Great, you're not risk averse and you don't mind defending for 24hrs a day, it'll be easy for you with multi-TZ coverage.

I guess the next thing is deciding how short a period small alliances need to deal with this for, maybe just 1hr a day for the single system guys?

Or...

Instead of reading all the posts happening now and gauging public opinion first as to how to spin what you did in the past, let people know now what your advice to CCP already WAS and to what level the CSM was consulted on this PRIOR to the dev blog announcement?

I think that's where people are disappointed with the CSM right now. We expected you guys to have immediate releases ready to go once the dev blog hit to say "we talked to CCP about this and we said 'X"', BEFORE seeing which way the wind is blowing...

Now you are just going to spin based on what public reaction is now, rather than divulge what your thought leadership with CCP was.

A pox on all of you.

They deal with it for as long as everyone else.

Having different rules for different people is just ******** and a great way to kill any sort of revival of null. Face it, interceptors fitting this sov laser is a terrible idea and needs to be purged.

No, we were hypothesising about large groups having to defend for l-o-n-g-e-r periods because they have such great TZ coverage that it'll be easy for them to deal with every single drunken interceptor pilot flying through their space 24hrs a day and challenging them to hold their sov.

You sounded so keen before, what's up?

This would **** over the likes of brave who don't have our level or organisation. This is before we get to the simple fact that nobody would like your idea. We are at least trying to make CCPs idea work while you are trying to break Null even more than it is now.

It's already 4 hours, per structure every day.

All it takes is a few cov ops frigates cloaked in their systems. When I have a few minutes, I reinforce their TCUs and they have to spend 4 hours there the following day on the off chance I show up and ninja their stuff. Per structure.

I can do this with station services too, with basically no recourse for the defender. They can. not. stop. me. from reinforcing their stuff while they sleep, unless they just don't sleep.

And you would rather it was 12 hours, per structure, every day.

That, or it means that they've succeeded in the objective of the rebalance, take only as much sov as you can reasonably defend.

The goal here isn't "make it unviable to have large groups", you realize.

Brave don't hold anywhere near as much Sov as you, they'd probably be down around 8hrs a day or something and I'm sure they'd love undocking to fight people contesting them - they already do that without needing supercaps on grid for them to n+1.

The reason YOU don't like the idea is because you realise that you'd have to consolidate down to a smaller area because in spite of your bravado you couldn't hold as much space as you currently do 24/7...which is the point of the idea in the first place.

And yes, there would have to be suitable rewards for your diligence.

That only means we can mess with even more people for longer. We are one of the few organisations that can effectively defend round the clock.

You would probably be one of the few organisations that has a 12 hour prime time.

Us giving up space is a given. Brave infact have more pilots than we do so they need more space than we do so, they are ****** under your system. Infact, just about everyone in null would suffer more under your system than we would.

They deal with it for as long as everyone else.

Having different rules for different people is just ******** and a great way to kill any sort of revival of null. Face it, interceptors fitting this sov laser is a terrible idea and needs to be purged.

Brave would have more than us.

Good, I'm not pointing a finger at Goons, it's the whole donut that needs to be chipped away at.

Also I'll point out that 24hrs was just to prove a point that it is completely unfeasible to hold the whole map and go around dicking about in trollceptors with no repercussions the whole time. Something like 1-16 hrs scaling by number of systems held could be reasonable though?

I do not agree with removing the sov laser from inties.

The blue doughnut doesn't exist.

Tell me, where does PL factor into your plan? What would you do if we move into NPC null? What is stopping RVB from doing exactly what we are warning you about with trollcepters?

Your idea not only makes the game worse for everyone in null but also ignores the problems we are pointing out.

Give better rewards for sov to balance it out.

If RvB want to come roam in intys and force fights it sounds great. It sounds a whole bunch better than them having to fight a static blockade on an entry system where they'll just get out blobbed because you don't require any depth to your defences unless you're vulnerable to ceptors penetrating them.

What's your idea to counter a walled defence around undefended systems?

What's your idea to counter a walled defence around undefended systems?

I get that and I believe that you can and do but the next question is how long can you pilots keep it up? It is the opposite of blue balling, seems like after the first week or so of E-linking a structure to just be chased off to another would drive burn-out up. GSF is great at organizing but individuals are already complaining about having to be vigilant just to keep their space. How long will it last? Is GSF capable of continuing a "burn Null" campaign for more than a month or so. I am trying to look at this objectively because I want the game to fun and interesting to everyone.

We shouldn't get tunnel vision on one specific hull or setup to the point that it blinds us from the point of the changes, fun. We want fun fights and hell camping a station for a week may be fun to one side and not the other but with these changes the fight has to continue in different parts of space and that will probably require more that a few ceptors with an E-link and if it doesn't then the losing side deserves to lose.

If you flood a region with interceptors and it causes lots of fights, some of which escalate in larger fights then the mechanic works and if you flood a region and the occupants don't defend and lose space the mechanic works. Either way I don't see how one group can keep up a sustained offensive of system trolling without suffering burnout or without causing larger fights. Either way there will be a winner and loser and both will be determined more by activity and less by inactivity.

Then they should **** or get off the pot. I don't care who it is. Defend it or lose it.

Then reduce the range on the t2 laser so we cant make the trollcepter.

The whole point of the trollcepter is to avoid fights.

Goons have the biggest propeganda machine in this game.

So why the hell are a highsec pvp group gonna come into nullsec to avoid fights

There are so many people here that are like this, Goonswarm gone burn out because of this mechanice because they can't keep up the pressure. I bet few of you have been on the reseving end of what Goons can do to a single corp or how much time they can put down to RF towers and remote systems.

Goons have the biggest propeganda machine in this game, no other alliance can spewe out so much news about their own doing as them. In the short fountain war that lasted 2 weeks, right after Pheobe goons travled over 60 jumps several times back and forth to defend their systsmes from N3 and not enought with that they had own groupes that spent days behind enemy line RF systems fare away from the front. If you think your little 10 man operation to get some uesless space that no one us is gone tier out goons and not make them griefe you even more you are wronge. And this is just why we trying to fight this FW 2.0 systems Fozzie have made, is because of the amount of griefe that this glitchy game mechanics make avaible for goon to use.

Never had a problem with goons or their methods, in fact I am a fan of how they operate. My point is that with the new mechanics it will not be as easy for them to defend what they have like they can now. I totally think they can do whatever they want to do but only for a few months. Not many players will want to play if they can only warp to a point and warp away, not saying it can't or won't be done. I'm just saying that it won't happen for extended periods of time. Goons like to blueball not get blueballed and they like to win. This type of game play won't allow them to win unless they stay to fight and these types of fights won't allow large blobs to form as easily and won't cater as easily to blueballing. Those are two of the main tactics for Goons.

Not everyone has the timezone coverage to defend 16 hours a day. So no, I disagree with you to a certain extent. Defend it or lose it, yes. But don't make it unnecessarily difficult to defend, based on arbitrary penalties grounded in arbitrary limits.

So you defending this FW 2.0 system because it will chase all the people running null sec at this moment out of the game, bravo.

Have fun orbirting Command Nods <.<