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Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
623
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:29:00 -
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Hey guys, let's get CCP to do something for us again, cause like we can't do it ourselves and while we're at it let's huff and puff on the forums :carebears: Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
25
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:29:00 -
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Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it is okay.
But I'm pretty sure Cyberbullying is illegal. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
875
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:30:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:No, there is not. Exactly as I expected.
The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find.
That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems.
There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3682
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:30:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it is okay.
But I'm pretty sure Cyberbullying is illegal.
Good thing it's no such thing, then. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
675
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:32:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:[your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false. It was an error in haste on my part, now corrected. |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
25
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:32:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Get over yourself. So you think it was right to call out Sokhur for his reaction (because that's what my response related to)? Sorry, but I don't see how what he did was any different to what happens on a daily basis and none of it really belongs in interaction between adults in a game.
None of it belongs.
But you need to look at who started the fire and kept adding fuel to it.
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Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:33:00 -
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Well, I commonly forward information to several news agencies about real world events and since this crossed over to the real world I forwarded the information. Hopefully one of them will do a piece on cyberbullying and how responsible CCP is for all this. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
439
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:33:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Hope that's not too difficult since they were linked to earlier and I just can't see them.
What form that vindication takes is immaterial to me, in regards to the fact that I enjoy when the abused gets one back on the abuser. It is not his suffering I enjoy, in anycase. Your sense of justice scares me. That was not a complement salvos, take your ******* like back If in doubt...do...excessively. |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
18
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:34:00 -
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my opinion on this is the simple
1 - The Victim is at fault for falling for the scam .Scamming should stay legal and a legit method in game.
2 - The scammer went to far , out of some narcissistic need , and should be punished not for the legit scam. But for taking it too far with the 2 hours of humiliation that came afterwards.
3 - CCP need to implement a guideline policy for these situations .SCAMMING SHOULD STAY LEGAL , but PROLONGED TEAR EXTRACTION , should BE ADVISED AGAINST. It should be understood if you take it TOO FAR (as in this case) THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3682
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:34:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Get over yourself. So you think it was right to call out Sokhur for his reaction (because that's what my response related to)? Sorry, but I don't see how what he did was any different to what happens on a daily basis and none of it really belongs in interaction between adults in a game. None of it belongs. But you need to look at who started the fire and kept adding fuel to it.
You do realize that, to enter a bonus round, that person must approach E1's isk doubling service first? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Krants
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:35:00 -
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I hope that CCP comes down hard on this. If not outright banning perpetrators then at least modifying EULA in a way so this would be considered a major offence in the future.
I've got 2 problems with the whole bonus room concept: 1. It uses EvE ecosystem as a honeypot. It filters out the weak and susceptible so that they could be coer... persuaded to join out of game voice comms. 2. They use TS, an out of game, unsupervised and unpoliced solution, to abuse victims for hours and hours. If you recollect two weeks ago CCP contacted a law enforcement to possibly prevent a suicide. Why? Because a player had announced in local chat that he'd blow his brains out. It was all it took for CCP to intervene. Now with this TS "bonus room" we've got an unsupervised system that consist of a victim and X number of perpetrators who's main goal is to make emotional abuse last as long as possible. And they will do what is necessary to debase the victim psychologically so that he/she would break for the lulz. Do you believe that "bonus room" perpetrators would contact CCP or law enforcement if a victim would threaten self-harm, like really?
You can scam all you want in EvE sandbox, but the moment you use EvE as a tool of coercion your rights for "emergent gameplay" should end.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1631
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:35:00 -
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Druthlen wrote:Well, I commonly forward information to several news agencies about real world events and since this crossed over to the real world I forwarded the information. Hopefully one of them will do a piece on cyberbullying and how responsible CCP is for all this.
CNN should be happy to cover it 2 weeks straight now that the flight 370 tragedy can no longer be exploited to sell ads. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Clara Pond
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:36:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I think I understand your point. I guess the closest analogy I can think of is when you're at a comedy club to watch a comedian vs. the moment the comedian starts heckling you, hard. Of course it's comedy, but you really wish it didn't turn out that way..
