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Zooish	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:29:00 - [361] Quote: Are you official representative of the ISS? I'm in the ....... know ... But to ask for anything at the end of a war dec is going to get the CVA nothing.
Reash	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:31:00 - [362] Originally by: Zooish Quote: Are you official representative of the ISS? I'm in the ....... know ... But to ask for anything at the end of a war dec is going to get the CVA nothing. Asking before a war dec got us nothing aswell, the war dec was a last resort
Grim Savage	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:35:00 - [363] This reminds me of, 'the indy insident' that ultimatly caused the fall of Xetic, and the un-armed BS breaching the Xetic defences in Feyth during the first ambush Stain-residents threw at Xetic. Hidden agression (Deployment of potentially very damageing and dangerous array of shield towers) fortifieing theire position very close to CVA's area of intrest. When CVA then ask them to remove them, they respond by building more, claiming that this is OK due to a deal made before the great EVE-Quake. When CVA then do what they clarely have to do, defend themselfs, then ISS sit there with an inocent look claiming to be the victims of open agression. Whatever someone said in february, noone, can use 2 months later, after ALL the balances of EVE have shifted. ISS are an agressive alliance, and they need to be put in place when they come banging theire wallets and mercs against the peacefull godloveing Amarr people.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:40:00 - [364] Quote: Whatever someone said in february, noone, can use 2 months later, after ALL the balances of EVE have shifted. Complete rubbish ... Like statements . we "may" want the whole of providence.
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:42:00 - [365] No ducking out CVA .... you either want a peacefull outcome or not ... but by declaring war personally if I was the ISS I would close all diplomatic channels until you removed it.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:51:00 - [366] Please can ISSN members refrain from further postings in this thread. We'll leave the talking to the diplomats, I understand negotiations are still taking place and I hope for a peaceful resolve ASAP. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Qolde	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:56:00 - [367] You guys!! You guys!!! Look!!! I found the most simple explanation AND solution to the entire problem!!!! Facts ISS and CVA are not enemies. CVA claims this system is theirs through some imaginary abstract border system. ISS does not contest these imaginary borders, however misunderstood these borders and placed only 7 POSes in a system with over 15 moons. Solution: Stop fighting. Let the POSes stay, because ISS is friendly. The next 8 Large POSes that CVA puts up will be in this system, to OFFICIALLY claim their space. ISS and CVA live happily ever after. Whether either of you like it or not, you are going to be neighbors for a very long time, if outside forces do not get involved, so you might as well get along now so that you can have 1 extra ally if either of you get into some other war trouble. On one side you have: ISS BoB (they gave them an outpost, can't be a random act of kindness, I don't think BoB trained that skill) Mercenary Coalition (lives next door to BoB and coincidentally currently employed by ISS) Ushra'Khan (out of default because who hates CVA more than UK?) Very formidable force Then on the other side: CVA Huzzah and according to the diplomacy table RA and SA will side here. If you resolve this with a shared system, you will both reap the benefits of increased trade, and vastly increased security. If not? Well... my money is on the ISS/BoB/MC/UK machine.
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:03:00 - [368] Originally by: Qolde On one side you have: ISS BoB (they gave them an outpost, can't be a random act of kindness, I don't think BoB trained that skill) Mercenary Coalition (lives next door to BoB and coincidentally currently employed by ISS) Ushra'Khan (out of default because who hates CVA more than UK?) Very formidable force Then on the other side: CVA Huzzah and according to the diplomacy table RA and SA will side here. Huzzah would likely remain neutral, they are good friends with ISS and CVA, I doubt they would want to get involved in such a petty dispute.
Grim Savage	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:26:00 - [369] BOB aint on ISS's side. BOB is on BOB's side. (in alphabetical order) Also, ASCN, AXE, CC, Chimrea, CI, LV, RA, RAT... and teire grandmothers and alts, might very well have 'issues' with ISS building a terrorist training camp in Providence. Preemptive strikes against the axis-of-evil (ISS and MC) whould be in order. An amarr factory station for rappid production of capital ships are not something people want in theire backyards.
Phiraga	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:32:00 - [370] Originally by: Grim Savage BOB aint on ISS's side. BOB is on BOB's side. The day BoB takes out a nice chunk of ISS' infrastructure is the day I will believe that. Until then, what I believe is what someone said, not long after I thought it. The thought was "ISS may have a lot of BoB alts in it". Don't take offense to it. It was just a thought, that I can't prove. But one guy that flew with BoB said it was true.
