Camper's wont get much use out of a MMJD, but they will be adversely affected by it, although by a smaller degree than they are probably imagining right now.

You cant reach a ship that has used its mjd. It is already aligned and can warp instantly. You either get in its scram range or it is warping out. A remote seboed interceptor waiting at the mjd landing point cannot point the ship using mjd unless the ship using mjd screws up completely.

There are systems camped by sebo artynados. MMJD makes them much harder to tackle (and you can already only tackle them when they arent paying attention)

Than bump him....I mean wtf, its like people are trying to say anything to make this mod look like the end of the world. Bump him hard and burn towards his potential landing spot with a OH MWD and OH your long point. If your not alone then its that much easier.

Than bump him....I mean wtf, its like people are trying to say anything to make this mod look like the end of the world. Bump him hard and burn towards his potential landing spot with a OH MWD and OH your long point. If your not alone then its that much easier.

As someone who uses BCs and CSs often, I like this module.

One of the reasons why this module is not overpowered is the three minute cool down timer which I don't recall anyone mentioning, except that they wished the cool down time frame was shorter. My plans to counter the MJD on ABCs is to abuse these 180s by feinting and then focus on catching the ships while the pilots are waiting for the timer to run out so that they can MJD again. During that three minute window, bubbles and warp disruptors will work just fine on them.

As someone who uses BCs and CSs often, I like this module.

One of the reasons why this module is not overpowered is the three minute cool down timer which I don't recall anyone mentioning, except that they wished the cool down time frame was shorter. My plans to counter the MJD on ABCs is to abuse these 180s by feinting and then focus on catching the ships while the pilots are waiting for the timer to run out so that they can MJD again. During that three minute window, bubbles and warp disruptors will work just fine on them.

Show me a Thorax that can solo a decent brutix.. myrmidon.. drake.. heck even a ferox..

Brutix and Myrm I agree with, both are too tanky to do so. Cyclone is also pushing it, depending on how it's fit.

A dual rep thorax will be able to tank the others, while wearing down whatever tank they have.

For example, a drake can put out 534 DPS, assuming max skills, and T2 HAMs firing navy scourge. However, not all of that DPS will apply, leaving you with about 350ish DPS. Then once you account for resists you are looking at about 120 DPS. That's tankable with a single rep on a thorax (~150 DPS rep with a T2 MAR).

The biggest problem isn't killing the BC. It's killing the BC before his friends turn up, or if you are fighting on a gate, him deagro-ing.



So I guess maybe I should have rephrased what I said.

I haven't seen many BCs that did not then turn out to be bait for a fleet.

Here is something many of you are forgetting. MJD blooms your sig radius, but does not increase your speed for the spool up timer. And because it is considered a prop mod, it cant be used at the same time as an AB or MWD. So for 9-12 seconds, dependent on skills, you are bloomed to 1.5 times your size and stuck at your ships base speed, less so if you change direction before hitting your MJD.

I personally dont see this as OP. Just giving a boost to many ships people previously considered too slow to use because they could not escape if caught in bubbles.

Ok, I'm now caught up with this thread. Thanks for the feedback so far.

I'll be taking the good points brought up in this thread and discussing them with the CSM and the other designers here at the office.

One thing I wanted to make clear is that Micro Jump Drives were never intended to be a battleship only module. When CCP Soniclover introduced them he intended to see how they went and then add more in the future.

I'm seeing two major arguments revolving around the use of MJDs as a disengagement tool.
The fleet level argument I am honestly not swayed by at this time. Providing inexpensive fleet options that don't automatically get wiped when they find themselves in a bad situation is something we consider very valuable. It creates good options for newer FCs to learn with and in particular MMJDs are a very valuable counterbalance to bombs for battlecruisers at the fleet level.
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Im not sure you understand what "he can warp instantly" means.

Or if you are suggesting bumping him before his mjd cycles, im not sure you understand what 100km is.

In general, having a wide variety of possible outcomes for any fight beyond the extreme "We kill them all with minimal losses" and "We lose everyone with minimal kills" is very healthy for EVE's combat environment at all scales.

Battlecruisers have been a little overshadowed by battleships and cruisers in recent months and having the option to use MJDs combined with their dps and low cost should create some interesting chances for clever players to show off their abilities.

i kind of fear for logi's and e-war range ships that like hovering around 60km off the main fight .. just getting jumped on by a heavy tackle brutix that would just rip that ship too shreds in no time...

Ok, I'm now caught up with this thread. Thanks for the feedback so far.

I'll be taking the good points brought up in this thread and discussing them with the CSM and the other designers here at the office.

One thing I wanted to make clear is that Micro Jump Drives were never intended to be a battleship only module. When CCP Soniclover introduced them he intended to see how they went and then add more in the future.

I'm seeing two major arguments revolving around the use of MJDs as a disengagement tool.
The fleet level argument I am honestly not swayed by at this time. Providing inexpensive fleet options that don't automatically get wiped when they find themselves in a bad situation is something we consider very valuable. It creates good options for newer FCs to learn with and in particular MMJDs are a very valuable counterbalance to bombs for battlecruisers at the fleet level.
The argument focused on small gang and solo is more persuasive in this case, although the idea that this module will somehow kill all kiting gameplay is fairly silly. There are definitely situations where Attack Battlecruisers in particular could become a problem with this module, and we will definitely be considering the option of leaving ABCs off the list for the initial release.

In general, having a wide variety of possible outcomes for any fight beyond the extreme "We kill them all with minimal losses" and "We lose everyone with minimal kills" is very healthy for EVE's combat environment at all scales.

Like I said, we'll be taking all this feedback into account. Thanks to all the good posters who can manage to discuss their opinions in a reasonable and coherent manner.

There are definitely situations where Attack Battlecruisers in particular could become a problem with this module, and we will definitely be considering the option of leaving ABCs off the list for the initial release.

There are definitely situations where Attack Battlecruisers in particular could become a problem with this module, and we will definitely be considering the option of leaving ABCs off the list for the initial release.

I'm seeing two major arguments revolving around the use of MJDs as a disengagement tool.
The fleet level argument I am honestly not swayed by at this time. Providing inexpensive fleet options that don't automatically get wiped when they find themselves in a bad situation is something we consider very valuable. It creates good options for newer FCs to learn with and in particular MMJDs are a very valuable counterbalance to bombs for battlecruisers at the fleet level.
The argument focused on small gang and solo is more persuasive in this case, although the idea that this module will somehow kill all kiting gameplay is fairly silly. There are definitely situations where Attack Battlecruisers in particular could become a problem with this module, and we will definitely be considering the option of leaving ABCs off the list for the initial release.