Thanks for the unwarranted judgement . Good to see your playing an MMO with "the worst gamers" you've ever met. Your pretty sheltered for a 50 yr old hey? Head on over to LoL forums if you want to see toxic.

Let me return the favor. You seem like an irrelevant anti social moron who plays an mmo by himself and only opens his mouth when he has something ****** to say about the community. I suspect you have very few friends, and that if you were to leave this community not a single soul would miss you.

I wouldn't say any of that stuff though because I'm not a judgemental ****. Like you.

Yeah, you heard that right. Ero's shtick has always been that he is the only one who does exactly what he says he does, the only one who doesn't scam, doesn't cheat his marks. That is the point of what was going on - to make the participant give up, and lose, hence making the loss of his items due to the fact he backed out (right at the last minute, of course). Regardless of the circumstances of the matter, he is able to, every time, state truthfully that the 'loser' gave up. Sure, the guy never had a chance, but if Ero walked with the items at any point, before the participant gave up of his own free will, that undermines his whole ethos and reputation.

Getting on an emotional rollercoaster is easy, getting off is hard. And having people pressuring you to keep going down that path makes it even harder.

Then again I have run acorss dudes whose idea of sexy time is getting beaten with a leather strap or watching some dude (unfortunately never me for some reason....lol) plow their significant other while they watch. There is NO accounting for taste.

The problem is, once you become aware of something, you're on notice. And then if something bad happens, you can end up being held legally liable. If you are aware of a risk and don't take reasonable precautions, that falls under the definition of negligence.

I don't agree with everything Ripard writes or with every solution he proposes. But he has a generally good point in this current posting theme, EVE has a toxic brand identity. That's not a good thing, no matter how you spin it.

Then again I have run acorss dudes whose idea of sexy time is getting beaten with a leather strap or watching some dude (unfortunately never me for some reason....lol) plow their significant other while they watch. There is NO accounting for taste.

Sure, I can. "Is this guy costing us subscriptions?"

For someone who usually posts intelligently, you have completely missed the point. You're stuck in the "ideals of the sandbox" mindset. This topic isn't about ideals or the sandbox, it's about brand identity. CCP is free to do whatever they like. But they're a business. There are consequences for allowing these sorts of things to continue. Right or wrong, real or unreal, sandbox or no sandbox, sooner or later one of these incidents is going to end with someone doing something REALLY crazy. That's the day EVE will become "that game where..." that Ripard is talking about. All the petty arguments about sandbox ideals won't mean a thing when the press has a field day pointing out the inevitable result of sociopathic behavior.

Bittervets had better wake up; the sci fi MMO genre is taking off and competition is heating up. The EVE sandbox is totally and utterly dependent on a critical mass of players. Every player they lose and every player they gain is critical to the ecosystem. Everything they can do to preserve the hardcore nature of the game while tempering the asshattery is a good thing. You can pretend otherwise, but EVE's day of reckoning is coming. It won't be dramatic. It will be a slow, steady bleed of players tired of the status quo, the asshattery, and the never ending defense of the indefensible. It will be a slow, steady bleed of players who realize that they can get online and have immediate space fighting fun without the torturous grinding and clicking that EVE offers.

I don't agree with everything Ripard writes or with every solution he proposes. But he has a generally good point in this current posting theme, EVE has a toxic brand identity. That's not a good thing, no matter how you spin it.

People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.

18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.

Guys...

First and foremost Jester Trek's report on the bonus round is bias and not completely accurate. So while you're getting all upset try to remember this and the fact this guy willingly gave all his assets away multiple times. At any point he could have left, but chose to stay. And even after everything that happened, at the very end he still considered singing MORE SONGS!

Torture? Are you serious? I wonder why Jester didn't mention waterboarding, or the breaking of fingers/limbs, or the pulling out of teeth.. etc. Oh, probably because it wouldn't fit into his nice comparison. Again, the person had the choice to stay, or continue. It was always up to him; he and he alone. No one tied him down with rope and forced him to play.

I'm not saying this person in particular didn't go through a difficult time, but comparing it to IRL torture is ********, sad and screaming for attention.

Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.

I guess this just goes to show that there's a Sohkar born every minute.

(I haven't read this whole thread so sorry if someone else thought of the joke first.)

'Let's make the world safe for gullible idiots!'

Ummm, no, let's not and say we did.

Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.

my 23 yr old son asked me why i did'nt join a corp and i play alone , i made him read every post in this thread . he thinks most of you are freaking idiots and now he understands why i play this game alone. i'm nearly 50 and some of you are the worst gamers i've ever come across in 30 years of gaming , if it wasn't for the fact nearly everyone has mutipile accounts i doubt this game would have lasted this long .

my 2 cents worth

Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.

On one side we have those who want Erotica1 and his cronies buried in a digital shallow grave.

On the other side, we have those wishing to hoist Erotic1 up on their shoulders as a hero to freedom.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there's a middle ground? Where we can discuss the underlying issue, rather than this single incident? We're all adults, and dealing with the issue of 'potential' cyber bullying is very much an adult issue. So how about we all get off our respective soapboxes, myself included, and start discussing, as adults, this issue and the ramifications that any potential decisions and actions taken regarding the "emergent gameplay" vs "cyber-bullying" debate?

Representing yourself as a police officer, at least in the US is a crime. Making prank phone calls is not or shock jocks would have to fill the other 1/2 hour of the show with more **** stars. Bart Simpson says hi!

Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.

Ahhh the crank call.

Back in my day, all we had was the phone. I remember how we lol'ed when we called the local bowling alley and asked if they had 14 lb. balls.

I'll ask again. How could CCP resist religious groups or the Russian government if they demanded that CCP remove people who engage in "unacceptable" behaviour that "bring the game into disrepute"?

After all, "it's simply a case of morals", right?


As soon as CCP have conceded the right of any group to demand the removal of a player simply because they dislike what he does out of game, then they're wide open to every pressure group out there who thinks they have a duty to make sure you and I live our lives as they think we should.

18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.

I don't agree with everything Ripard writes or with every solution he proposes. But he has a generally good point in this current posting theme, EVE has a toxic brand identity. That's not a good thing, no matter how you spin it.

Just ban Erotica1. Will not be missed and CCP is completely within its rights to do so.

Failing that, play this recording out loud at the next FanFest and see what the assembled community actually thinks of this.

Your choice.

Banning Erotica1 does the entire game and community a boon. Its just one less sub. Who cares.

Ok. I think cyber bullying is a bullshit term made up by soccer moms to explain their own failings to teach their children how to properly defend themselves in this dog eat dog world. I think it's utter garbage spewed by socialists and busybodies who are terrified because the internet represents something they can't control.

At it's most base it is a form of thought control from people like you who think they are on the moral highground.

Turn your ******* computer off. Delete your facebook. In this case, just DON'T GO INTO THE BONUS ROUND WITH A KNOWN SCAMMER.

Why is it that folks like you ALWAYS need the authorities (CCP) to fight your battles for you? Man the **** up son.