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:34:00 - [371] Originally by: Grim Savage BOB aint on ISS's side. BOB is on BOB's side. (in alphabetical order) Also, ASCN, AXE, CC, Chimrea, CI, LV, RA, RAT... and teire grandmothers and alts, might very well have 'issues' with ISS building a terrorist training camp in Providence. Preemptive strikes against the axis-of-evil (ISS and MC) whould be in order. An amarr factory station for rappid production of capital ships are not something people want in theire backyards. 1) You cannot build capital ships in a factory outpost 2) Of the organisations you mention, all but two have + standings to ISS Think that just about makes enough of a mockery of your post.
Qolde	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:37:00 - [372] Originally by: Angry Dan Edited by: Angry Dan on 20/04/2006 00:52:43 The Huzzah Federation takes a keen intrest in this matter. ISS have decided that they wish to deploy a starbase near our border. Huzzah Federation favours any developement that would bring properity to Providence. We favour open borders and free trade, something that CVA and ISS have also been keen to promote. We ahve historically assisted CVA in maintaining security in the R3-K7K system and the surrounding area, and we have fought a fair number of wars to establish the current relative peace in the area. The status quo in the area is something we are keen to maintain. However, we do not like seeing our allies fight. Ideally, we would prefer that this issue was resolved peacefully. If mediation is required, I am willing to off my services as a neutral mediator. With negotiation a mutually beneficial solution could be found, I am sure of it. And as Huzzah Federation is neutral in this affair, and we plan to maintain our neutrality, I believe I can negotiate a settlement that we can all use. However, we take a very dim view of our space being used to assault our oldest ally. I fail to see why ISS is pursuing this path, as war with the CVA achieves nothing for them. Our official position is that Huzzah Federation will stay neutral to the ISS and CVA, and will not fight on either side. However, should the fighting spill over our borders, or should our lawful trade be harrassed, we will reconsider our neutral position. Yeah, Huzzah would like to remain neutral, just as much as ISS would. But we all know whats possible at this point. Could be a World War, but in an Eve way.
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:53:00 - [373] Originally by: Qolde Yeah, Huzzah would like to remain neutral, just as much as ISS would. But we all know whats possible at this point. Could be a World War, but in an Eve way. Oh, don't be so melodramatic. I see nothing of the sort. You know what I see? Two old friends argueing about a POS, and the rest of EVE not giving a flying f***
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:55:00 - [374] Originally by: Phiraga The day BoB takes out a nice chunk of ISS' infrastructure is the day I will believe that. Until then, what I believe is what someone said, not long after I thought it. The thought was "ISS may have a lot of BoB alts in it". Don't take offense to it. It was just a thought, that I can't prove. But one guy that flew with BoB said it was true. You totally miss the point. ISS DO NOT OWN THEIR OUTPOSTS. The shareholders do. The shareholders are spread throughout all Alliances in EVE, which is why so few people have any reason or motivation to attack an ISS outpost. Thats why BoB etc have no interest in attacking ISS outposts - they are not stragetically important, and many of their members have a nice income in the form of share dividends.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.04.21 10:16:00 - [375] Originally by: Mr Trouble Originally by: Phiraga The day BoB takes out a nice chunk of ISS' infrastructure is the day I will believe that. Until then, what I believe is what someone said, not long after I thought it. The thought was "ISS may have a lot of BoB alts in it". Don't take offense to it. It was just a thought, that I can't prove. But one guy that flew with BoB said it was true. You totally miss the point. ISS DO NOT OWN THEIR OUTPOSTS. The shareholders do. The shareholders are spread throughout all Alliances in EVE, which is why so few people have any reason or motivation to attack an ISS outpost. Thats why BoB etc have no interest in attacking ISS outposts - they are not stragetically important, and many of their members have a nice income in the form of share dividends. How u know? many of their members like FIX, and yet their destroyed 30+ bil egg. The pilots in BoB live for pvp, not to make more money I would think. even if few owe some shares, thinking that would stop the rest of them is wrong. Thats said, I dont think they will attack the ISS with capital ships - they stated more than once they appreciate what ISS is trying to accomplish (though duno if they still believe their neutrality stuff, or ISS are in BoB's pockets, or vice versa lol). There, I think I just contributed 0 to this discussion but I still like to post lol... ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise.
Grim Savage	Posted - 2006.04.21 10:17:00 - [376] Originally by: Krackerjack Originally by: Grim Savage BOB aint on ISS's side. BOB is on BOB's side. (in alphabetical order) Also, ASCN, AXE, CC, Chimrea, CI, LV, RA, RAT... and teire grandmothers and alts, might very well have 'issues' with ISS building a terrorist training camp in Providence. Preemptive strikes against the axis-of-evil (ISS and MC) whould be in order. An amarr factory station for rappid production of capital ships are not something people want in theire backyards. 1) You cannot build capital ships in a factory outpost 2) Of the organisations you mention, all but two have + standings to ISS Think that just about makes enough of a mockery of your post. You can build Dreads and carriers. You can not build motherships and titans.. So, my *****-useing friend.. you are wrong.
