Yes because doing the jumps in the Dev Blog in 14 hours is totally reasonable!!



Since you'll not get the point here I'll elucidate: We can still put a serious dent into power projection without going to this extreme. The problem with power projection is that people will hot drop from half a galaxy away in a few minutes. You don't need to make jumping several times take days or even weeks to solve that problem.

To be clear for the completely dumb, chances are that 14 hour jump time the previous commenter noted will likely mean you take 2 days to do it. If you have to jump even more, for example you are doing logistics work, it will take several days if you are moving several loads.

Or, as I noted previously big alliances/coaltions will get around the problem by using multiple pilots and station traing the ships with full cargo bays. Smaller alliances and/or groups with newer players...they'll suffer the most.

Point 2 seems to be contradicted by point one. You just said deathclone back and forth followed by saying that most people wouldn't do it a couple times a day.

I'm not disagreeing with your points per se though, just that I'm still not seeing a real need to change this "feature"

its so simple.. why didn't i think of this!!

Why is it so bad that your supply chain can actually get disrupted now in 0.0?

[quote=Dalia Rensini][quote=Kalissis][quote=Suzuka A1][quote=CCP Greyscale]



The purpose / intent of these changes is spot on. Limit power projection.

The idea / method proposed is not.

I've always had the opinion that anything should be possible in EVE, maybe extremely difficult/painful but still possible.

1. Just because you don't like the solution, doesn't mean it's not a solution to the problem they're looking to solve. None of the changes as written introduce boredom IMO. If you choose to sit on your hands waiting all the time rather than using the mechanics available - you know, gates - then that's your own fault, not CCP's.

4. Supers and Titans will still have a role. Invulnerable hotdropo'clock mobiles won't be it - but they will have a role. Inventive players (which may or may not include you) can probably find all kinds of ways to use them effectively. Like, say, notice they have Clone Vats and SMAs.

The whole point of jump fatigue changes is that you are not supposed to make those jumps in the first place. They are discouraged and unpleasant (timewasting) experience on purpose and by design.

You, sir, have a very strange definition for "everyone". Try, "everyone = cap pilots in large null alliances"

I think you mean "cap pilots in small alliances"

Large alliances won't be impacted, they'll just establish cross regional caches with jump clones installed at the currently meaningful caches.

So how does this differ from, say, research, manufacturing, doing PI, or even waiting for a cyno to go down?

You, sir, have a very strange definition for "everyone". Try, "everyone = cap pilots in large null alliances"

I think you mean "cap pilots in small alliances"

Large alliances won't be impacted, they'll just establish cross regional caches with jump clones installed at the currently meaningful caches.

Why is it so bad that your supply chain can actually get disrupted now in 0.0?

All I have heard about so far is how nobody will be able to use there supers or caps any more.

NOBODY IS SAYING THAT AT ALL! blah blah blah you are going to have to wait! Else.... blah blah blah !

blah blah blah YOU ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT! blah blah blah !

blah blah blah

This is incredibly relevant.

https://i.imgur.com/6qBO3qA.png

Stolen from somewhere in reddit.

Because the person doesn't understand fatigue.

You jump 5 years. Your fatigue is 6. You have to wait 6 minutes to jump again. But your fatigue will be 5.4. If you jump another 5 light years youre fatigue will now be 5.4**6 = 32.4. That means you can't jump again for 32.4 minutes. To get ride of all that fatigue will take 324 minutes just under 5.5 HOURS.

(Also, convo me in game if you want to start a small alliance and take some space!)

Have fun maintaining those. Fights/Timers can be 23/7, you can only jump about once in this time, so commit to only one fight, whats if there are more then 1?

That's a great idea! EVE Online: Pheobe - The Waiting Game

Sounds like a lot of fun to me!

All I have heard about so far is how nobody will be able to use there supers or caps any more.

NOBODY IS SAYING THAT AT ALL! You can still use your stuff, but if you want to jump around, you are going to have to wait! Else.... USE A GATE!

Logistics guys are all like "I can't use my JF now" YES YOU CAN, YOU ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT! OR USE THE GATE!

You can now have your cap fleet protect your freighters with you.... USING GATES!

You can still build things in null sec without going to jita to buy things. YOU HAVE TO MINE IT (granted, CCP will need to do a bit more tweeking on the low ends in null sec to make it effective)

You can now fire DD's in lowsec!!!!!!!!
You can still own space! you just have to be more careful with it.
The SMART ones will be deploying to the area they want to take given these changes NOW and not waiting.
The SMART people are figuring out logistics NOW and not waiting.
The SMART guys are buying and moving things from jita to systems closer to null sec NOW as they know the market hubs are all about to change.
The SMART ones are already talking to other corps to form smaller alliances and figuring out what space they are going to take with their new alliance NOW and setting up for it.

Be one of the SMART ones!!!!

(Also, convo me in game if you want to start a small alliance and take some space!)

Have fun maintaining those. Fights/Timers can be 23/7, you can only jump about once in this time, so commit to only one fight, whats if there are more then 1?