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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:10:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Reinforcing adjacent systems/reviewing the regions they are in and promoting constellationwide chat channels might help. Yeah, let's take more nodes away from fleet fights.  Well, I didn't say they were sensible suggestions :P If it's in the interest of the wider playerbase who access Jita, maybe it's justifiable. Would blobbers even notice an extra 5% tidi? 
I'd ask you whether it was a big fleet fight that brought us a few thousand new players, or whether they joined so they could go to Jita. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1236
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:10:00 -
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I'm not quoting all of that.
Here is some recommended reading. Pay special attention to the posts from CCP Explorer.
The two example solutions were solutions given in this thread.
Other examples in the "recommended reading" thread of solutions is kicking spammers out of Jita.
None of which solves the issue.
This issue is no different than the rage that went up over HED-GP.
The hardware is doing what it's supposed to do. It is doing what it has always done. The software is also doing what it's supposed to do and what it has always done.
The variable that you seem complicit in ignoring is the players. So certainly we should not ask them to do something different right? Instead, CCP needs to make "a variety of tweaks".
Reinforcing neighboring systems does not change the cap in Jita. All that means is that you'll be able to have more people in New Caldari and Perimeter waiting to jump into Jita.
Promoting a constellation chat channel (that already exists) does not change the cap in Jita. All that does is encourage the spammers buying PLEX for 6.5m ISK to spread their love all over Kimotoro.
Docked players are not contributing to the server load until they undock OR logoff. That isn't going to work either.
The only solution is for people to stop jumping into and out of Jita. It will also help if they do not dock or undock in Jita or log on or log off in Jita. Those actions, and any other action that involves a session change, are the drivers of the server load. The cap of 2175 is designed to prevent TiDi from occurring in Jita.
Would 50% or higher TiDi be an acceptable "fix" rather than encouraging players to use their intellect and go somewhere else or pick a different time to visit Jita? "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19581
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:14:00 -
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drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:While having this choise, not beeing able to get targetted? GǪand that's where your idea goes completely off the rails. The other two options are already there. There is no reason why you should not be a target if you choose to sit around in space.
If you don't want to be a target, don't hang around gates where gankers are prone to look for targets. This holds true universally. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1236
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:While having this choise, not beeing able to get targetted? GǪand that's where your idea goes completely off the rails. The other two options are already there. There is no reason why you should not be a target if you choose to sit around in space. If you don't want to be a target, don't hang around gates where gankers are prone to look for targets. This holds true universally.
But I have to get into Jita Tippia!!! Why can't CCP just let me into Jita!!! It's broke Tippia!!! JITA!!!! "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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Marsha Mallow
66
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:25:00 -
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Whilst the info is useful, I've seen it and for some reason the fact that the system is capped at 2175 with massive numbers of inert people in station who apparently affect the system cap but not the node seems contradictory. But anyway, no-one contradicts CCP eh.
Kimmi Chan wrote:The only solution is for people to stop jumping into and out of Jita. But... it's so obvious, why didn't anyone mention this earlier. 
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1231
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:28:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:to be fair, there should be some way to know if jita is full other than having to try the gate. no other gate is closed, let alone with no indication.
not to mention there should be some kind of queue for the jita gate since having to spam the jump button to get in is ******* ******** in itself. i hate you for this post  The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1238
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:37:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Whilst the info is useful, I've seen it and for some reason the fact that the system is capped at 2175 with massive numbers of inert people in station who apparently affect the system cap but not the node seems contradictory. But anyway, no-one contradicts CCP eh.
Only people who do not understand or that choose to ignore the limitations of the server infrastructure and continue to suggest a "variety of tweaks".
Marsha Mallow wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:The only solution is for people to stop jumping into and out of Jita. But... it's so obvious, why didn't anyone mention this earlier. 
Many people have. Unfortunately, there are people who just ignore this sound advice and suggest a "variety of tweaks" that don't solve the root cause*.
*The root cause is too many people jumping into and out of Jita.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
49
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:47:00 -
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A) Jita is full a lot
thus if in expensive loot pi+¦ata ..........
B) Go through Maurasi, or Ikuchi. |