To use a similar analogy, Sohkar is the sad person sitting feeding coins into the slots, hoping for that big payout and telling themselves they can beat the house. Along comes the management with a free drink and a smile, egging them on.
Sohkar could have got up from that chair, told the manager with dignity and pride exactly what he thought of him, and walked out of the casino, like so many others. Instead he chose to hurl racial abuse and hulksmash until he was escorted out by security.
And Jester waves a placard and a megaphone with the increasingly violent protest outside the casino, calling for casinos to be closed to protect people who won't protect themselves.
Meanwhile, a nice little old lady wins the jackpot and buys all her grandkids a new Vindicator. |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
27
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:38:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:No, there is not. Exactly as I expected. The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find. That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems. There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false.
Shut up about real life laws to try to justify the actions of degenerates.
CCP is the law and its customers are the voters.
If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.
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Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
623
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:39:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:my opinion on this is the simple
1 - The Victim is at fault for falling for the scam .Scamming should stay legal and a legit method in game.
2 - The scammer went to far , out of some narcissistic need , and should be punished not for the legit scam. But for taking it too far with the 2 hours of humiliation that came afterwards.
3 - CCP need to implement a guideline policy for these situations .SCAMMING SHOULD STAY LEGAL , but PROLONGED TEAR EXTRACTION , should BE ADVISED AGAINST. It should be understood if you take it TOO FAR (as in this case) THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES
The thing is though it was the "victim's" choice to stay and participate. So now what? He made a conscious decision to continue. At any point throughout the "scam" he could have left, but he didn't for about 2 hours.
It is the fault of the victim for the scam, however, it is also the fault of the victim for staying and allegedly/supposedly being used for "prolonged tear extraction." Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
676
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You do realize that, to enter a bonus round, that person must approach E1's isk doubling service first? The entire scam, from beginning to end, which escalates to outside the game, is a selection process for victims.
Only those stupid or otherwise impaired enough to participate in the bonus round, ever approach Erotica1's doubling service in the first place. These stupid or labile victims are then exploited for purposes of enjoying their suffering in the out of game Bonus Room event by Erotica1 and his associated escrow functionaries, and other people inclined to enjoying the sound of another persons distress and suffering over the voice channel. This, ofc, after they have already been (legitimately) parted from ALL their assets.
It is predatory on the community of EVE, and its entire scam structure is designed to attract and entrap those who are stupid or labile enough to A) not be likely to overcome the ridiculous and asinine hurdles and demands placed on them in the Bonus Room process (for the enjoyment of all persons listening in) B) for some reason incapable of understanding that they are being exploited and taken advantage of in a malicious manner with harmful intent. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
538
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:40:00 -
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Druthlen wrote:Well, I commonly forward information to several news agencies about real world events and since this crossed over to the real world I forwarded the information. Hopefully one of them will do a piece on cyberbullying and how responsible CCP is for all this.
You mean about how CCP has precise zero responsibility for this and that trying to blame them for a situation they had no control over is absolutely ludicrous. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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Lucretia DeWinter
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
115
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:40:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I think I understand your point. I guess the closest analogy I can think of is when you're at a comedy club to watch a comedian vs. the moment the comedian starts heckling you, hard. Of course it's comedy, but you really wish it didn't turn out that way.. To use a similar analogy, Sohkar is the sad person sitting feeding coins into the slots, hoping for that big payout and telling themselves they can beat the house. Along comes the management with a free drink and a smile, egging them on. Sohkar could have got up from that chair, told the manager with dignity and pride exactly what he thought of him, and walked out of the casino, like so many others. Instead he chose to hurl racial abuse and hulksmash until he was escorted out by security. And Jester waves a placard and a megaphone with the increasingly violent protest outside the casino, calling for casinos to be closed to protect people who won't protect themselves. Meanwhile, a nice little old lady wins the jackpot and buys all her grandkids a new Vindicator.
Not entirely...
