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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.21 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/04/2006 03:10:39
I would suggest ISSN that you gave the CVA an entirely valid casus belli in building in territory claimed by CVA for Amarr.
War is about more than fireing the first shot, and as the invaders into Amarrian claimed territory it is the ISS who are the agressors in this situation, and the CVA declaration qualifies as a just and defensive war of longstanding claims.
The proverbial ball is in the ISS court here, you must initiate peace for peace to exist as it is you who have chosen to transgress by the placing of heavily armed starbases in space obviously claimed by the CVA. Should you offer this removal now before too much blood is spilt, then I would be truely disappointed in the CVA should they not be open to an agreement such as the one proposed by Omber.
If you wish to pretend to be the neutral corporation you claim to be, ISS, then I suggest that you act like it.
I would hope that all Imperial supporters are watching the development of this situation intently, as the CVA is a true supporter of the Amarrian people and the Empire of God.
God is with us.
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insanebe
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Posted - 2006.04.21 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: insanebe on 21/04/2006 03:22:32
 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/04/2006 03:10:39
I would suggest ISSN that you gave the CVA an entirely valid casus belli in building in territory claimed by CVA for Amarr.
War is about more than fireing the first shot, and as the invaders into Amarrian claimed territory it is the ISS who are the agressors in this situation, and the CVA declaration qualifies as a just and defensive war of longstanding claims.
The proverbial ball is in the ISS court here, you must initiate peace for peace to exist as it is you who have chosen to transgress by the placing of heavily armed starbases in space obviously claimed by the CVA. Should you offer this removal now before too much blood is spilt, then I would be truely disappointed in the CVA should they not be open to an agreement such as the one proposed by Omber.
If you wish to pretend to be the neutral corporation you claim to be, ISS, then I suggest that you act like it.
I would hope that all Imperial supporters are watching the development of this situation intently, as the CVA is a true supporter of the Amarrian people and the Empire of God.
personally i think CVA's claim is valid and we made a mistake but CVA's actions of out right hostility in destroying a passing civillian who was unaware of the circumstances at the time as were most of us, was out of order
as far as i know compensation is being demanded and we will accept nothing less
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Sushi Tanaka
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Posted - 2006.04.21 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: insanebe
as far as i know compensation is being demanded and we will accept nothing less
Don't get too carried away with compensation demands, ISS would owe CVA a Demios in that case. |
insanebe
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Posted - 2006.04.21 03:54:00 -
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what we lost was more expensive than a pesky BS
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sushi Tanaka
Don't get too carried away with compensation demands, ISS would owe CVA a Demios in that case.
Heh...I could hardly demand compensation for a dumbass mistake.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/04/2006 04:29:21
I would suggest that the agressor, which is undoubtedly ISS in this case, demanding compensation is an act that would not suggest that ISS has any desire for peace.
ISS agressed, CVA issued a simple ultimatum.
ISS chose to give insulting 'offers' that effectively demanded the CVA surrender to them and refused to talk terms of removing the starbases from Amarrian claimed space.
CVA accordingly eleminated the grace period they had granted ISS before opening fire.
I would suggest that if this war is to be halted that both parties should take the losses to date and work for a white peace. Again I would suggest that Omber's suggestions are quite decent
Demanding compensation, when it is, as you admit, ISS who are the agressors here, is tantamount to throwing CVA yet another gauntlet. Which, you must admit, is not the action of a party wishing to see a peaceful resolution.
God is with us.
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xHjfx
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: insanebe
Edited by: insanebe on 21/04/2006 03:22:32
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/04/2006 03:10:39
I would suggest ISSN that you gave the CVA an entirely valid casus belli in building in territory claimed by CVA for Amarr.
War is about more than fireing the first shot, and as the invaders into Amarrian claimed territory it is the ISS who are the agressors in this situation, and the CVA declaration qualifies as a just and defensive war of longstanding claims.