Ai Shun
1064
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:49:00 -
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That's a killer read. I just clicked through CCP Explorer's posts. He explains it all fairly well.
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace Forsaken Asylum
1535
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:49:00 -
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The problem is not Jita, in the same way that lag in fleet battles is not the fleet battle itself.
It's the fact that as the game gets larger, and more people pile into high activity areas, like Jita or a fleet battle, that CCP still hasn't realized how much farther ahead of the growth curve they need to be to keep performance UP as more and more people participate in "x".
Sadly, we've still got TIDI popping up all over Hell's Half Acre for no goddamn reason at all... so really, nothing will change about that, Jita or anything else.
Such is life with the entire game on one server and all players in one "realm".
Drink more, watch TV... play other games.
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Bedwyr McNobbler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:51:00 -
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If I go shopping to my local supermarket on a Saturday lunchtime the place is packed out with people and I can't find a place to park. There are three solutions:
1: Shop elsewhere 2: Don't go there at lunchtime on a Saturday 3: Whine at the supermarket to make the building larger and rebuild the carpark.
Only 2 of those are sensible.
If I go to Jita on a Saturday lunchtime the place is packed out with people and I can't get through the jumpgate. There are three solutions:
1: Trade elsewhere 2: Don't go there at lunchtime on a Saturday 3: Whine at CCP to make the server larger and rebuild the jumpgate system.
Only 2 of those are sensible.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1239
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:59:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:That's a killer read. I just clicked through CCP Explorer's posts. He explains it all fairly well.
Also important to note that he is Caldari. He knows some things about efficiency.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
6
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:04:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.
+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.
gankers can go **** themselves.
Too bad this briliant plan will never go into action, because those gankers you would have **** themselves just happen to include the people who run this game...
It amazes me how many people do not realize that the biggest troll and scammer of eve is CCP themeselves. CCP calls it emergent gameplay, and sitting around on a locked gate facilitates a situation where one invites others to emerge their gameplay upon yours. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10162
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:11:00 -
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Billy Sastard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.
+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.
gankers can go **** themselves. Too bad this briliant plan will never go into action, because those gankers you would have **** themselves just happen to include the people who run this game... It amazes me how many people do not realize that the biggest troll and scammer of eve is CCP themeselves. CCP calls it emergent gameplay, and sitting around on a locked gate facilitates a situation where one invites others to emerge their gameplay upon yours.
Tell me, what is so hard with fitting a tank to your ship and not stuffing billions in the hold? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19585
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tell me, what is so hard with fitting a tank to your ship and not stuffing billions in the hold? You have to admit, ctrl- and shift-clicking items to only select a few of them (and deciding which to pick) is a lot of work compared to just dragging everything to your cargo hold. 
GǪand let's not even start with the whole having to open an entire fitting window business! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
639
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:20:00 -
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Bedwyr McNobbler wrote:If I go shopping to my local supermarket on a Saturday lunchtime the place is packed out with people and I can't find a place to park. There are three solutions:
1: Shop elsewhere 2: Don't go there at lunchtime on a Saturday 3: Whine at the supermarket to make the building larger and rebuild the carpark.
Only 2 of those are sensible.
You could use that parking on the other side, just across the road. But that would require effort.
Also, OP got killed in an Anathema worth 800m . Remove insurance. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1241
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:22:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Bedwyr McNobbler wrote:If I go shopping to my local supermarket on a Saturday lunchtime the place is packed out with people and I can't find a place to park. There are three solutions:
1: Shop elsewhere 2: Don't go there at lunchtime on a Saturday 3: Whine at the supermarket to make the building larger and rebuild the carpark.
Only 2 of those are sensible.
You could use that parking on the other side, just across the road. But that would require effort. Also, OP got killed in an Anathema worth 800m  .
Sans cloak? WTF?
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
639
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:29:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Bedwyr McNobbler wrote:If I go shopping to my local supermarket on a Saturday lunchtime the place is packed out with people and I can't find a place to park. There are three solutions:
1: Shop elsewhere 2: Don't go there at lunchtime on a Saturday 3: Whine at the supermarket to make the building larger and rebuild the carpark.
Only 2 of those are sensible.
You could use that parking on the other side, just across the road. But that would require effort. Also, OP got killed in an Anathema worth 800m  . Sans cloak? WTF? Sure, he had one. But how do you want to cloak on a gate in Perimeter? The only way is not to be there in the first place. But ofc, those one or two additional jumps are too much effort after getting out of your wh . Remove insurance. |

Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:40:00 -
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It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report. Awesome design yeah? If RL was as f'd up as EVE we would be living in the 1700's still. |

sniggwaffles
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:40:00 -
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drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:Hey guys,
most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.
This makes the Jita gate more dangerous than a lowsec gate to die on, while you should be on the safest part beeing in 1.0 space.
This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)
I'm talking about Blockade Runners, Covert Ops, T3's.
lol, no. |