Grim Savage	Posted - 2006.04.21 10:23:00 - [377] Originally by: Mr Trouble ISS DO NOT OWN THEIR OUTPOSTS. The shareholders do. The shareholders are spread throughout all Alliances in EVE, which is why so few people have any reason or motivation to attack an ISS outpost. That is not entierly true. I know that many people make a lot of isk's of theire shares. If those people are my enemies, then I will stand to gain more by destroying the income from theire shares, than to destroy a platinium-insured BS.
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.21 10:38:00 - [378] Originally by: Grim Savage You can build Dreads and carriers. You can not build motherships and titans.. So, my *****-useing friend.. you are wrong. Which applies to ALL outposts, I think you'll find. And ANYONE can stroll on in with a BPC and kick things off. Face facts - no-one wants the ISS outposts apart from the ISS, and the shareholders are happy with the dividends.
Zooish	Posted - 2006.04.21 10:41:00 - [379] Quote: Which applies to ALL outposts, I think you'll find. And ANYONE can stroll on in with a BPC and kick things off. But there is no point ..... why move equipment 20 jumps through 0.0 to an Outpost when you can build Carriers and Dreads in any 0.4 system next door to empire.
Tharrn	Posted - 2006.04.21 11:06:00 - [380] Originally by: Qolde CVA claims this system is theirs through some imaginary abstract border system. So you think ISS should build POS just anywhere they like because almost all borders in 0.0 are quite imaginary... Now recruiting!
Zooish	Posted - 2006.04.21 11:15:00 - [381] Quote: So you think ISS should build POS just anywhere they like because almost all borders in 0.0 are quite imaginary... So everyones sits in empire because I may want claim the entire provdence region.. Thats why Eve has a territory map sticky .... so people can publish there claimed space and not act like children and shout "I want everything" !!
Tharrn	Posted - 2006.04.21 11:25:00 - [382] What's your beef with the CVA? Have a friend in the ISS? What's different with all the other alliances claiming changing regions of space they don't fortify? That map can and will never be 100% accurate. Even the author says he has to guess for some parts. Now recruiting!
O Thief	Posted - 2006.04.21 11:40:00 - [383] This thread is now irrelevant. Please see the official statement from Marginis Imports in this forum. ISS - we don't give you permission to remain in Providence. Same with CVA. Out you go.
Acron Ishtal	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:09:00 - [384] O Thief is now irrelevant, please disregard his posts in this thread. Thank you. --------------------------------------------- "True honor is found only in service to the Emperor. Only His wisdom can guide us to the path of the righteous."
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:14:00 - [385] Quote: What's your beef with the CVA? Have a friend in the ISS? What's different with all the other alliances claiming changing regions of space they don't fortify? That map can and will never be 100% accurate. Even the author says he has to guess for some parts. OH, so its the ISS's fault for not "guessing" correctly ..... please.
Garreck	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:28:00 - [386] Edited by: Garreck on 21/04/2006 13:27:54 Originally by: Chain Gang OH, so its the ISS's fault for not "guessing" correctly ..... please. No, it's ISS's fault for breaking an agreement made in good faith. Even giving them room for a misinterpretation of the agreement, it's ISS's fault for not respecting the claim after the misunderstanding was brought to their attention. But we've been over this a dozen times by now...
O Thief	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:37:00 - [387] Originally by: Acron Ishtal O Thief is now irrelevant, please disregard his posts in this thread. Thank you. What are you talking about? I am claiming Providence on behald of Marginis Imports. This is a valid claim and Providence will shortly be marked on the alliance map as 'contested'. We may not have any infrastructure, assets, or presence in most of Providence, but we might in the future, and want to secure the whole region for our projected growth. Which may or may not happen. Are you trying to claim for a second that our claim on an area we have no operations, assets, or interest in is not valid? And if this is the case, how do you justify your own expanded territorial claims? See you on the battlefield. Providence is ours!
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:39:00 - [388] Quote: Even giving them room for a misinterpretation of the agreement Right, so its their fault for not reading between the lines and making mistakes any normal person would make given your incorrect guidelines during the agreement. I may claim everything ....... Soon
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:41:00 - [389] Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 21/04/2006 13:42:31 CVA Territory Statement ... "I want that one", "and that one", "oh yeah, and that one" Did someone called "Andy" from the CVA do the official policy
kincajou niten	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:46:00 - [390] Originally by: Goodtime Girl Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 21/04/2006 13:42:31 CVA Territory Statement ... "I want that one", "and that one", "oh yeah, and that one" Read up from the start and you will understand that you are completely wrong.

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