The proverbial ball is in the ISS court here, you must initiate peace for peace to exist as it is you who have chosen to transgress by the placing of heavily armed starbases in space obviously claimed by the CVA. Should you offer this removal now before too much blood is spilt, then I would be truely disappointed in the CVA should they not be open to an agreement such as the one proposed by Omber.
If you wish to pretend to be the neutral corporation you claim to be, ISS, then I suggest that you act like it.
I would hope that all Imperial supporters are watching the development of this situation intently, as the CVA is a true supporter of the Amarrian people and the Empire of God.
personally i think CVA's claim is valid and we made a mistake but CVA's actions of out right hostility in destroying a passing civillian who was unaware of the circumstances at the time as were most of us, was out of order
as far as i know compensation is being demanded and we will accept nothing less
Why should you recieve compensation?
Civilian or not he was ISS...
The same ISS that trespassed and refused to move from CVA space, The same ISS that sent an aggression force of frigates into CVA space, the same ISS that claims its neutral yet doesnt do anything to backup that claim.
CVA should be demanding compensation for the war dec costs, for the time they took to blow that hauler up...
Get where this is going? The war is down to your own mistake - You (ISS) failed to interpret the word TO and then refused to do anything when complaints were launched and now you come to the forums complaining because gunshots are fired at you after your own people claim that CVA have no claim on their space?
Im not CVA and I dont claim to speak for them but you are in the wrong, you fail to realise this and crying when the shots are firing shouldnt be directed to them.
Direct them to your own leadership - they should compensate because they are the cause.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:49:00 -
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As even the ISSN representative admits it was probably a mistake I would suggest respectfully that the prudent course of action would be to remove the disputed POS stations immediately.
I have no doubt that ISS originally acted with honor. I am one to believe this was an honest mistake. As an ISS shareholder I guess I'm also disturbed that rather then hold to the charter which states the ISS will respect the neutrality and claims of the "host" alliance they instead forced a confrontation. As someone who invests in nearly a dozen Eve entities and funnels the money to SPCS charities it would pain me to see something as honest as this mistake lead to more bloodshed and destruction.
The destruction of a passing ship was unfortunate but hardly unforseeable. The CVA had issued an ultimatum, the ISS had ignored it and refused to honor an agreement made in February. The CVA then declared war as its only option. War was forced on them and they responded. Rather then be intimidated or forced to capitulate and give up territory ISS had agreed to months ago they stood their ground.
Demanding compensation is inappropriate given the facts in the case. The ship destroyed was a casualty of war. Hauler or Battleship it did not matter as the CVA had made clear what would happen to ISS ships caught in its territory. The fact this pilot "didnt know" about the conflict indicates a lack of internal communication amongst the ISS membership and does not reflect badly on those who defended their homes in Providence.
I also read the reply by Omber Zombie and was very impressed. He speaks with clarity and substance and recommends resolution of this unfortunate chain of events. I would hope the CVA would agree to a ceasefire and would probably even help move the POS stations from their territory.
Perhaps with Gods help something can be learned from this situation. Perhaps with the removal of the POS stations ISS can turn the page on the mistrust brought here and reveal themselves to be truly wise and honest. Likewise the CVA could with the POS removal stand down from war alert and once again work to secure Providence from those who would destroy the Empire and free trade.
I believe in what ISS has done in the past and I commend their efforts to tame the vast lawlessness that is 0.0 space. As a shareholder in ISS I support them in their efforts and have cheered their many successes. But this time an unfortunate mistake was made. Time to fix it and move on. Move beyond the boundry agreed upon by both CVA and ISS in February and build a true friendship with the current residents of Providence.
The tension and anger here today need not be here tomorrow. Tomorrow a new day could dawn and a true friendship based on mutual respect could emerge. Some of the greatest alliances and friendships in the universe are forged by initial turmoil. This could be one of those great instances where brought to the brink of war both sides stand proudly at the end and look out over all they have accomplished.
I pray to God that peace is preserved.
