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Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:28:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:The people calling for Erotica 1 to be banned based on that recording........why are you not calling for Shadoo and Grath Telkin to be banned also based on the very public recordings of them (by defacto) engaging in what could be perceived to be exactly the same activity?
Please share those links. I haven't heard of them doing anything like that before. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1428
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Erotica1s ingame activities are fine.
It is his out of game activities which are in my view absolutely illegal.
Play that recording to any judge or jury, and explain the context to them, and they will imo certainly find in favor of the plaintiff.
"I will hunt you mother ******* down and gut your ******* asses." -- Sohkar.
And you're going to put this in front of what jury?
I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
513
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:29:00 -
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To those arguing that the assets are owned by CCP, then it falls incumbent on CCP to press charges on Erotica1 for ransoming their ingame proprietary property against an individual who has paid CCPfor use of them, by means of extortion/blackmail occuring OUTSIDE of thee game.
Erotica1s ingame activities are not a cause of dispute. He has aquired those assets legitimately ingame.
What he then does to those people from whom he has aquied them OUTSIDE of the game, is illegal.
Lets say I manage to scam you out of your assets ingame. You transfer them to my character from yours.
Then subsequently I show up at your door or call you at work, and tell you that if you do this ans this, I will return your assets to you.
It breaks numerous stipulations of the EULA and various other less formal publicstions of policy issued by CCP to do so.
There is to be NO external, out of game, involvment with other players in regards to the services that CCP provides ingame.
Erotica1 is treating these people OUTSIDE THE GAME in this fashion, illegally, against the EULA designed to protect players as clients from exactly this kind of conduct. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
14402
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:29:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm.
Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does
Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support?
1 Kings 12:11
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Big Lynx
The Gun Runners
Space Warriors
238
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:30:00 -
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Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage.
finally this scamming *hits strikes back on ero (and maybe on CCP?) |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1762
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:30:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage. Oh ****. 
If CCP does nothing about it, they're basically endorsing it...
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4490
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:30:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage. Good, perhaps people will learn that EVE online is grown folks business and stay in their thempark MMOs all swaddled in cotton safe from the 'griefers'..
Grown folks don't want to pay to be around people such as the kind that the press will have everybody thinking are players in this game.
And if you want to be all about "toughness", I don't see you petitioning CCP for perma-death. As long as it's all a game, nobody has a stance on anything relating to "HTFU".
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Dave Stark
4552
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:31:00 -
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31 pages?
damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it". |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
Nullsec Ninjas
270
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:32:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Neltharak Idrissil wrote:Malcolm from Marketing wrote:[quote=Malcanis]
I recall CCP found their morals pretty easily when Mittens stepped out of line at Fan fest.
Did he break any laws? No.
Did he break any in game rules? No.
Was what he did morally reprehensible on every level? Yes
This scenario with Erotica, while different in it's approach, boils down to the same basic elements and should be taken seriously by CCP. Calling for people to kill themselves IS breaking a law. So yes, yes he did and paid for it. In what country is calling for people to kill themselves against the law? Please link.
It isn't. inciting others to drive someone to suicide probably is.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
526
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage. Good, perhaps people will learn that EVE online is grown folks business and stay in their thempark MMOs all swaddled in cotton safe from the 'griefers'..
The sh*t that goes on in this game has nothing to do with 'grown folks', in fact it's quite the opposite. Cyber bullying has nothing to do with scamming and it has nothing at ALL to do with an 'adult' game. How you ever get to this notion is completely beyond me. In what weird world do you live where behavior like this, online or not, is considered normal?
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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
2447
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:33:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:31 pages?
damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it".
And then carry the charade on for personal pleasure and ego-stroking.
I don't see how you can realistically justify the extent of the situation they put this guy through. The rest of it was purely for enjoyment. Some people find that objectionable.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
152
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support?
Asking for some here to recognize ration, reason and to conceptualize abject concepts objectively, can be an uphill battle against a mudslide. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
1406
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:34:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage. Oh ****. If CCP does nothing about it, they're basically endorsing it...
I know whatcha mean, man. I feel the same way about GLBT discrimination and homophobia. If you aren't doing anything about it, you endorse it.
Say, have you marched in a pride parade, donated money to GLBT support orgs, or other such things? I mean if not, you're basically endorsing GLBT discrimination.
The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Lia Mandel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support?
Well, on matters like this I would have the expectation of a CSM member to have a clear position and not playing Switzerland.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17426
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:35:00 -
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Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage.
Sneaky gets it.
sneaky (via the massively comments sections) wrote:
Elsewhere in a COD lobby near you....
It's not news, it's not even new, people have been abusing each other via the medium of online games and chat rooms for years. It's not unique to Eve.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
1265
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:35:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying#In_Gaming
According to the law the only criminal in this case is the contestant that made threats of RL Violence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_18_of_the_United_States_Code
CCP should stay as far away from this as possible and let the local police handle any threats if the Bonus Room operators feel threatened.
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Anslo
Scope Works
4564
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support?
You have not been advocating a middle ground.
In this situation, there is no middle ground. This is not just about scamming. Scam are a part of eve, that will not change.
This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'
This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4490
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support?
Well your comparison of the opinions around this matter to that of anti-gay mentalities from page 2 kinda reeked of red herring. Such as it was, I have seen that tactic in other arguments around political matters, the "oh so you want to crack down on (insert protected group here)" track.
For this reason, I stopped reading your posts at page 2 and saw this one I'm responding to. I hope you will debate the matter more openly from here on.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:36:00 -
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^^: I don't think he cares about a potential Timothy McVeigh in the making liking/disliking/reading his posts.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Send this and other recordings to Wired, PCGamer and other gaming/virtual related sites and publications
They'll have a field day printing bad press all over this.
