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Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:41:00 - [331] CCP has done nothing except to ban kugutsumens accounts. the so called dev just had his characters renamed. CCP havent done anything at all to get a grip on the cheating done by some devs and the leaders of the bob alliance. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
UKM Thorgrim Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:42:00 - [332] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Originally by: krystal eyes Edited by: krystal eyes on 07/02/2007 12:29:40 Can a dev/anyone confirm that it was t20 who designed/implemented the t2 BPO lottery? well if did this will really bugger things up for CCP, i can see the allocations now. Alligations do they really need more .. Ban all that have been Cought cheating.. Honour & Steel.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:44:00 - [333] Originally by: UKM Thorgrim Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Originally by: krystal eyes Edited by: krystal eyes on 07/02/2007 12:29:40 Can a dev/anyone confirm that it was t20 who designed/implemented the t2 BPO lottery? well if did this will really bugger things up for CCP, i can see the allocations now. Alligations do they really need more .. Ban all that have been Cought cheating.. I agree, anyone who has been caught cheating should be banned. .... Playing EVE on easy mode since May 2003.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:45:00 - [334] My view on the whole thing: - Devs playing in secret: Perfectly normal. CCP loves their game, so they want to play it, and they damned have the right to enjoy it. If CCP wasn't passionated by Eve, Eve would be a Wow in space by now... - Devs playing in Bob: Bother me a bit. Bob is already so powerfull, so full of hardore gamers that it tend to attract still more veterans, from other alliances. The health of political balance in 0.0 certainly doesn't need CCP helping to it, if only by their presence in Bob. - Bob's denials: They repeated over and over that ALL the allegations were false. And some of them turn out to be true. This makes everyone wonder about wether the others are indeed true, whatever Bob say, or not. I'm won't throw those allegations at Bob's face, until they're proved, one way or another, but the doubts remains... I think CCP need to give a more complete answer, of those doubts will plague Eve's future. Even if it's only a "about this particular BPO allegation, we can't prove it was or wasn't done". ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:45:00 - [335] For a long time allegations have been made over and over again about BoB getting special favours and treatment from CCP. I remember hearing complaints as far back as when Xelas got kicked out of the north. Now a 3rd party reveals that Devs have alts in Bob and reveals who they are. He also reveals (allegedly) that higher ups in BoB were in the know about which devs where in their alliance. He also alleges that they benefitted materially from free t2 bpos and inside knowledge about upcoming events. CCP needs to open about everything they find. Politics and passions in this game run extremely high. Just having a dev playing as such a high level character in Bob is damaging enough. If they don't honestlyand openlyaddress these rumours and release all the results of their investigation in a timelyfashion their reputation is going to suffer mightily for it. I want to know. 1. Did this Dev give BoB t2 bpos. If he did what's going to happen to them. Even if they were acquired legitamately it seems unseemly. I suggest if they did receive them from the dev that they be taken away and reseeded even if they were acquired legitamately. To protect CCP's reputation and to show that they take the community's concerns seriously. Sucks for BoB but they can polish the free motherships and corvus' and storms' they got from the Alliance tourney's to console themselves. 2. Did any Bob members know he was a dev? Did they get information about upcoming events and changes from him. Did they profit through their connection with a dev? 3. How long was this dev in BoB? Where any questionable decisions made where BoB benefitted from having a Dev buddy ease things over? 4. If BoB players are proven to have benefitted from a Dev's cheating on behalf. If they knewa dev was cheating on their behalf what happens to them. Do they get banned or do they get a slap on the wrist and are told not to get caught again? CCP you have a problem. You've been accused of favortism when it comes to BoB and now Dev characters have been found in BoB. You need to respond and respond fast. Your customers are losing faith in your impartiality and I don't think the forum mods can keep up with the posts you're getting on this. BoB, everything you've accomplished since this dev has joined alliance is now suspect. People accuse you of cheating in the alliance tourneys. Guess what? You can't prove you didn't. You cheated in turning off ASCN's pos. You say you didn't you had the capability of doing so. It'd be simple for a dev to do. Cyvok claims you cheated in killing Steve. Guess what? You can't prove that you didn't cheat there either. You are screwed. Everything you have accomplished is tainted by this. CCP needs to be open and honest with it's player otherwise you risk losing them. If BoB players benefitted by cheating you better drop the hammer on them just to clear yourselves of any favoritism. Honestly I believe you do favor BoB. They have a very large percentage of long term characters in their alliance. I think they probably have the highest concentration of CCP employees playing amongst them as a result of that. I think BoB has gotten more than their fair share of lucky breaks. These are things I felt before. I didn't know but I felt that this was true. Now I see there might be some truth to these feelings. That maybe I wasn't wrong in thinking you liked BoB more than the rest of us. And I doubt i'm the only one who feels this way now. If I feel you haven't done an honest investigation. If I feel you're covering up and hoping this will go away. if I feel that I can't trust you. If I feel that anything I do in this game doesn't matter because I'm not in the elite Band of Brothers alliance then why should I play? if you say you investigated and found no impropriety, that no wrong doing was done I'll believe you. But you better outline EVERY STEP YOU TOOK. Your ball.