Archbishop
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: xHjfx
Originally by: insanebe
Edited by: insanebe on 21/04/2006 03:22:32
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/04/2006 03:10:39
I would suggest ISSN that you gave the CVA an entirely valid casus belli in building in territory claimed by CVA for Amarr.
War is about more than fireing the first shot, and as the invaders into Amarrian claimed territory it is the ISS who are the agressors in this situation, and the CVA declaration qualifies as a just and defensive war of longstanding claims.
The proverbial ball is in the ISS court here, you must initiate peace for peace to exist as it is you who have chosen to transgress by the placing of heavily armed starbases in space obviously claimed by the CVA. Should you offer this removal now before too much blood is spilt, then I would be truely disappointed in the CVA should they not be open to an agreement such as the one proposed by Omber.
If you wish to pretend to be the neutral corporation you claim to be, ISS, then I suggest that you act like it.
I would hope that all Imperial supporters are watching the development of this situation intently, as the CVA is a true supporter of the Amarrian people and the Empire of God.
personally i think CVA's claim is valid and we made a mistake but CVA's actions of out right hostility in destroying a passing civillian who was unaware of the circumstances at the time as were most of us, was out of order
as far as i know compensation is being demanded and we will accept nothing less
Why should you recieve compensation?
Civilian or not he was ISS...
The same ISS that trespassed and refused to move from CVA space, The same ISS that sent an aggression force of frigates into CVA space, the same ISS that claims its neutral yet doesnt do anything to backup that claim.
CVA should be demanding compensation for the war dec costs, for the time they took to blow that hauler up...
Get where this is going? The war is down to your own mistake - You (ISS) failed to interpret the word TO and then refused to do anything when complaints were launched and now you come to the forums complaining because gunshots are fired at you after your own people claim that CVA have no claim on their space?
Im not CVA and I dont claim to speak for them but you are in the wrong, you fail to realise this and crying when the shots are firing shouldnt be directed to them.
Direct them to your own leadership - they should compensate because they are the cause.
You can continue to say that all you want. If ISS did the wrong thing ok. That happens. The moment you stop talking and start picking up guns is the moment where you become warmongerers. All this talk about who did what and everything still doesnt put aside the fact that CVA took the first step on the active war path. Does the teachings of God tell you to stop talking and select violence. There are always other options other than war. You ask how can i say this. Well war and death has been part of my life since i was very young. Its all ive known.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Princess Morenta
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Morenta on 21/04/2006 05:03:23
Originally by: Agent Kenshin
Originally by: xHjfx
Originally by: insanebe
Edited by: insanebe on 21/04/2006 03:22:32
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/04/2006 03:10:39
I would suggest ISSN that you gave the CVA an entirely valid casus belli in building in territory claimed by CVA for Amarr.
War is about more than fireing the first shot, and as the invaders into Amarrian claimed territory it is the ISS who are the agressors in this situation, and the CVA declaration qualifies as a just and defensive war of longstanding claims.
The proverbial ball is in the ISS court here, you must initiate peace for peace to exist as it is you who have chosen to transgress by the placing of heavily armed starbases in space obviously claimed by the CVA. Should you offer this removal now before too much blood is spilt, then I would be truely disappointed in the CVA should they not be open to an agreement such as the one proposed by Omber.
If you wish to pretend to be the neutral corporation you claim to be, ISS, then I suggest that you act like it.
I would hope that all Imperial supporters are watching the development of this situation intently, as the CVA is a true supporter of the Amarrian people and the Empire of God.
personally i think CVA's claim is valid and we made a mistake but CVA's actions of out right hostility in destroying a passing civillian who was unaware of the circumstances at the time as were most of us, was out of order
as far as i know compensation is being demanded and we will accept nothing less
Why should you recieve compensation?
Civilian or not he was ISS...
The same ISS that trespassed and refused to move from CVA space, The same ISS that sent an aggression force of frigates into CVA space, the same ISS that claims its neutral yet doesnt do anything to backup that claim.
CVA should be demanding compensation for the war dec costs, for the time they took to blow that hauler up...