Who would that hurt and who would that benefit?
Would it benefit the victim of the scam? Hell no, the victim doesn't get their possessions back and the public humilation would make it worse / can't be removed.
Would it benefit Erotica 1? Possibly it gives him notoriety and it won't remove his morally ambiguous gains.
Would it benefit CCP? No its a PR nightmare waiting to happen. This kind of baying for blood isn't sated with a simple banning either.
Would it benefit the playerbase/game? No it will inevitably reduce the sandboxiness of the game as more rules are put in place to prevent such a disaster from happening again.
It hurts all of us and makes you literally eve cancer for suggesting it. Thanks for making the case against allowing npc alts to post stronger though.
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Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage
216
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:37:00 -
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Lia Mandel wrote:Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support? Well, on matters like this I would have the expectation of a CSM member to have a clear position and not playing Switzerland.
I would expect a CSM member to have no opinion and just moderate the forum so that it does not devolve into name calling. I wouldn't expect a blue tag opinion either as that should be discussed with legal and not published on the forum. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
161
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:37:00 -
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If you listen to the full recording it is pretty obvious that if there is any bullying going on there, it isn't Erotica or his agents doing it.
Throughout the entire thing Erotica 1 and his agents are polite and courteous to Sohkar. Then Sohkar decided that he should win the bonus round without even finishing it. When Erotica wouldn't let him make up his own rules for the game, he lost it and started ranting and spewing expletives all over the place. And later on he got bored of the expletives and decided to start using racial slurs instead.
For those of you blindly accepting the words of an obvious slander piece, go start the recording at 1 hour and 45 minutes to hear for yourself how much of an innocent victim Sohkar really is.
Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2375
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:37:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:To those arguing that the assets are owned by CCP, then it falls incumbent on CCP to press charges on Erotica1 for ransoming their ingame proprietary property against an individual who has paid CCPfor use of them, by means of extortion/blackmail occuring OUTSIDE of thee game.
CCP could take such action if they judge themselves to have been harmed by such false claims, but they are in no way obligated to do so.
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Never forget. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
14407
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:37:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:31 pages?
damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it".
The mob demands blood
1 Kings 12:11
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
513
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:37:00 -
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You dont seem to understand how courts work.
Aany threats Sohkar made can be tried in separate cases. Thats fine and Erotica1s prerogative to pursue.
They do not however absolve Erotica1 of his own conduct or legal culpability.
Second of all, and as would invariably be the case for the defence if those charges where brought against Sohkar, is that he was under duress caused by Erotica1 in the first place, at the time that he made them. This is substantiated further by even his wife entreating the perpetrators to desist.
You are underestimating the severity of this situation.
This is some very serious **** that goes well beyond forum trolling. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
526
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:38:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage. Sneaky gets it. sneaky (via the massively comments sections) wrote:
Elsewhere in a COD lobby near you....
It's not news, it's not even new, people have been abusing each other via the medium of online games and chat rooms for years. It's not unique to Eve.
Yeah except in a COD lobby you can just disconnect and find a new lobby. Not so easy when some dude has all your stuff (whether you gave it voluntarily or not) in a game where having a lot of stuff is the point of the game.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
2500
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:38:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
You have not been advocating a middle ground.
In this situation, there is no middle ground. This is not just about scamming. Scam are a part of eve, that will not change.
This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'
This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.
I hear what your saying, I even understand it to the point of almost agreeing
But what about ragaholics like the caller?
He (and he is far far from alone) should just be allowed to say what he wishes and do as he likes?
THe knife should cut both ways.
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Drone 16
Law Dogz
53
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:39:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support? Asking for some here to recognize ration, reason and to conceptualize abject concepts objectively, can be an uphill battle against a mudslide.
It's not a lynch mob, it is public censure. Many people find what was done to that person to be morally reprehensible and want it known. Malcanis, you don't, that's fine, but don't show contempt for their feelings because you don't share their position.
You aren't above the fray because you are just "that cool", you aren't emotionally engaged because this is not a "hot button" issue to you. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
5284
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:39:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:
The only hoops you that are being jumped through are the ones that you are your friends are frantically skipping through to rationalize outright cruelty. Sure the victim walked into it, sure he should be fleeced, this is Eve not "Hello Kitty" but that recording goes far beyond that.
You defend it because you identify more strongly with what Erotica1 did and you support that type of behavior in the game. Just be honest and say it.
Son you don't know me so don't act like you do. i wouldn't do what Erotica did, because i don't gain enjoyment from that kind of thing. But Erotica didn't do any kind of real crime or break any EVE rules IMO. EVE is supposed to be terribly harsh and only the mentally sound and stout should be playing it.
What gets on my nerves (in and out of game) is this weak-knee'd , irresponsible "oh woe is me" victim mentality people have. Earlier in this thread i posted my casino experiences and this is about the same thing: some dumb dude got greed then got...well, GOT for it.
And then you legions of gullible enablers come out of the wood work yelling 'that's so wrong' at the guy pulling the scam rather than saying what they should...GROW UP (to the so called 'victim' who is a grown man).
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1431
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:39:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'
This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.
"Lets make it about you the capsuleer, not you the person..." -- Bonus room agent
"I will hunt you mother ******* down and gut your ******* asses." -- Sohkar.
I couldn't agree more Anslo.
I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:39:00 -
[630] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:The people calling for Erotica 1 to be banned based on that recording........why are you not calling for Shadoo and Grath Telkin to be banned also based on the very public recordings of them (by defacto) engaging in what could be perceived to be exactly the same activity?
Oh hush you no better than that. Gankers and scammers and such are total scum. You can tell because the database numbers attached to that character say so!
My point is none the less valid. |
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