If The House had already taken all his money and fed it into the slot machine, and told him the only way he was getting it back would be to win the costume contest dressed as a chicken singing Waltzing Matilda whilst streaming live to the internet, then it would be more accurate.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
875
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:40:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:3 - CCP need to implement a guideline policy for these situations .SCAMMING SHOULD STAY LEGAL , but PROLONGED TEAR EXTRACTION , should BE ADVISED AGAINST. It should be understood if you take it TOO FAR (as in this case) THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES
They already have a policy on harassment and if anything, they should clarify what that means and include any particular boundary within the existing policy.
To me that would be the neatest way to deal with this and then move on. No bans, just a line relating to harassment that is a little broader than it currently is.
What I would not like though is for limits on game play to be put in.
We don't need more protections, just clearly guidelines around boundary issues that help everyone determine when something should be stopped, not because CCP has a better moral compass than the players, but because things like the bonus room, asking ransom victims in game to sing, etc. should be allowed as long as they comply.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3683
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:41:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You do realize that, to enter a bonus round, that person must approach E1's isk doubling service first? The entire scam, from beginning to end, which escalates to outside the game, is a selection process for victims. Only those stupid or otherwise impaired enough to participate in the bonus round, ever approach Erotica1's doubling service in the first place. These stupid or labile victims are then exploited for purposes of enjoying their suffering in the out of game Bonus Room event. This, ofc, after they have already been (legitimately) parted from ALL their assets.
Utterly false. I myself have had my isk doubled by Erotica1 twice. It's perfectly legit, provided you can actually read. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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YZertim
M. Corp Engineering Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:41:00 -
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CCP should think about the impact on the game if this sort of thing was covered by mainstream media. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
538
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:41:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:No, there is not. Exactly as I expected. The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find. That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems. There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false. Shut up about real life laws to try to justify the actions of degenerates. CCP is the law and its customers are the voters. If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.
So Mob rule then. Trust me you really don't want to see where that can go. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
95
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:42:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:
If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.
The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
235
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:43:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Something that I always wonder about such threadnaughts, is how much of it is a small handful of very prolific posters driving the post count, compared to number of posters having an opinion.
Say the mods are following the thread, there is little way one person can keep track; I do wonder if they have tools to "deconstruct" the thread and get a feel for how many people are really talking. Just as an example, imagine if the mods could pull out all Kaarous and Salvos posts (no offense guys, you are just good examples), and see how many pages the thread drops by just from those two poster alone. http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1/c That is really kinda awesome, thanks :) |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
27
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:44:00 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:
If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.
The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.
This 137 page thread and multiple news articles disagree. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110595
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:45:00 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote: The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.
...until it happens to them. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:45:00 -
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You seem to forget there is a hostage in all of this. The persons online assets. Which are forfeited if he doesn't play along. He believes at least for a time he can recover his stuff if he goes along with the humiliating hazing like activities. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
875
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:45:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Shut up about real life laws to try to justify the actions of degenerates.
CCP is the law and its customers are the voters.
If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.
You might need to go back to early in the thread to see the history of this. I'm not trying to justify anything through the law. That was done by others, not me.
I agree totally on CCP (and more importantly the player community) being the end of the issue.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Clara Pond
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:46:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:If The House had already taken all his money and fed it into the slot machine, and told him the only way he was getting it back would be to win the costume contest dressed as a chicken singing Waltzing Matilda whilst streaming live to the internet, then it would be more accurate.
I loled IRL. Quite so, and were our contestant to willingly suit up and start flapping, we would not say he was being subjected to torture. We would say that he was a consenting adult making a choice, and possibly even having fun doing it.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1426
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:46:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:No, there is not. Exactly as I expected. The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find. That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems. There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false.
Hey, if people feel THAT strongly that Ero 1 has broken laws and deserves punishment...well, these people need to contact the local authorities to get the ball rolling.
Specifically, you'd likely need to talk to your local DA. Should you be able to convince them that there's a case to pick up, they'll be able to subpoena CCP and build a criminal case.
Or, more likely, the DA will go "lol whut, this is video games" and laugh uproariously. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
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