Get where this is going? The war is down to your own mistake - You (ISS) failed to interpret the word TO and then refused to do anything when complaints were launched and now you come to the forums complaining because gunshots are fired at you after your own people claim that CVA have no claim on their space?
Im not CVA and I dont claim to speak for them but you are in the wrong, you fail to realise this and crying when the shots are firing shouldnt be directed to them.
Direct them to your own leadership - they should compensate because they are the cause.
You can continue to say that all you want. If ISS did the wrong thing ok. That happens. The moment you stop talking and start picking up guns is the moment where you become warmongerers. All this talk about who did what and everything still doesnt put aside the fact that CVA took the first step on the active war path. Does the teachings of God tell you to stop talking and select violence. There are always other options other than war. You ask how can i say this. Well war and death has been part of my life since i was very young. Its all ive known.
Do you not understand? ISS sent a task force INTO CVA SPACE.
If that wasnt a clear act of aggression I dont know what was - CVA were forced into the war position and ISS arent doing themselves any favours by continuing this act... as stated before, they were and are in the wrong and should back down.
CVA were forced into action as it can be clearly see over this 12 or so pages. They tried to resolve the dispute amicably when ISS declared they wouldnt budge - See counts post... This indicates ISS was warmongering and NOT CVA considering CVA threatened war only to protect its vested interest in that space, which ISS had broke their agreement on.
Considering its part of the ISS Charter, they should back down but as it stands - they are in no way showing themselves neutral.. More imperialistic.. More like true colours
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xHjfx
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:02:00 -
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I refuse to respond to any MC statement as quite blatently as shown above by others and posted previously, they are meddling in affairs and stirring the issue.
They are paid for by the ISS and will argue the ISS point until the bank roll stops - biased in their view.
I will continue to read this thread and hope that both the ISS and CVA can resolve their problems... whether this is done by violence or diplomacy is upto ISS as most have pointed out.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:04:00 -
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The course to war was set with the word NO. When asked to remove the POS stations that single word led to this. It wasnt the mistake itself I agree with you. It was the refusal to rectify the situation. That single word was the first "shot" if you will. What else is there?
Negotiation? An agreement recognized by all was broken. A horrible mistake was made.
Still there is hope now. Now it seems to be understood a mistake was made. Now is the time to remove the POS stations and fix a terrible chain of events.
I'm sure everyone will pray for peace and resolution. I look forward to a new day tomorrow and the hope that this conflict will end and the mistrust forged here will be broken in the spirit of peace.
Archbishop
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Kenshin
The moment you stop talking and start picking up guns is the moment where you become warmongerers.
Incorrect.
The moment you let a mistake become an act of invasion (ISS refusing twice now in this very discussion to move their stations from what was agreed as CVA space) is the moment you become a warmonger.
Somehow that point continues to be lost on a lot of people...
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Kenshin
You can continue to say that all you want. If ISS did the wrong thing ok. That happens. The moment you stop talking and start picking up guns is the moment where you become warmongerers. All this talk about who did what and everything still doesnt put aside the fact that CVA took the first step on the active war path. Does the teachings of God tell you to stop talking and select violence. There are always other options other than war. You ask how can i say this. Well war and death has been part of my life since i was very young. Its all ive known.
You are wrong here. What decides who is the agressor in the war is not so simple as who fires the first shot, the agressor is the side that puts the matter into contention and breaches the previous agreements that had been made.
The agreement was that the system was CVA, moving into the system without speaking to the CVA and setting up heavily armed battlestations ws an act of war that gave the CVA an entirely valid casus belli (or 'reason for war' if you dont already know the term)
The CVA could have declared war on the ISS with no warning whatsoever and still been the party fighting a just defensive war, simply because it was the ISS that breached the diplomatic agreement that already existed.
In essence the ISS movement was an act of war that gave the CVA only two options, back down and surrender territory they had the prior claim for to agressing non-Amarrian forces or demand that the ISS retract their agressive actions.