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:47:00 - [336] i was expecting more clue like if the accusation was true dear CCP you have failed to me u needed the "help" of one hacker to get the alarm on. sad that u don't detect that earlier + @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:49:00 - [337] Originally by: Shadowsword - Bob's denials: They repeated over and over that ALL the allegations were false. And some of them turn out to be true. This makes everyone wonder about wether the others are indeed true, whatever Bob say, or not. I'm won't throw those allegations at Bob's face, until they're proved, one way or another, but the doubts remains... I think CCP need to give a more complete answer, of those doubts will plague Eve's future. Even if it's only a "about this particular BPO allegation, we can't prove it was or wasn't done". Good and well thought out reply. However one minor thing i would like you to think about: The allegations cant turn true because the only trustworthy source of information is ccp and they havent unclosed anything (yet). I hope kieron adds another statement to clear up all the other allegations because it damages gameplay for a good bunch of ppl however as you can see in some of the replies its obvious that no matter of who says what in the longrun the hatemongers will not believe it anyways. We can only hope for the majority of the public that another statement is issued.
jeffb	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:50:00 - [338] Edited by: jeffb on 07/02/2007 12:48:09 Unban AnthonyZ, if it wasnt for him we would still all be in the dark.
Harpr Shodokai Gallente Scientific Muppets.	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:54:00 - [339] Originally by: krystal eyes Edited by: krystal eyes on 07/02/2007 12:26:15 29 Jun 2005, Thryr Merim registered with RKK [BoB] with the e-mail address vincent@ccpgames.com He rejoined as Ishos on Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:03 pm Quote: Pilot: Ishos Rerajan (main / RKK) Specialisation: Amarr Licenced: Amarr BS, Amarr BC, Amarr Command Ships, Amarr Interdictors, Amarr Cloakers, Amarr HAC, Amarr Interceptors Notes: Maxed out Armored Warfare + Command ships + mindlink Pilot: Thryr Merim (main / RKK) Specialisation: Caldari Licenced: Caldari BS, Caldari BC, Caldari Interdictors, Caldari HAC, Caldari Freighters, Caldari Transport Ships, Caldari Interceptors Notes: Maxed Out Missile Operation Skills The below posted on RKK internal forum: Thryr Merim announces he is a dev: (re. conversation about anew killboard) Quote: Originally posted by:haze I have thought about this a lot and not been able to come up with any solution. Its the same problem with the game lots, as CCP dont do any kind of auth on the logs there is no way to authenticat them. A simple md5 like hash on each log/killmail would be a nice and simple way for ccp to auth the logs, would make pettitions a lot dam simpler as well. as it stands though I guess we are just going to have to deal with it the best we can. Originally Posted by Thryr Merim the system as it is today is a bit obsolete, it's a generated text and the logs only store the one that did most damage as a killer ... we've got plans to store everything in the logs ... more on that later ... low priority atm Now if you search for vincent@ccpgames.com you find posts on french forums as t20. t20 was Ishos t20 was in charge of RKK Capital Ship Command t20 when forced to leave RKK, left 10 T2 BPO behind him. t20 witness all the RKK EULA abuse, char resale, etc. (alleged) t20 is really close to Oveur and they are often seen together on Sisi in local. Oh my. I hope CCP seriously change their ways or this could really affect their actual business (journalists getting involved). <3
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:55:00 - [340] Edited by: Sinlare on 07/02/2007 12:52:35 Originally by: Harpr Shodokai Oh my. I hope CCP seriously change their ways or this could really affect their actual business (journalists getting involved). Noooo not the journalists! OMGRUNFORTEHHILLS~!!111 If you threaten someone make it less obvious ;)

James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:05:00 - [341] Would be nice with a more comprehensive explanation providing more details and leaving less room for speculation. Apart from that, barring a few select posters the quality of EVE-O posting has dropped to an all-new low. It remains a mystery to me why modding policies allow this to occur while they insist on cracking down hard on minor oversights and profanity. -----
Danny Hawk Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:05:00 - [342] this is already news on other mmorg sites, they need to sort this yesturday
