After some thought about this upcoming 'Feature' I've come to the conclusion that it is terrible....
I got into this game a few years back, infact the odd occasional trial at first way back when; untill I had my own internet connection

Part of the allure of Eve was the Skill systems implementation , you just had to wait & you had time to get to grips with what you could fly. Now with this system I feel that CCP are cheepening the experience in a major way. Okay it seems allright to some, but I'd bet they have -ú-ú to burn in order to get to areas of the game that would have taken ages to reach. This is the problem it kind of makes the game experience cheep in that you don't live Eve anymore but buy it. (Have the UK Tory party been chatting to CCP High Command?) It will just expand the difference between low SP pilots & vetrans, thus creating even more of a divide in new Eden. I feel the sense of acheivability would be weakend for the new scrubs cutting their teeth, it may even fuel debt, theiving & family strife as little johnny needs to have a better range of ships to fly.

Sorry I can't get behind this Feature.

SP for isk in EVE is just absurd. Well, at least it was in the EVE I played for a decade.

Sure, in the near future this may bring CCP more microtransaction isk, but I suspect people will just stop caring and much of the sense of "accomplishment" will be gone from the game.

I cancel.
I don't care about Eve online now.
This and that. It feels too weird if we can't chase SP from some cadaver of any capsuler we pin down (like a drifter) inspace in this mechanic.

R U Scared?

You might not have as many noobs to spank on. Would really suck if the playing field was level wouldn't it.

We know what sucks, or who.

Whatever happened to the harsh consequences for actions/decisions in EVE?

Would really suck if the playing field was level wouldn't it.
We know what sucks, or who.

SP for isk in EVE is just absurd. Well, at least it was in the EVE I played for a decade.

Sure, in the near future this may bring CCP more microtransaction isk, but I suspect people will just stop caring and much of the sense of "accomplishment" will be gone from the game.

I will probably use this to erase skill 'mistakes' from 12 years ago - happy days

you just had to wait & you had time to get to grips with what you could fly. Now with this system I feel that CCP are cheepening the experience in a major way.

Okay it seems allright to some, but I'd bet they have -ú-ú to burn in order to get to areas of the game that would have taken ages to reach.

This is the problem it kind of makes the game experience cheep in that you don't live Eve anymore but buy it.

It will just expand the difference between low SP pilots & vetrans, thus creating even more of a divide in new Eden. I feel the sense of acheivability would be weakend for the new scrubs cutting their teeth, it may even fuel debt, theiving & family strife as little johnny needs to have a better range of ships to fly.

I look forward to someone from CCP telling us that they are pleased with the overwhelmingly positive response to 'cash for skills' in this thread.

[quote=Norn Thilnir]

We already have SP for ISK. I buy a PLEX with ISK. I activate my account. I can now train SP for a month. In that thirty days I get 1.944m SP. I buy another PLEX. I activate dual account training and set up my queue. A month later I have 1.944m more SP on that character.

All this change does is reduce the time barrier between paying the money and getting the SP. How much is that worth? Nothing to me. Probably quite a bit to a competitive young player who wants to succeed in Eve.

As a player who has almost nine years in game, I am not at all concerned with a new player trying to catch up with me. He can match my ISK (by grinding for more hours or spending real cash to buy PLEX to sell for ISK), he can match my SP (by buying a character on the bazaar or injecting a bunch of SP packs), but he cannot buy nine years of experience in this deep and complex game. And if he does match me in experience by immersing himself in Eve, playing a ton, watching training videos, and learning from those around him: that is a good thing. Not a bad one.

WTB 500b worth of SP

to be sold for 1T

rinse and repeat


this idea is bad, let see who will control the SP market

very nice cash cow btw but still very bad decision

Okay, I've read enough salt-encrusted posts by entitled whiners.

This is my main. There are many like it. But this one is mine. I would never consider selling it. But I would consider selling off some misplaced SP because I had no one to tell me what was good to train or even for what learning skills were used back in 2009. I have completely wasted SP in mining and industry on this toon. I want to sell them.

I really don't care what my SP total is, other than as some sort of vague e-peen wagging. Sure it feels good to look at it and occasionally take it out and blow my load all over someone. But it is not what makes Soldarius Soldarius. It is, like everything else on the character sheet, a part of the character. Even if I do not choose to use any of the various character modification options that CCP has given us, I am glad to know they are there. So if I want to modify my clothes, my portrait, my ships, or soon my SP allocations, I can.