The CVA are Amarrians, not pushovers. They attempted, justly, to diplomatically resolve the issue. The ISS pushed the issue instead of holding to their charter, and here we are.
War is not so simple as 'who fired the first shot'. The question of who is the 'warmongering' party goes not to who fired first, but rather to who chose to break the agreements that allow for peaceful interaction between humans in lawless space and promote peace in the fringe.
The ISS is undoubtedly the agressing party in this, I have yet to see any evidence suggesting otherwise.
God is with us.
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Kristoffer
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kristoffer on 21/04/2006 05:32:16
We've tried to get this point across many times. ISS are imperialists true and true, you interfere with their plans and they will attempt to remove you.
CVA is the second instance of this ISS warmongering, CC being the first.
When will people wake up?
CVA, I on behalf my corporation wish you the best, your not the only ones fighting this menace. Good luck.
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DogTyred
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:39:00 -
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It does seem that once again the expansionist policies of the ISS have led them into conflict. It kinda makes it hard to shout " we are nuetral to everyone" when you have your Tanks sitting in someones back yard.
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Elissianus
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Posted - 2006.04.21 06:09:00 -
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Tbh, much as it's interesting to base this topic largely around semantics (basically what the word 'TO' means and what the definition of 'AGGRESSOR' is), ISS could resolve the situation by removing the POS's and I'm fairly confident a ceasefire could then be reached. As a resident of the area it is far better to have both sides concentrating on removing pirate threats than destroying each other's forces.
Come on ISS, remove the POS's and then you can discuss which areas are 'claimed' and which are not.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.04.21 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Golan Trevize is the finest example of what Amarr should be I have ever encountered, anyone who would question his loyalty to the Empire is an ignorant fool.
I wonder how to take that comment, coming as it does from someone who disobeyed an imperial edict to give the Grandmaster of Tetrimon safe passage...
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.21 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/04/2006 06:21:40
Originally by: Elissianus
ISS could resolve the situation by removing the POS's and I'm fairly confident a ceasefire could then be reached.
I believe so as well. I would even go farther to suggest that if the ISS offered peace terms that involved a cease fire to give them safety in removeing those stations, that the CVA might even be willing to agree, though I most definitely cannot speak for the CVA in this matter.
As said earlier, the responsibility for breaching peace is in the ISS court and has been there since the stations went up, that the ISS and ISS supporters are trying to pin blame on the CVA is why so much of the topic is filled with deadly serious 'semantics'.
ISS: speak to the CVA of peace and honoring your previous agreements and end this before more blood is shed and your reputation of neutrality is utterly ruined. Any other path is folly.
God is with us.
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Zooish
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:12:00 -
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The CVA have been looking for war, its easy, they want the whole of Providence "Soon" but doesn't have the manpower to take it.....
This matter could have been resolved behind close doors, and then again when the ISSN was ordered to stay at home. Instead the CVA ran to the boards shouting "WAR" and then followed through by placing a War Dec.
This is not rational behaviour, its simply looking for a fight and trying to justify why.
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Goodtime Girl
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:13:00 -
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No matter who was right or wrong ....
The ISSN was ordered to stay at home and the CVA declared war ...
This was wrong, non-diplomatic and simply looking for a fight.
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Chain Gang
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:15:00 -
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The CVA where out of order declaring War, the rest is politics ...
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:22:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri, Archbishop, I recognize the truth in your words.
It would seem to me that the chance to act is clearly the responsibility of the ISS at this point. If the validity of permanent treaties is what you worry about, you should contact the gentlemen I have mentioned above, who represent what I would call the soul of the CVA, for the focus they gave.
Once more, for the third time, I urge the ISS to abandon this system. The CVA are powerful enemies, and fierce allies. This close to Amarr space, you couldn't ask for better friends.
You ISS (and MC!) members who are recognizing the futility and pointlessness of this war should be speaking out to your leaders and diplomats to let your voices be heard! The ISS stands to gain a lot of honor if you act correctly.