Zzleeper Amarr levisomnus spectatrix	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:05:00 - [343] Originally by: Sinlare Edited by: Sinlare on 07/02/2007 12:52:35 Originally by: Harpr Shodokai Oh my. I hope CCP seriously change their ways or this could really affect their actual business (journalists getting involved). Noooo not the journalists! OMGRUNFORTEHHILLS~!!111 If you threaten someone make it less obvious ;) haha "threaten someone make it less obvious" what like this threat? Just an extract from an earlier dev post on these eve information portal (Dec 2006) Originally by: CCP t20 (I hope for your sake it's an accidental figuring-out of, otherwise if you're actively hunting dev identities, i can only speak for myself, but you'd be on my alts' shtlist till the day I die ... ) The last part,"i can only speak for myself, but you'd be on my alts' shtlist till the day I die**" nice threat by a CCP Developer, dont you think? BTW.. i like the pic, BOB mentality Cheaters never prosper!
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:09:00 - [344] I can't find any google match for "[email protected]" But if those conversations are legitimate then it underscores the point. Devs are supposed to keep their identity secret, not just secret from the general public. It highlights the on tap info that people think is giving BoB the edge, particularly when the server is understrain and BoB seem to know how to act best to alleviate for themselves. All alliances may have devs in them, but how many of those devs are incharge of the capital fleet? If I had my personal dev I'd put him in charge of the capitals too - can't think of safer hands to be honest. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:11:00 - [345] Originally by: Harpr Shodokai I hope CCP seriously change their ways or this could really affect their actual business (journalists getting involved). At this point i'm half hoping that journalist do get involved. I'm not sure i trust CCP to do an honest job of this without someone holding their feet to the fire.
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:12:00 - [346] Originally by: kieron Areas of investigation include, but are not limited to: messaging history, financial and transactional history, combat and corporation logs, item and cash transfers and IP logs. For those wanting to know whether the BPO's were gathered legitimately or otherwise, reread the above quote. For a character to give an item to someone else an item transfer would be conducted through a trade window (transactional history). If you drop it into a hangar, it would be in the corporation logs, and if you leave it in a tin in space for someone else to loot that would also come under a transaction log. Since the BPO's were part of the original accusation, I'm sure they were examined in the course of the investigation. It sickens me to see so many people harping on about them; get off your high horses and realise that in your quest for "justice" and "truth" you've successfully destroyed the ingame lives of some of the people that work to improve the game that you're all addicted to. I hope you're pleased with yourselves. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:14:00 - [347] Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 07/02/2007 13:10:36 Originally by: Captain Thunk I can't find any google match for "[email protected]" But if those conversations are legitimate then it underscores the point. Devs are supposed to keep their identity secret, not just secret from the general public. It highlights the on tap info that people think is giving BoB the edge, particularly when the server is understrain and BoB seem to know how to act best to alleviate for themselves. All alliances may have devs in them, but how many of those devs are incharge of the capital fleet? If I had my personal dev I'd put him in charge of the capitals too - can't think of safer hands to be honest. CAPTAIN THUNK I tried another method; http://staff.ccpgames.com/vincent/ Says "t20" in several places there. --- Mandatory disclaimer: These are my thoughts, not my corps/alliances. ---
bioqaz eylee Amarr LifeLine Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:15:00 - [348] Edited by: bioqaz eylee on 07/02/2007 13:13:05 Originally by: Captain Thunk I can't find any google match for "[email protected]" But if those conversations are legitimate then it underscores the point. Devs are supposed to keep their identity secret, not just secret from the general public. It highlights the on tap info that people think is giving BoB the edge, particularly when the server is understrain and BoB seem to know how to act best to alleviate for themselves. All alliances may have devs in them, but how many of those devs are incharge of the capital fleet? If I had my personal dev I'd put him in charge of the capitals too - can't think of safer hands to be honest. CAPTAIN THUNK try searching without the .com, i see one link on a french site. but not lots
