No - people don't take every precaution available. That is why they get ganked (successfully).

If you get ganked in new caldari or perimeter on a jita gate you've already failed at "taking every precaution".

The only way to take every precaution is to not go to Jita during peak hours. That's absurd.

The gates shouldn't be gank havens like that even if there were 500 options to jump through.

It is purely a hardware limitation.

What if I get ganked on one of the other gates? The only way to take every precaution is to not go to Jita during peak hours. That's absurd.

This is beyond the point anyways. The gates shouldn't be gank havens like that even if there were 500 options to jump through. The only reason you get stuck outside the gate is because the servers cannot handle the load of you jumping into the system. It is purely a hardware limitation. The mechanic was designed solely to deal with server lag, and without the increased server load the mechanic allows you to jump through safely every time.

The ganking we see is simply a repercussion of the design and does not at all reflect it's actual intention. Considering without the hardware limitation you are allowed to jump a gate every single time without exception, the most reasonable assumption becomes that the ganking outside of locked Jita gates is an unintended consequence of an entirely separate game mechanic.

What if I get ganked on one of the other gates? The only way to take every precaution is to not go to Jita during peak hours. That's absurd.

This is beyond the point anyways. The gates shouldn't be gank havens like that even if there were 500 options to jump through. The only reason you get stuck outside the gate is because the servers cannot handle the load of you jumping into the system. It is purely a hardware limitation. The mechanic was designed solely to deal with server lag, and without the increased server load the mechanic allows you to jump through safely every time.

The ganking we see is simply a repercussion of the design and does not at all reflect it's actual intention. Considering without the hardware limitation you are allowed to jump a gate every single time without exception, the most reasonable assumption becomes that the ganking outside of locked Jita gates is an unintended consequence of an entirely separate game mechanic.

What if I get ganked on one of the other gates? The only way to take every precaution is to not go to Jita during peak hours. That's absurd.

Dont be a gank target in the first place. Its not hard.

Something tells me many of these posts would look different if we were talking about combat ships being denied entry into a pvp system.

Something tells me many of these posts would look different if we were talking about combat ships being denied entry into a pvp system.

Every system is a PvP system.

Every system is also a trading system, but you won't call KL-540 in bumfuck nowhere jove space a trading system just because you -can- trade there.

Something tells me many of these posts would look different if we were talking about combat ships being denied entry into a pvp system.

No - people don't take every precaution available. That is why they get ganked (successfully).

If you get ganked in new caldari or perimeter on a jita gate you've already failed at "taking every precaution".

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?

It also prevent Jita campers from getting in system to camp the undock. PVP ship are no less affected by this.

Excellent point, especially considering that PVP persons that log on are moved out of jita and thus have to wait to get in.

We also cannot chase a ship into the system so in a way, this system is protecting you when you jump into a full jita.

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens.

Something tells me many of these posts would look different if we were talking about combat ships being denied entry into a pvp system.

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?

Some people can and do take the required steps to prevent being ganked yet it still happens. This is like saying every **** victim deserved it because it happened. Sounds stupid doesnt it?

Sitting on a gate is sitting on a gate, so no, I'm not asking for special treatment. Also, it's not just Jita - try logging on as soon as the server comes up after downtime - it's quite common to get a gate locked message while the random system you're trying to get into is loaded. You have the same options then, wait for the gate to let you through and risk dying, or get the hell out of dodge until it will let you through.

Sitting on a gate is sitting on a gate, so no, I'm not asking for special treatment. Also, it's not just Jita - try logging on as soon as the server comes up after downtime - it's quite common to get a gate locked message while the random system you're trying to get into is loaded. You have the same options then, wait for the gate to let you through and risk dying, or get the hell out of dodge until it will let you through.

No, what sounds stupid is suggesting that perfect safety should ever happen. Like you just did.

Well, that and comparing being ganked in a video game with being sexually assaulted in real life. Why do you freaking people always try to take it out of game like that? It's hyperbole, it's wholly inappropriate, and if it's not against the forum rules it certainly should be.

No, what sounds stupid is suggesting that perfect safety should ever happen. Like you just did.

Well, that and comparing being ganked in a video game with being sexually assaulted in real life. Why do you freaking people always try to take it out of game like that? It's hyperbole, it's wholly inappropriate, and if it's not against the forum rules it certainly should be.

Back in the day when i was big into null sec fleet fights, I'd commonly not be able to get into the target system. Before TiDi it was common to jump or jump briodge into a system and black screen for ever, logging out and back in didn't even work.

It never occurred to me to run to the forums and complain about it, I knew that that situation would be deathly laggy and i still clicked jump. Not everyone finds the need to moan about realities one encounters in the game.

I too once thought posting proof and facts and reason and the words of the DEVS themselves would mean something.

What's starting to become obvious from these threads and the attitude of the core GD posters is that they aren't actually all that qualified to talk about problems with game mechanics - ie, mission running peasants really shouldn't claim they are authorities on certain topics. I'd rather hear from gankers, heavy industrialists/traders and haulers. If there is a long term solution to Jita, it'll come from them, not from forum residents who have already stated they are unaffected.