I dont know if you did any math there but:

http://imgur.com/Q5XLbYv (and yes those measurements for the radii are to scale)
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And no matter what range you choose there will always be holes that you cannot reach properly.

Dear CCP Fozzie,

Please stop this. Stop promoting coward ways of PVP. We already have "blanket on your face" called Falcon and EC drones, utterly ******** tank modules like dual X-large ASB on ships so ppl can deagro and dock/jump through gate. With this kind of approach you are making nearly every kiting ship useless against BCs. Could you please tell me the outcome of engagement between Prophecy and NOMEN for example after MMJD will be introduced? Can you please define the role of Warp Disruptor in future? We already have anchorable device with similar functionality for people who want to MJD out in any other class then BS. While I understand the reason of fitting such module to field command ships, I don't see any reasonable argument why it must be present on other BCs.

Please do us all a favor and stop trying to re-invent the wheel. We already have it and it is working. Please focus all your efforts and precious time (that we all pay for) on something better then yet another module or ship (like there are few disposable ships in this game).

I feel like maybe some of the people in the thread aren't ACTUALLY familiar with how MJD work. I wish to help.

"It is just a git out of jail free card." "People will just be uncatchable." "I don't want to have to fit my ship for anything but gate camping, so this ruins the entire balance of the game!"

If you fall into these groups I think I might be able to ease some of your worries. First is that it take 12 seconds for them to take off. If you can't catch them in 12 seconds when there is no way you could catch them before the leave a bubble now. Lets look at the math. Lets say you have a tackle in your gang who travels at 3k/s. They would have to be more than 45km away to escape the scram. Lets look at it another way. On the UniWiki they have the Drake's align time at 12.2sec, so if you have a scram fit there is no noticeable difference. Sure the long point isn't guaranteeing you that care-bear kill anymore, but hey we need to get better anyway.

Use numbers. They help. Trying to insult someone when you cannot refute an argument doesn't help anybody.

Edit: No point in arguing with stupid.

No I didn't do any math, those were just quick-n-dirty jobs to illustrate the concept. Look at it more as "This kind of jump is closer range then you started." "That kind of jump is longer range then you started." and so forth.

My main point is that 100km is so far out of a BC's effective combat range that it has no useful purpose in normal small gang fights.

So if I'm flying in a huge blob with scram ships and enough logis to keep the scram ships up in brawl range then this isn't an issue for me, I just have my scram brick tanked proteus scram it while my 12 guardians rep him. I'll bear this useful advice in mind as I mourn the death of solo.

Use realistic application, it helps. I'm sorry but getting your nose bent out of place after trying to patronise everyone whos concerns you don't understand is funny.

Your logic was/is completely flawed on the basis that your suggesting the only thing that matters is whether or not you can scramble somebody.

Anybody with real experience on the subject knows how much more to the discussion there is than that. Such as your argument only applies if you have a dedicated tackler, which many genuine small gangs don't, and obviously soloers definately don't. Or secondly you're assuming it's a :highfive: moment getting into scramble range, which for agile ships trying to avoid getting ganked in hostile territory, it usually isn't. Or how about a situation where your stretching a fight and the frigate you've decided to yolo after the BC has to minimize his transversal and head straight back into the hostiles friends to tackle? GL with that.

Of course.....those aren't elements interpreted very effectively on a calculator.

What matters if you are trying to get someone tackled if they have a MJD? Why a scram matters. That is the counter, so of course it is important. Same as a MWD. If you can't deal with either of those then you really need to work on your strategies.

You think that a ship with a long point can't beat a ship with a mwd and therefore this change is no difference because longpoints don't do anything anyway? This is genuinely your argument?

No. That is not. I'm sorry that it was difficult to understand. Let me try again.

There are counters to these mods. The counter is well known. If your complaint is that you think the MMDJ will be overpowered because you can't keep up, then you should fit a scram and turn it on every time they try to spool. If you really want them to suffer you can even wait until they activate it so that they keep wasting cap, you have 12 seconds to do it.

It's not that a ship with a long point can't beat a ship with a MWD. I never even come close to saying anything like that.

The point is that the ideas of the MMJD being completely overpowered or not having a counter are ridiculous. As are the arguments that new mods need to be in place to counter them. The numbers are to back that claim up. That is how you make and discuss arguments. With facts.

What matters if you are trying to get someone tackled if they have a MJD? Why a scram matters. That is the counter, so of course it is important. Same as a MWD. If you can't deal with either of those then you really need to work on your strategies.

Sometimes people will be fit in a way that outclasses you or at least doesn't give you a free loot pinata. You will have to deal with that. Don't expect CCP to keep a stale boring meta so that you can feel like a 1337 solo PVPer.

These are some of the saddest misinterpretations I have ever seen. .

Man what fits, or scenarios, are you people coming up with that makes the Tier-3s super pwnmobiles when you add in a once-every-3-minutes 100km blink? This isn't rhetorical, I really have to know what makes the Teir-3s that much more overpowered than Command ships


Is it like, sniping in lowsec? Because if you think that would be game-breakingly overpowered you can do this in a battleship with: better tank, same damage, same range, align time within 10% of an attack BC, with an MJD and MWD - which would actually be nontrivial on most of the sniping tier-3s.

Enlighten me.

Congratulations you hit MJD early enough so that you can avoid the last 2-3 bombs...
and die anyway because you increased your signature radius hitting MJD.

Dear CCP Fozzie,

Please stop this. Stop promoting coward ways of PVP. We already have "blanket on your face" called Falcon and EC drones, utterly ******** tank modules like dual X-large ASB on ships so ppl can deagro and dock/jump through gate. With this kind of approach you are making nearly every kiting ship useless against BCs. Could you please tell me the outcome of engagement between Prophecy and NOMEN for example after MMJD will be introduced? Can you please define the role of Warp Disruptor in future? We already have anchorable device with similar functionality for people who want to MJD out in any other class then BS. While I understand the reason of fitting such module to field command ships, I don't see any reasonable argument why it must be present on other BCs.

Please do us all a favor and stop trying to re-invent the wheel. We already have it and it is working. Please focus all your efforts and precious time (that we all pay for) on something better then yet another module or ship (like there are few disposable ships in this game).

All this does is give brawling ships a fighting chance against the hordes of idiots in Nomens and Ishtars like yourself.

Users of low-commitment tactics that prioritize the ability to run away over the ability to hold their target will occasionally lose kills when fighting a small subset of ships because they were afraid to risk close action.

How terrible and imbalanced.

No I didn't do any math, those were just quick-n-dirty jobs to illustrate the concept. Look at it more as "This kind of jump is closer range then you started." "That kind of jump is longer range then you started." and so forth.

My main point is that 100km is so far out of a BC's effective combat range that it has no useful purpose in normal small gang fights.

Man what fits, or scenarios, are you people coming up with that makes the Tier-3s super pwnmobiles when you add in a once-every-3-minutes 100km blink? This isn't rhetorical, I really have to know what makes the Teir-3s that much more overpowered than Command ships


Is it like, sniping in lowsec? Because if you think that would be game-breakingly overpowered you can do this in a battleship with: better tank, same damage, same range, align time within 10% of an attack BC, with an MJD and MWD - which would actually be nontrivial on most of the sniping tier-3s.

Enlighten me.

a 50km jump would ultimately give pilots more options than a 100km jump.

I'm completely against the idea of the module altogether, but, I agree with the above, if it is intended to have combat application as opposed to simply a gtfo module then a 50km range makes much more sense.