And to quote the "victim" in this case:So if even the "victim" has stated Erotica 1 should not be banned, how can people still not see that this is CCP responding to a CSM members personal vendetta and the outcry of the public, not the needs of the "victim"?

Let's drop the act. We all know why I keep pushing for answers and why we will never get any. This has got nothing to do with rules against harassment, it's PR, plain and simple. A CSM member started a witch hunt, the community got stirred up into a rage shitstorm and CCP buckled to public pressure to save face.

There is a difference between using the game as a tool to inflict real life malice, grief and humiliation versus someone ranting on twitter or quibbling with another player.

Dorn Val looks at your corporation and wants you to point to the doll and show everyone where the miner bumpers touched you :)

so why then do players who have in game actions feel the need to take it to coms and ask for mayo smeared victory pictures. We can go round in a massive circle all day on this and I guess the only people that know are CCP. We can ask them for details and clarifications in fact we did and the response was the post by Falcon with a few follow ups from Guard. CCP are not at liberty nor do they have to give us any more information than they want to. They clearly identified that they examine these things on a case by case basis and also clearly sated that for any situation where you feel threatened IRL to report it to your local law enforcement agency.

The bonus round stuff was an extraordinary case which I agree would be helpfull if we got more details on their lines of thinking, but we know we won't get that. The bottom line here is that this is not a democracy, we play and access this game at CCP's pleasure and when we reach a stage where we don't like what they are peddling there is always the biomass option. However to think that we are in some kind of democracy where we can demand answers from CCP is delusional.

The rule is the same as it's always been.

You push CCP's buttons and you get stomped. Happens all the time. From locked posts to perma-bans.

There's no ambiguity here. Just butt hurt on a massive scale by whiners that like to play 'what if' games. Outliers are not the norm in this game. And neither is common sense, apparently.

Mr Epeen

The rule is the same as it's always been.

You push CCP's buttons and you get stomped. Happens all the time. From locked posts to perma-bans.

There's no ambiguity here. Just butt hurt on a massive scale by whiners that like to play 'what if' games. Outliers are not the norm in this game. And neither is common sense, apparently.

Mr Epeen

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Tell you what.

Right up your questions, and address them to CCP directly.

It just shows CCP will cave to the masses despite whats right or wrong.

Look, Lucas, you know my character hates your character with a passion, ingame but what you are doing here on the forums deserves not only mad props but also very much respect.

The ambiguity comes with how far into third party services the rules extend. Previously this was "not at all" as clearly stated by GMs. Now, it's clear that has changed. So what has it changed to?

they tend to say " nope" and lock them because they know they were in the wrong. doing so is futile

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

they tend to say " nope" and lock them because they know they were in the wrong. doing so is futile

Tell you what.

Write up your questions, and address them to CCP directly.

You are asking people who try to answer them, but are not actually in any position to do so.
Hence, everything they answer, is just their opinion.

Write em up and address them to CCP.

Tell you what.

Write up your questions, and address them to CCP directly.

You are asking people who try to answer them, but are not actually in any position to do so.
Hence, everything they answer, is just their opinion.

Write em up and address them to CCP.

Don't feed that little troll, especially not with posts that make sense... It's like throwing water on a gremlin while feeding him after 10PM.]

The rule is the same as it's always been.

You push CCP's buttons and you get stomped. Happens all the time. From locked posts to perma-bans.

There's no ambiguity here. Just butt hurt on a massive scale by whiners that like to play 'what if' games. Outliers are not the norm in this game. And neither is common sense, apparently.

Mr Epeen

I've already answered this for you several times. You don't like my answers so you keep asking the same thing. Ask CCP via a petition / ticket and see how it comes back.

Or... I can continue to post them here. That way, CCP gets to read them, other players get to read them, you get to read them and I get to continue my right to freedom of speech. I think I'll go with my option, but honestly, thanks very much for the kind suggestion.

But to you as well, thanks for the suggestion, I do appreciate you looking out for me and ensuring I have a clear idea of my options.

Too late

Don't understand why you all are trying to debate with Lucas Kell and Danalee. It has been made very clear to us how CCP feels. It has been made very clear to both of them individually by several of you. They are either trolls or the dumbest people I have ever met.

They are either trolls or the dumbest people I have ever met.

Interesting statement from a man playing a game loaded with outliers, especially when compared to the rest of the mmo scene.

Seriously.

My recommendation is that you formulate your questions into as clear, concise and intelligible a numbered list as possible, and then post it here in this thread with a clear header addressing it to CCP.

Nobody else here can answer the questions you are asking. Nobody else here is in any position to answer them.
Everyone elses answer is just a matter of subjective opinion, to which they personally are entitled.

Arguing against US, does NOT change CCPs position on this issue.

Write up your stuff, and address it to CCP, here in this thread.

how CCP was forced to feel by the masses and corrupt CSM you mean?

how CCP was forced to feel by the masses and corrupt CSM you mean?

You'll have a hard time making your case for "malice, grief, and humiliation" when not even the "victim" involved feels this way.

You could make a case that CCP no longer wants bonus rooms and people being mean toward each other ... well, "just because" CCP wants it that way ... but it seems the opposite is true.