Sure it does, unless you're sloppy. You just gave lots of excuses for refusing to use the many many tools at your disposal.

Stop being obstinate and put in some effort, and the GÇ£problemGÇ¥ goes away entirely.

GǪaside from improving the ability to get goods in and out of Jita.

yeah, you can't get things in and out of jita if you aren't there to do it.

Of course you can. Don't tell me you're that ignorant of game mechanicsGǪ please!

explain to me, how you can get things in and out of jita without being in jita. please, enlighten me as to how i would do that.

Like so or so, according to need.

no they don't have to; but that's what you're telling them to do. you can account for the cap all you want, but when you can't tell when the gate is open or closed you're going to get stuck on it as the OP pointed out. i mean, i just opened jita local and my star map. the starmap said it had less than 2k players but i looked at local and saw 2130. that means the gate will be closed as the cap is 2125 (iirc). that's not me being sloppy, that's the very simple fact that you can't calculate if the gate is locked or not.

How so, when there's no real lag involved? There's little to none in Jita and definitely none in the system where the OP's supposed problems manifest themselves.

It seems entirely fair that people should apply some intelligence to solve their problems, especially when it will so easily deal with this particular one rather than sit around slack-jawed and boggle at how their inactivity leads to all kinds of undesirable outcomes.

Because it's not broken. It's not unplayable.

OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.

+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.

gankers can go **** themselves.

no, i asked how YOU move things if you're not in jita

Like so or so, according to need.

GǪand I showed you: like so or so, according to need.

This lets you get things in and out of Jita without being in Jita. Your refusal to use the mechanics at hand is your problem, not a problem with the game.

Then always assume that on the weekends, during primetime, the gates will be locked ALWAYS. Because they are locked ALWAYS.

It's no different than assuming there is a gate camp on the other side of the gate into LowSec. So you act accordingly.
It's no different than assuming there is an Interdiction Bubble at that gate in Null. So you act accordingly.

ALWAYS assume that on the weekends, during American and European primetime, those gates are going to be locked and act accordingly. Thus is the problem solved.

No fancy new hardware, no more hamsters, no voodoo. Just smart assumptions.

no, you giving me an answer to a question i didn't ask isn't me refusing to do anything.

you're just wrong; it's not easier for you to move things if you're not in jita

Those of you arguing players are at fault here are quite literally apologising on CCP's behalf for overloaded servers and hardware and not only blaming players but curtailing any debate as to how the problem can be resolved. And I seriously doubt many of you even undock!

they aren't always locked though.

Tank your ships and dont stuff them full of plunder. We have deep space trasports for this very thing.

I have someone else do it because Contracting is a thing.

I was enjoying hauling (Small, valuable cargos using some form of blockade running) as my original, starting EVE career until I learned of the likes of Push and the Frogs. It's just so much cheaper and easier to offload the risk to them and to simply focus on other things. There's a reason people specialise in different areas and I'd much rather pay somebody for their speciality than try to do what they do as well as what I currently do.

As opposed to suggesting invulnerability for people who can't be bothered to stay away from Jita due to some imagined, compulsory, and player driven reason.

As opposed to suggesting trucker tags so ONLY transports and freighters are allowed to enter these player created hubs.

Reinforcing adjacent systems/reviewing the regions they are in and promoting constellationwide chat channels might help.

Yeah, let's take more nodes away from fleet fights.

I sense autopilot was involved, somehow.

What about a pop-up that Jita is at capacity when you initiate warp to a Jita gate?

unless you warp instantly; you're stuck for an amount of time. anyone with half a brain needs but a few seconds to take advantage of that.

Get a better server

Well, I didn't say they were sensible suggestions :P
If it's in the interest of the wider playerbase who access Jita, maybe it's justifiable. Would blobbers even notice an extra 5% tidi?

While having this choise, not beeing able to get targetted?

GǪand that's where your idea goes completely off the rails. The other two options are already there. There is no reason why you should not be a target if you choose to sit around in space.

If you don't want to be a target, don't hang around gates where gankers are prone to look for targets. This holds true universally.

Here is some recommended reading. Pay special attention to the posts from CCP Explorer.

The only solution is for people to stop jumping into and out of Jita.

to be fair, there should be some way to know if jita is full other than having to try the gate.
no other gate is closed, let alone with no indication.

not to mention there should be some kind of queue for the jita gate since having to spam the jump button to get in is ******* ******** in itself.

Whilst the info is useful, I've seen it and for some reason the fact that the system is capped at 2175 with massive numbers of inert people in station who apparently affect the system cap but not the node seems contradictory. But anyway, no-one contradicts CCP eh.

But... it's so obvious, why didn't anyone mention this earlier.

Here is some recommended reading. Pay special attention to the posts from CCP Explorer.

That's a killer read. I just clicked through CCP Explorer's posts. He explains it all fairly well.

OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.

+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.

gankers can go **** themselves.

Too bad this briliant plan will never go into action, because those gankers you would have **** themselves just happen to include the people who run this game...

It amazes me how many people do not realize that the biggest troll and scammer of eve is CCP themeselves. CCP calls it emergent gameplay, and sitting around on a locked gate facilitates a situation where one invites others to emerge their gameplay upon yours.

Tell me, what is so hard with fitting a tank to your ship and not stuffing billions in the hold?

If I go shopping to my local supermarket on a Saturday lunchtime the place is packed out with people and I can't find a place to park. There are three solutions:

1: Shop elsewhere
2: Don't go there at lunchtime on a Saturday
3: Whine at the supermarket to make the building larger and rebuild the carpark.

Only 2 of those are sensible.

You could use that parking on the other side, just across the road. But that would require effort.

Also, OP got killed in an Anathema worth 800m .

Sans cloak? WTF?

Hey guys,

most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.

This makes the Jita gate more dangerous than a lowsec gate to die on, while you should be on the safest part beeing in 1.0 space.

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)

I'm talking about Blockade Runners, Covert Ops, T3's.