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Mynas Atoch
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:24:00 -
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Helping trade to flow and facilitating small corps operations in 0.0 feels like a good reason to get in my ship. I wasn't able to feel the same motivation for some random bunch of imperialists declaring that a constellation or system belonged to them despite having no use for it other than to say "this is ours!" Whatever.
So when Amarran imperialists say .. this is where we are ... and that next constellation that we have no one in ... and the system beyond it ... it just sounds like hot air. Is that a legitimate claim? Not in my eyes ... is it in yours? What do you define as a legitimate claim on territory? To me its where you live and where you build and what you exploit, and the systems thus enclosed.
When ISS corps build some POS's in a system would we oppose a non-hostile party builing in the systems either side of it .. or even at the unused moons in that system? I very much doubt it. We'd say, GREAT! Customers. Are there enough to put up a station nearby? Lets all get rich! That's why the claims that we are trying to provoke a war just don't make sense. Its not as if these moons will be mined to husks and be useless because we left them unexploited.
If there were CVA stations and CVA POS's and CVA miners and CVA patrols, then of course I would acknowledge that maybe we should check carefully whether they are going to shoot us if we exploit an unused system. If the constellations and systems claimed had been listed and named .. then we wouldn't even have had to check carefully ... but when the claim amounts to ... we will expand in the direction of, what to me on my starmap, is just a junction, then I can understand why someone thought the junction itself, totally unused, was a reasonable place to expoit some mineral resources. An unused system, beyond an entire unused constellation beyond the space CVA actually use. Is this CVA space?
I see loads of claims that its CVA space ... I looked ... I don't see any labels ... I don't see any sovereignty ... I doubt there were even any plans to make money from it ... just a demand that no one else can either. But I'm sure CVA would be happy to enhance their claim by giving us a hint at those plans. To me CVA space is two constellations that-a-way, where their miners and POSs are.
Like most ISSN members I've talked to, I really don't care one way or another whether these POS stay or go, or we fight CVA or not. If its red, we shoot it, if its grey we let it pass, if its blue we give them a wave and any intel on hostiles we have. I'll let those with the thankless task of making sense and profit from all this, work out what colours apply. We have plenty of targets to keep us busy without them, and from what percolates down to me, its obvious we are trying to reduce them, not increase them.
Myn
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Chain Gang
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:31:00 -
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Quote:
Once more, for the third time, I urge the ISS to abandon this system. The CVA are powerful enemies, and fierce allies. This close to Amarr space, you couldn't ask for better friends.
Again, all the ISS hear is ... we might want the whole off providence and the CVA have guns ......
I suggest the CVA remove the War Dec and then the ISS can talk but until then the CVA is simply looking for a fight.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.04.21 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chain Gang
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Quit hiding behind your pseudonym, coward.
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Zooish
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Posted - 2006.04.21 08:13:00 -
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Quit hiding behind your pseudonym, coward.
Maybe the truth hurts ... but to call foul and then to War DEc is simply the wrong thing to do ....
If the CVA want a peacefull end to this matter then the right thing to do would be to remove the war ..... the ISSN tried to compromise by asking all pilots to stay away from all CVA space. maybe its time for the CVA to show its peacefull intent.
Anything else is hiding behind words .... the CVA either want a peacefull outcome or not ... the 20 pages of dribble can be cut down to a simply "Yes" or "No".
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munkehdotnet
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Posted - 2006.04.21 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: munkehdotnet on 21/04/2006 08:17:50
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Zooish
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Posted - 2006.04.21 08:18:00 -
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Who's right or wrong doesn't really matter ....
To ask the ISS to do anything with a gun to their head is wrong .. I'm sure if you remove the war declaration then a peacefull outcome will be close ...
BTW the ISS Navy is bigger than you entire alliance ... you sure you want to go down this route.
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kincajou
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Posted - 2006.04.21 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zooish
To ask the ISS to do anything with a gun to their head is wrong .. I'm sure if you remove the war declaration then a peacefull outcome will be close ...
Are you official representative of the ISS?
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