Oh so this stops you from persistently hot dropping people with no penalties to consider?

I understand fully. I also understand that this is CCPs intent. No more hot drop after hot drop.

Welcome to a nullsec filled with roaming gangs again.

Well goons are convinced that they are going to have a billion JF alts to fuel an empire they have no ability to defend...

Don't take it out if you can't afford to lose it. Number 1 rule of eve.

Seriously does it differ? If you do say, ''research, manufacturing, doing PI,'' you can set your jobs, undock and get into fleet or do whatever you want to in the meantime.

If you are half way through your jump route in a midpoint station somewhere in low sec it is not exactly the same thing.

''or even waiting for a cyno to go down?'' - that takes minutes not hours mate, please.

And? This only prevents you from hurriedly jumping back out with the giant fleet you just jumped in.

Don't take it out if you can't afford to lose it. Number 1 rule of eve.

That very same constraint applies to the hostiles too!

And the big alliances can also rely on a hoards in sub-caps.

Please. The gate feature is absurd. No one is going to move capitals through gates as part of a strategy. They may tactically do it if they have full confidence on the space being safe, but no one will devise a strategy that ever includes a capital fleet gate jump. It's too hard to keep gates secure for the flight times and align times of capitals and the value/risk ratio on a 4B per ship fleet of mega slow ships just doesn't make sense.

CCP Greyscale, is the idea of putting fatigue on a ship hull and not being able to repackage the ship until fatigue is cleared even begin considered? This seems like a decent idea to me but I was wondering if CCP gave it any merit.

Greyscale, doubt this will be seen, but since compared to Fozie and Rise you actually do post in your threads and seem to listen to reason, I'm going to give it a shot anyway.

I really don't understand the need for this nerf/mechanic in the first place. I agree with most people that as the years have progressed the sandbox keeps getting smaller and smaller for the "allowed" behavior. I honestly think that this previous mechanic already had some balance to it. Moving by death by clone already has a cost associated with it, clones aren't cheap especially when you get to the 100mil sp range. You do this a couple times in a day and the cost is going to be significantly more than what it would have been in fuel to move a cap. Keep in mind as well that even if you do this, that cap had to get to your staging point somehow. Ships don't magically appear with when you pod jump...

Personally, what I would like to see is that you guys hold off on this change and wait till things settle down a bit to determine if making this change is really even needed. Remember that you guys wanted to up the isotope cost of traveling because you thought pos usage was going to go way down in Cruis. It was mentioned numerous times that you guys should hold off until things settled down on that front before making a change like that. In this case I think you might be trying to change too much too quickly.

Full discloser, I haven't been in null since 2008ish and have never used this "feature" in the first place. I'm curious if you guys have numbers on much its used currently and if part of the reason for this change is that you wanted to get rid of it in spite of the cap movement issue. I will agree with others that one year is way to harsh. Its not like re doing your attribs beneficial. Once a quarter seems like a good middle ground.

When you say "it" you mean your real life time spent waiting for timers to expire right?

Again, I don't disagree with the notion of limiting hot drops or making hot dropping harder, but the question is does it have to be several hours. And why hammer logistics in a similar manner?

Yup. File it under "can't fix stupid" or "deaf kids just don't listen".

Just want to make it clear that this gives the current blocks an easy 'I win' button as people will have to be organized with lots of allies to stand against an invasion. And the current blocks are organized already. It slows the game down, makes it tougher to get huge fights, and leads to pointless difficulties to newbies and logi people alike.

Any small group that thinks this will help them might want to look closer if you think this will stop people from taking gates to kill you.

What are you talking about, if you fly 50ly just to have some fights, thats whats wrong with EVE right now, that should never ever be the case!

1. Deploy
2. Fight

No need for 50ly jumps. Problem solved.

I believe JFs pilots will only have 1.5 fatigue after the first jump. If I read that correctly. So logistics should be fine.

Power projection is why there are empty spaces in nullsec and large coalitions. Its why nullsec is stagnant.

When Goonswarm calls to remove all caps then you know there's a problem.

CCP you dont want any more players in Eve.
I will Move all my ship to low sec and quit EVE there are so many other on-line game to spend my money on

Please. The gate feature is absurd. No one is going to move capitals through gates as part of a strategy. They may tactically do it if they have full confidence on the space being safe, but no one will devise a strategy that ever includes a capital fleet gate jump. It's too hard to keep gates secure for the flight times and align times of capitals and the value/risk ratio on a 4B per ship fleet of mega slow ships just doesn't make sense.

Just want to make it clear the above post is called 'fear mongering' and should be laughed at.