If there is one thing I have learned about Eve, it is that your irl wallet size is not directly proportional to your skill in game. TMC, EN24, and others are packed full of articles showcasing potatoes that think eve is p2w. They pull out dad's credit card and plex their way to that all purple marauder and think they are invincible.

I don't care how many SP you have or how many purples you have. If you don't know how to play the game and whip out your wallet on day 1, you will still get #HAZED mercilessly until you either HTFU or gb2wow.

On the other hand, if this gives a noob some incentive to farm up for a bit and accelerate himself into some of those low-SP doctrine ships like Svipuls, Caracals, T1 logi, or a Celestis for FU fleet, I'm okay with that. I don't doubt for a minute the most wealthy entities will throw injectors onto the market at cost in their local trade hub. Or maybe even give them away as an incentive to join. Jita injectors will get manipulated. New stuff always does.

As far as SP-farming, if it is profitable, I will do it. For me, that would be if I can make enough to pay for the extractors for one month of training + 1 PLEX per account. I might even pay PLEX to do multi-character training if there is enough profit in it. My goal would be to net 1 PLEX per month per character.

One of the few posts that made any sense or showed any redeeming qualities was the suggestion of having SP packs that focus on specific skills. I think that's a capital idea.

I just... well I don't care anymore at this point

The total disconnect CCP has shown with this latest cash grab that no one wanted but CCP.

They don't even have the gall to admit they want this and are pretending players who were paying them for years to access skills who are now seeing their investment in time and money nullified and made insignificant wanted to screw themselves over.

CCP killed the goose that laid the golden egg with this latest debacle out of total ignorance of what everyone was paying them for all these years.

EVE is not terribly fun most of the time.
EVE is not terribly difficult most of the time.

However what EVE does take is time.

EVE is Time personified with spaceships.

Many myself included were willing to invest that time out of the enjoyment of seeing something that takes a long time progress even knowing the rewards were unrewarding and needed to be replaced by new rewards as soon as they were accomplished by waiting more time.

Now all that is over.

The majesty, immutability and insurmountably of time in EVE is lost.

CCP are you sure this will work as you intend? Are you sure this will draw more new players into the game? Are you sure it won't just **** off more people than make them happy?

WE happened.

Like it or not, it's been 20 years since the days of "harsh" Ultima Online and Everquest, and every single game out there has moved away from "harsh", has evolved to "there is still grind to keep the masses paying, but it must be disguised under at least SOME fun, and the masses must be appeased with convenience features and fluff, or they'll stop paying."

Every single MMO has unlimited re-specs, microtransactions for fluff, and conveniences like name change, server transfer, and appearance customizations. We screamed for months before allowing CCP to introduce appearance customizations, and we're screaming every time they try to introduce what's standard everywhere else.

If you all absolutely want the game to STAY THE SAME, because it's the game you like or whatever, then fine, it's actually a very simple solution: no more patches, no more changes, everything stays exactly as it is now; go play. CCP can put the servers on life support and go develop something else. Enjoy.

Otherwise, if you want this game to still be supported by CCP, then accept that it's their game and they'll do whatever they want to do with it; play, or don't play.

You completely ignore where the SP will be coming from in the long term. There will be a lot of specialized toons who don't need more training and will be PLEXed now because they can sell off the SP and buy another PLEX with the money.

I certainly will do this and I am sure a lot of other people will do this as well. Unsub all the specialized accounts and PLEX them with the ISK I get for the SP that get accumulated over the month. So this will drive PLEX prices up, A LOT since more people will use PLEX. I will create even more accounts and finance them this way if the injector pays the bill for the PLEX + extractor.

Since PLEX and the SP you sell are somewhat coupled there will not be a big problem for people who get their ISK this way. However if you want to actually train and still PLEX your char you will probably have to farm a lot more of that ISK to get one.

Another disturbance in the Force. I agree with the above quote.

Is Pay RL Cash for SPs to Win now the answer to the neglected New Player Experience? How are those future frozen meat puppets supposed to learn this? Yay to others that have a roomy monthly budget to fund CCP's avoidance of bankruptcy proceedings, that ain't me. My toons are well off, I'm Not!

>Jeven

CCP are you sure this will work as you intend? Are you sure this will draw more new players into the game? Are you sure it won't just **** off more people than make them happy?

I pay real life cash for SP every time I subscribe an account using my credit card. In fact, just on this account, I have purchased nearly 23,652,000 SP in the past year. It cost me $135. OMG! Eve is suddenly pay to win!