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Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
215
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:37:00 -
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This whole affair is very poor publicity for both CCP and Eve and as such I personally believe that CCP should do more to discourage such behavior. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1384
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists?
"Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.
Or Canadians! I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
257
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:38:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Malcanis wrote:18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.
No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain. Hows that?
So, if there is someone I don't like at work - and I bring in a pie for my coworkers, of which is a flavor that he doesn't enjoy, and CCP gets wind of it - I should be banned? ...Oh it's for another EvE player? What if I'm married to an EvE player... you think there is ever a married couple that hasn't toyed emotionally with eachother playfully that would violate this rule? |

Winchester Steele
463
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:38:00 -
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Xander Delacroix wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:
Missing. The. Point. Entirely.
You are, actually. The point he's making is that the slippery slope of arbitrary bannings for something "distasteful" is FAR worse than the supposed slippery slope of "cyber bullying" that Ripard Teg is trying to make the case for. What you call distasteful, I call morally reprehensible; but "tomahto-tomayto". Nevertheless, my point, if anyone bothered to read it, is that bad press leads to declining business leading to CCP losing money leading to Eve eventually going the way of so many other MMO's = no sandbox for Erotica1 and his ilk to indulge their "appetites" (oh and the rest of us losing out along the way too).
Morals are relative. I don't find Erotica1 morally reprehensible. I find mining to be morally reprehenisible though.
CCP ban all miners. Think about your cash flow! Think about the press reporting how boring and mindless mining is. Noone will want to play Eve. This is a business after all. Ban all players who own a hulk now or I will cancel my sub!!!1!!1 This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1496
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:39:00 -
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You ganked me, no sex for you tonight!
*BANNED* I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Anslo
Scope Works
4562
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:39:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Erotica1, fighter for freedom and against Tyranny. Who in hell would have thought that LOL.
As I said before, it's not when the popular handsome hero is on trial that our dedication to justice is tested. It's when the unpopular, ugly, awful unpleasant defendant needs a fair hearing. That's when we really see who cares about doing what's right. It should speak volumes about the community's state when a CSM candidate is defending these kind of actions.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2467
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:39:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:I just hope this thing get out of hand. That this thing hit major gaming sites etc, and create enough talk to actually force some mind change in CCP behaviour towards it.
If that won't work, i sure hope Erotica and his friends falls on the wrong victim. The 1 that will actually finds them IRL. Isnt that RISK VS ISK enough?
Eve is real, remember? Would knocking on someone's door not just be a higher form of meta-gaming, say, like DDOSing someone's TS server, which CCP does nothing about (not that they could). Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1385
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Plenty of people are happy to call homosexuals "obvious piece(s) of filth".
If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists?
"Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.
Gotta be careful about those national laws too, Malc. The way some folks talk, CCP is responsible for knowing and adhering to every nation's laws out there.
I wonder if that applies to nations who have rules regulating women's behaviour in public, or requirements to hold a certain religion. In some nations, it's illegal to express an opinion against the government.
Is CCP on the hook for holding up those laws too, or only the "good" ones? The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2558
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:41:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:
These guys crossed a line in our game and I am appalled at the levels they went to for there own twisted amusement.
What the Mittani did at fanfest pales in comparison.
CCP has to make a choice when enough is enough and I await an official response from them in this matter.
You have a game? What is it?
Does it have its own forums? Because these forums are for EVE Online, a game owned by CCP.
Also, if you hadn't noticed, CCP has already made a choice: They declined to 'respond,' and that's all the response this situation deserves. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |

Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2355
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:41:00 -
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Ripard Teg, foremost apologist and advocate for the...
Ripard Teg wrote:...subset of EVE players who are (a) ignorant about the nature of the game, and (b) greedy.
Boy aren't we lucky he's on our CSM! 
The blog didn't even mention skillpoint loss, it must have been an unusually tame bonus round. Erotica1 does some pretty mean stuff, but I'm not exactly seeing where he crossed the line into something bannable, especially considering all this interaction is taking place between consenting adults outside of the Eve environment. Teg is saying that a line was crossed somewhere (an easy argument to make), but he only proposes crucifixion, rather than an actual policy change. As a CSM member he needs to do better than that.
Many years ago I was dragged into teamspeak at 3am by someone I didn't know and interrogated for over an hour. Me, a clueless noobie, was threatened with the expulsion of my entire alliance from sov space and extorted for the majority of my wallet. When I complained about this to my corp, I was booted, because they preferred to appease the person who had targeted me in the first place. I did end up quitting the game for awhile, but the whole incident became one of those little chance encounters right out of the Butterfly Effect trailer, and led to me making friendships that I've maintained for years and have carried over into RL and other games. Several years later I unknowingly ended up flying alongside that same guy (he is not one of the aforementioned friends), but by the time I realized who he was it didn't matter, it was water under the bridge (what was I going to do? stop pvping? he was our main FC).
I flatter myself to think I wouldn't have the heart to torture a poor guy over his speech impediment, but I also have very little sympathy for him. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5231
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:41:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Erotica1, fighter for freedom and against Tyranny. Who in hell would have thought that LOL.
As I said before, it's not when the popular handsome hero is on trial that our dedication to justice is tested. It's when the unpopular, ugly, awful unpleasant defendant needs a fair hearing. That's when we really see who cares about doing what's right. It should speak volumes about the community's state when a CSM candidate is defending these kind of actions.
Yes it does, it means the community was smart enough to elect a CSM who values reason over emotion.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1384
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:41:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Malcanis wrote:18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.
No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain. Hows that? So, if there is someone I don't like at work - and I bring in a pie for my coworkers, of which is a flavor that he doesn't enjoy, and CCP gets wind of it - I should be banned? ...Oh it's for another EvE player? What if I'm married to an EvE player... you think there is ever a married couple that hasn't toyed emotionally with eachother playfully that would violate this rule?
Sindel Pellion emotionally bullied her husband into not playing Eve one day.
http://crossingzebras.com/b-r5rb-the-sky-is-falling/
Sorry honey, banhammer for you. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:42:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
So basically, there are literally no rules and the only determining factor is being "offensive" to you.
If I hook up with another EVE player and form a relationship with her, should I be banned if Prince Kobol thinks she's too young for me?
How about if our alliances fight and you are offended by some of my propoganda posts on a 3rd party site?
Seriously, if you can't see why arbitrary banning for "offending" people - especially in a game like EVE - wouldn't be a huge whirlwind of a shitstorm, I don't know what to say to you. This isn't just a slippery slope: it's a 4km Luge ride straight to hell.
There you go again, presenting ridiculously extreme examples to try and make comparisons with the current issue.
There's only one major factor needed to judge where the line needs to be drawn, shall i tell you what it is as you appear to be devoid of realizing it yourself, or you do know what it is but prefer to pretend you dont just to provoke other posters.
It's Morality.
Plain and simple, maybe include a dash of common sense in there too, in which case we can dismiss every post you've made in this thread and we can all carry on wondering how you even became a CSM. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17391
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:43:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Since most of us agree that its the victim fault in this scenario. Can we also all agree that women with mini skirts are responsible for their R*pe? Nobody has said that, there's a very very real difference between being a greedy dumbass who lost their virtual stuff by falling for Eroticas spiel and being the victim of a violent sexual assault.
Get some perspective.
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Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
3406
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:43:00 -
[405] - Quote
Well...
I saw the comment violent video games makes you violent in one of the other post he did. I can now with certainty say... the dude is a moron. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |

Tuscor
United System's Commonwealth
23
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:44:00 -
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I find myself liking this Malcanis guy. His no holds barred posting is a bit bullish and his confrontational approach elicits a fiery response from some, but I think his posts are the most level-headed here.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2915
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:44:00 -
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Pashino wrote:Malcanis wrote:18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.
Oh, I don't think they can 'police' anything out of game. No bearing on current issue presented in the thread, either. The problem is, once you become aware of something, you're on notice. And then if something bad happens, you can end up being held legally liable. If you are aware of a risk and don't take reasonable precautions, that falls under the definition of negligence. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1384
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:45:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:You ganked me, no sex for you tonight!
*BANNED*
The New Order used to have ganker whose husband was a rebel fighting us. I always wondered how sexy time went. I bet it was hot frankly. "You ganked me!" "I'm sorry, lets makeup!" I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Drone 16
Law Dogz
48
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Malcanis wrote:Tuscor wrote:Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth. People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post. Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators. What a ridiculous position to take. Why use your position in the community to stick up for an obvious piece of filth? Plenty of people are happy to call homosexuals "obvious piece(s) of filth". If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists? "Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.
You are obfuscating. You took a poor position on something and instead of just copping to it you are still attempting to justify it. Sounds like a certain former Austrian dictator...your stubbornness could cost lives...see what I did there? Sigh... |

Jaari Val'Dara
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
74
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Malcanis wrote:Tuscor wrote:Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth. People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post. Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators. What a ridiculous position to take. Why use your position in the community to stick up for an obvious piece of filth? Plenty of people are happy to call homosexuals "obvious piece(s) of filth". If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists? "Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.
I'm not so sure he didn't break any laws. It's cyberbullying, in some states its illegal.
Though the real problem is that even if all eve community banded together, there's nothing we can do against him. He is 100% safe in his scamming. |

Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:46:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Malcanis wrote:18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.
No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain. Hows that? So, if there is someone I don't like at work - and I bring in a pie for my coworkers, of which is a flavor that he doesn't enjoy, and CCP gets wind of it - I should be banned?
In which part of this example do you gain anything in game? This makes literally zero sense.
This is a bad post and you should feel bad for posting it.
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Winchester Steele
465
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:47:00 -
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mr ed thehouseofed wrote:my 23 yr old son asked me why i did'nt join a corp and i play alone , i made him read every post in this thread . he thinks most of you are freaking idiots and now he understands why i play this game alone. i'm nearly 50 and some of you are the worst gamers i've ever come across in 30 years of gaming , if it wasn't for the fact nearly everyone has mutipile accounts i doubt this game would have lasted this long .
my 2 cents worth
Thanks for the unwarranted judgement . Good to see your playing an MMO with "the worst gamers" you've ever met. Your pretty sheltered for a 50 yr old hey? Head on over to LoL forums if you want to see toxic.
Let me return the favor. You seem like an irrelevant anti social moron who plays an mmo by himself and only opens his mouth when he has something ****** to say about the community. I suspect you have very few friends, and that if you were to leave this community not a single soul would miss you.
I wouldn't say any of that stuff though because I'm not a judgemental ****. Like you. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1498
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:49:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:You ganked me, no sex for you tonight!
*BANNED* The New Order used to have ganker whose husband was a rebel fighting us. I always wondered how sexy time went. I bet it was hot frankly. "You ganked me!" "I'm sorry, lets makeup!"
Come to daddy, I will bump you like there's no tomorrow... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Machagon
Plate of Beans Incorporated Solar Destiny
41
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Plenty of people are happy to call homosexuals "obvious piece(s) of filth".
Please, just stop this. At least pick a different metaphor. Your argument, as far as I can tell, is:
1. It's ethically wrong to banish or otherwise punish people for consensual gay sex. 2. All possible acts and speeches are ethically equivalent to consensual gay sex.
Therefore 3. It's ethically wrong to banish or otherwise punish people for their behaviour.
I don't think ANYBODY holds to proposition 2, which is hidden in your metaphor. Or maybe you aren't talking about all behaviour (though it certainly sounds like it). Maybe you're just trying to argue:
1. It's ethically wrong to banish or otherwise punish people for consensual gay sex. 2. Erotica1's bonus room activity is ethically equivalent to consensual gay sex.
Therefore 3. It's ethically wrong to banish or otherwise punish Erotica1 for their bonus room behaviour.
In this case, proposition 2 is a really contentious point that you seem to be sweeping under the rug (not to mention the fact that it's on the face of it insulting to any gay people who don't agree with you). What makes Erotica1's behaviour ethically equivalent to consensual gay sex? I would love it if you would spell out your reasoning for that before continuing to use this metaphor. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17392
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:51:00 -
[415] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:You ganked me, no sex for you tonight!
*BANNED* The New Order used to have ganker whose husband was a rebel fighting us. I always wondered how sexy time went. I bet it was hot frankly. "You ganked me!" "I'm sorry, lets makeup!" Come to daddy, I will bump you like there's no tomorrow... Docking request refused.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
205
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Can you give me a reliable method of distinguishing them that doesn't boil down to "stuff that you personally dislike Sure, I can. "Is this guy costing us subscriptions?"
For someone who usually posts intelligently, you have completely missed the point. You're stuck in the "ideals of the sandbox" mindset. This topic isn't about ideals or the sandbox, it's about brand identity. CCP is free to do whatever they like. But they're a business. There are consequences for allowing these sorts of things to continue. Right or wrong, real or unreal, sandbox or no sandbox, sooner or later one of these incidents is going to end with someone doing something REALLY crazy. That's the day EVE will become "that game where..." that Ripard is talking about. All the petty arguments about sandbox ideals won't mean a thing when the press has a field day pointing out the inevitable result of sociopathic behavior.
Bittervets had better wake up; the sci fi MMO genre is taking off and competition is heating up. The EVE sandbox is totally and utterly dependent on a critical mass of players. Every player they lose and every player they gain is critical to the ecosystem. Everything they can do to preserve the hardcore nature of the game while tempering the asshattery is a good thing. You can pretend otherwise, but EVE's day of reckoning is coming. It won't be dramatic. It will be a slow, steady bleed of players tired of the status quo, the asshattery, and the never ending defense of the indefensible. It will be a slow, steady bleed of players who realize that they can get online and have immediate space fighting fun without the torturous grinding and clicking that EVE offers.
I don't agree with everything Ripard writes or with every solution he proposes. But he has a generally good point in this current posting theme, EVE has a toxic brand identity. That's not a good thing, no matter how you spin it. |

Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1297
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:52:00 -
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The only funny thing going on in this thread is the "chewbacca defense" squad of white knights defending abhorant human being playing the same game as I play.
/me ignores questions from friends that don't play this game who have caught wind of it. Could be a big stink for CCP to deal with in the press soon.
Roll on March 27th I guess.
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |

ShipSpin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:52:00 -
[418] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?
If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?
If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?
What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?
Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?
In my opinion your examples are a bit of a stretch Malcanis. This is disapproval of psychological abuse, arguably bordering on torture, and not someone's personal disapproval of another individual's lifestyle. That being said, harassment is still against the law in the US (even if it's only a misdemeanor).
Quote: -º 11.443 Harassment. A person commits a petty misdemeanor if, with purpose to harass another, he or she: (a) Makes a telephone call without purpose or legitimate communication; or (b) Insults, taunts or challenges another in a manner likely to provoke violent or disorderly response; or (c) Makes repeated communications anonymously or at extremely inconvenient hours, or in offensively coarse language; or (d) Subjects another to an offensive touching; or (e) Engages in any other course of alarming conduct serving no legitimate purpose.
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Wesley Otsdarva
Asuratech Industrial Corp AAA Citizens
11
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:52:00 -
[419] - Quote
Sent it to massively. Tiptoeing around the TOS and EULA so you can have fun by tormenting a player. Willingly or not. Getting on an emotional rollercoaster is easy, getting off is hard. And having people pressuring you to keep going down that path makes it even harder. |

Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
595
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:52:00 -
[420] - Quote
Guys...
First and foremost Jester Trek's report on the bonus round is bias and not completely accurate. So while you're getting all upset try to remember this and the fact this guy willingly gave all his assets away multiple times. At any point he could have left, but chose to stay. And even after everything that happened, at the very end he still considered singing MORE SONGS!
Torture? Are you serious? I wonder why Jester didn't mention waterboarding, or the breaking of fingers/limbs, or the pulling out of teeth.. etc. Oh, probably because it wouldn't fit into his nice comparison. Again, the person had the choice to stay, or continue. It was always up to him; he and he alone. No one tied him down with rope and forced him to play.
I'm not saying this person in particular didn't go through a difficult time, but comparing it to IRL torture is ********, sad and screaming for attention.
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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