45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
48
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:48:00 -
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drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:Hey guys,
most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.
This makes the Jita gate more dangerous than a lowsec gate to die on, while you should be on the safest part beeing in 1.0 space.
This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)
I'm talking about Blockade Runners, Covert Ops, T3's.
You might not to be able to get into Jita'h as the goons wants to Burn Jita'h 3 because of a silly name change from Jita to Jita'h.
So there might not be a quite period at all when they are camping Jita'h 4-4 full time until there demands are met.
And that could go for all of the trade hubs.
That's Goons coming to a trade hub near you   I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:49:00 -
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What would be really amusing is if a ganker corp were actually big enough to close the gate themselves by having a few hundred players jump to Jita based jump clones.
- scouts reveal big ISK blinged up ship or freighter approaches Jita - 200 people jump clone in and close gate - 'nado away - profit
Needless to say any bluesec alliance could close Jita anytime they wanted just by having enough alts base jump clones there :D |

Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
6
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Billy Sastard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.
+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.
gankers can go **** themselves. Too bad this briliant plan will never go into action, because those gankers you would have **** themselves just happen to include the people who run this game... It amazes me how many people do not realize that the biggest troll and scammer of eve is CCP themeselves. CCP calls it emergent gameplay, and sitting around on a locked gate facilitates a situation where one invites others to emerge their gameplay upon yours. Tell me, what is so hard with fitting a tank to your ship and not stuffing billions in the hold?
Nothing about this is hard at all. In case it is hard to tell by my previous post, I am quite happy with the situation as it currently exists. I guess I just fail at sarcasm on the interwebs. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10163
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:17:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:What would be really amusing is if a ganker corp were actually big enough to close the gate themselves by having a few hundred players jump to Jita based jump clones.
- scouts reveal big ISK blinged up ship or freighter approaches Jita - 200 people jump clone in and close gate - 'nado away - profit
Needless to say any bluesec alliance could close Jita anytime they wanted just by having enough alts base jump clones there :D
Highsec scrubs lockdown jita for us.
I see nobody has yet to address the point that its very very easy to avoid being ganked even while sitting on a closed gate. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19586
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:23:00 -
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Yosef Brinalle wrote:It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report. Have you tried getting one, or have you just been flying around expecting to be spoon-fed with it?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1241
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:27:00 -
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drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I sense autopilot was involved, somehow. Nope, no autopilot was involved, it was all done manual. I was hauling some too expensive stuff to autopilot, and I came from WHspace
It's hard to lose a pod in HighSec especially when you're not auto-piloting AFK.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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Oblivion King
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:44:00 -
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People would rather CCP fix the game than they go to another trade hub and start selling buying **** there
NEWSFLASH: that's how jita got popular mabye if most of you stopped complaining and started going to other trade hubs then those will be more popular???? "Oh but I can't do it alone" well you can ******* start!!
it;s like everyone forgets how things come to be, they didn't magically appear! |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
297
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:45:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I sense autopilot was involved, somehow. Nope, no autopilot was involved, it was all done manual. I was hauling some too expensive stuff to autopilot, and I came from WHspace It's hard to lose a pod in HighSec especially when you're not auto-piloting AFK.
generally if you do, lag was involved |

Oblivion King
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:46:00 -
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Does anyone else think its ridiculous how this thread even got to 11 pages??? |

Ai Shun
1066
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:57:00 -
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Yosef Brinalle wrote:It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report. Awesome design yeah? If RL was as f'd up as EVE we would be living in the 1700's still.
Oh dear. I think you broke several rules of the internet by attempting a RL analogy. Be you a denizen of the United States of America or not, one would expect that you have some general knowledge about the world and events within it. Given that you are aware of devices such as radio, internet and have a seemingly more than cursory interest in ski reports I'm going to take a stab and guess that you're at least moderately connected to the world and know something about it. So, either you're from the United States and would know about Black Friday or you're from Europe and frequently laugh at the "Americans" for their fun on Black Friday...
Now, with all that pre-amble.
Would you expect a Walmart to be busy on Black Friday?
(Not being from the United States, I hope I've picked the day correctly. To the best of my awareness Black Friday is the day when some people queue up outside stores for hours on end in darkness, waiting to rush in, crush others and get a 20% discount of some mindless consumer product they do not require)
If you answered yes, then you know what to expect over a weekend with Jita and can plan your life, much like having had a report of snow and having to work around that, accordingly. |
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