Holy ****. I didn't even see that.

CCP, listen very carefully now:

You CANNOT remove the option for the old, working camera without having fully and completely recreated every last aspect of it in your new system. All of it. No exception. No Gǣkind of the same, butGǪGǥ, and definitely no Gǣit's better now becauseGǪGǥ.

It must have every singe option and functionality that the old camera has: the direct and precise movement; the simple look-at and tracking functionality; the ability to track warps; the ability to simply rclick-unhook the camera from its current direction and then have it immediately snap back; always focusing on your ship etc etc etc. All the things people have been telling you for ages now.

If you remove it, there are no two ways about it and no delicate way of saying it: you are stupid. You are incompetent. You are not actually listening to the wave of feedback you're getting, and any attempt at claiming otherwise is a lie. Stop it. Step back, swallow your pride, stop blubbering, and give your customers the one thing they're asking for: a properly working camera. Remember what happens every time you have an GÇ£awesomeGÇ¥ idea that doesn't work in practice, and realise that this is one of those moments. Again.

Jesus ******* christ. Why does this keep happening?! How are you so incapable of learning such a ridiculously simple lesson?! WTF is wrong with you?

Hello,

First let me congratulate you on your work for this new Camera, it has reached a point where I've chosen to go ahead and adopt it. (With dynamic FoV disabled)

Doesn't mean it's perfect though, but it's certainly the most promising of these new features, since neither Dscan or maps have yet to reach that level of usability in my opinion... Even though they are much older.

Now, keep up the good work, listen to player feedback, and in no time it should be finally ready to completely replace the old camera!

What I'd like to see happen:

• A setting to disable the automatic appearance of the tactical overlay when switching to tactical view.
• A shortcut to focus camera on self without zooming in (that is, conserve the current zoom level) like the reset camera button does.

What we really want to know is are you going to give us the tracking camera back as that is the main game breaker for most of us?

As a fighting capsuleer, I don't care about cinematic effects. What I need is a simple, sober, effective camera I can use to position myself and assess my surroundings in the least disruptive way.
The new camera isn't providing any of that, automatically making it a huge failure for the kind of game that is Eve.

Holy ****. I didn't even see that.

CCP, listen very carefully now:

You CANNOT remove the option for the old, working camera without having fully and completely recreated every last aspect of it in your new system. All of it. No exception. No Gǣkind of the same, butGǪGǥ, and definitely no Gǣit's better now becauseGǪGǥ.

It must have every singe option and functionality that the old camera has: the direct and precise movement; the simple look-at and tracking functionality; the ability to track warps; the ability to simply rclick-unhook the camera from its current direction and then have it immediately snap back; always focusing on your ship etc etc etc. All the things people have been telling you for ages now.

If you remove it, there are no two ways about it and no delicate way of saying it: you are stupid. You are incompetent. You are not actually listening to the wave of feedback you're getting, and any attempt at claiming otherwise is a lie. Stop it. Step back, swallow your pride, stop blubbering, and give your customers the one thing they're asking for: a properly working camera. Remember what happens every time you have an GÇ£awesomeGÇ¥ idea that doesn't work in practice, and realise that this is one of those moments. Again.

Jesus ******* christ. Why does this keep happening?! How are you so incapable of learning such a ridiculously simple lesson?! WTF is wrong with you?

You know they are taking away the old camera completly in just a little under a month rigth? lol

I bet most of eve arnt aware of CCP removing the option of the old camera.

Good to see that tracking objects entering warp is being given back to us. They are apparently listening at least a little.

I agree. But unless they get rid of that drifty, squishy inertia garbage and give back toggled tracking there are gonna be a lot of angry subscribers when it happens.

Holy ****. I didn't even see that.

CCP, listen very carefully now:

You CANNOT remove the option for the old, working camera without having fully and completely recreated every last aspect of it in your new system. All of it. No exception. No Gǣkind of the same, butGǪGǥ, and definitely no Gǣit's better now becauseGǪGǥ.

It must have every singe option and functionality that the old camera has: the direct and precise movement; the simple look-at and tracking functionality; the ability to track warps; the ability to simply rclick-unhook the camera from its current direction and then have it immediately snap back; always focusing on your ship etc etc etc. All the things people have been telling you for ages now.

If you remove it, there are no two ways about it and no delicate way of saying it: you are stupid. You are incompetent. You are not actually listening to the wave of feedback you're getting, and any attempt at claiming otherwise is a lie. Stop it. Step back, swallow your pride, stop blubbering, and give your customers the one thing they're asking for: a properly working camera. Remember what happens every time you have an GÇ£awesomeGÇ¥ idea that doesn't work in practice, and realise that this is one of those moments. Again.

Jesus ******* christ. Why does this keep happening?! How are you so incapable of learning such a ridiculously simple lesson?! WTF is wrong with you?

lasso select:
this needs some more tweaks too i believe. Because otherwise you will literally lock EVERYTHING in the rectangle area. Wrecks, drones, LCOs, that little citadel in the background, everything. I don't have a solution for that but it has to be somehow a bit smarter or configurable. So that you can limit it for selecting only ships for example. Or only drones, or only wrecks. (hotkey for ships only selection? if there are no ships it falls back to "everything" selection?)


thats it for now

Good to see that tracking objects entering warp is being given back to us. They are apparently listening at least a little.

Now if we can get back toggled tracking camera functionality like we had before and they will either give the option to or just completely remove all of the camera inertia things will start to look up.

All this begs the question though, since all of the new "features" they are shoving down our throats just happen to be ALL the things we want turned off, wouldn't it have been a better idea to just stealthily re-code the camera so that it by default still behaves like the old one (while adding their silly first person and tactical views) and just made all the visual effect's (speed offset, inertia, dynamic FOV, etc) options that we can turn ON if we want to check them out?

I disagree. This is EvE, "Everyone Verses Everyone", not "Everyone Verses the Developers". When it gets to that point, I'm out. I pay a monthly subscription fee to fight NPCs and players, not to fight the interface. The Devs still haven't fixed the interface from the color palette nerf, and combined with a camera nerf, it might be enough to make me leave the game.

Camera controls are one of the hardest things to get right in a video game. I remember, growing up, reading reviews of a lot of games that might have been great but wonky or unstable camera controls tanked them. EvE has had a perfect camera up until now. If this game takes three steps back by implementing this new camera as a mandatory "feature", I might just unsub for a while until they fix it. I'd happily return when they stop gratuitously nerfing the interface. I'm not quite at that point, but I'm real close now.

That leavesGǪ

GÇó Keeping the ship centred.
GÇó Adjusting the tracking point.
GÇó Tracking toggle.
GÇó Look toggle.
GÇó No camera movement without input while looking.
GÇó Linear zoom.
GÇó Linear (and equal on every axis) orbiting speed.
GÇó Instant reset
GÇó RClick-slewing with snap-back
GÇó Manual R+L-Drag zoom and FOV adjustment
GÇó Tactical overlay setting persistence

GǪjust off the top of my head and testing around a station. I'm sure others can expand on it. When will that functionality be added?

Hello everyone!

GÇóAtmospheric noises in Tactical and First Person cameras are too loud
We are tweaking these today.

Fly safe
CCP Turtlepower // Team Psycho Sisters