UKM Thorgrim Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:18:00 - [349] Originally by: Ifni Originally by: kieron Areas of investigation include, but are not limited to: messaging history, financial and transactional history, combat and corporation logs, item and cash transfers and IP logs. For those wanting to know whether the BPO's were gathered legitimately or otherwise, reread the above quote. For a character to give an item to someone else an item transfer would be conducted through a trade window (transactional history). If you drop it into a hangar, it would be in the corporation logs, and if you leave it in a tin in space for someone else to loot that would also come under a transaction log. Since the BPO's were part of the original accusation, I'm sure they were examined in the course of the investigation. It sickens me to see so many people harping on about them; get off your high horses and realise that in your quest for "justice" and "truth" you've successfully destroyed the ingame lives of some of the people that work to improve the game that you're all addicted to. I hope you're pleased with yourselves. MMMMM not that a DEV or a GM could change the logs in anyway form or manner.. SORRY But it now comes down to Not what who or Where but how long left till the GAME Dies.. Honour & Steel.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:21:00 - [350] Edited by: Sinlare on 07/02/2007 13:18:58 Originally by: UKM Thorgrim MMMMM not that a DEV or a GM could change the logs in anyway form or manner.. SORRY But it now comes down to Not what who or Where but how long left till the GAME Dies.. You have a seriously skewed sense of reality. Just wait until Kieron makes an update and hopefully he will give us a Yes or No on the allegations.

Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:22:00 - [351] TBH the whole thing is a joke. Sounding like a 'kangaroo court' of sorts CCP will lose a fair percentage of the player base over this issue. The point is this, whilst any alliance has a dev/gm within the ranks there is always going to be a area of concern regarding 'fairness' across the board. And any confidence/reassurance to the paying consumer who pay to play a transparent, fair and balanced game has been thrown out of the window. I wonder if the boot had been on the other foot would bob sit quietly as a result of the response from K & CCP - i doubt it tbh. I suggest that any alliance who received things as a result of gm/dev wrong doing should be penalized - e.g. have bpos taken away. Any character in game caught in the involvement of these matters should receive perma bans. None of this slap on the wrist stuff, it sends out the wrong message to the community, it would also be useful to actually notify us the paying customer that X person / X alliance has had x removed or has had character x perma banned as a result of x investigation. You get to read about investigations in the tabloids, see it in the news why shouldn't the same apply to EVE ? I bet this would restore a hell a lot of confidence in the paying customer. This should also apply to those using exploits in game x alliance/player has been warned re use of x exploit. Future use of x exploit will result in perma ban across all of the eve community. Thats my 2 cents, i will continue to play eve albeit not with the same confidence as before, but i will watch closely on any developments - i will cancel my account if CCP dont do something to address the real issues and answer the questions and implement the punishments accordingly where due. Froggy p.s. sad day for eve
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:23:00 - [352] Since I first read about these allegations I've found myself with no desire to play EVE any more. I've been logging on to change skills but that's it. This response from Kieron hasn't changed that. EVE feels pointless to me now. I can't see the point in playing when I feel that people like BoB are always going to get all the goodies. T2BPOs in the lotteries, rigged events that give them motherships, whatever. This response smacks of coverup and does nothing to make me want to play any more. Bye.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:24:00 - [353] Originally by: Danny Hawk this is already news on other mmorg sites, they need to sort this yesturday Link? ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:25:00 - [354] Not enough.
Betonela Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:27:00 - [355] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Danny Hawk this is already news on other mmorg sites, they need to sort this yesturday Link? Linkage --------- join on New Movement of Market Traders
Luna Liandri PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:28:00 - [356] Originally by: Ifni It sickens me to see so many people harping on about them; get off your high horses and realise that in your quest for "justice" and "truth" you've successfully destroyed the ingame lives of some of the people that work to improve the game that you're all addicted to. I hope you're pleased with yourselves. i cant hear it anymore !!! the "paying customers" want open investigations and demand the proof of a level playfield and get - nothing. and some guys tell me that i have to care about "ingame lives" of devs on my payroll ? just put on your customer-boots and forget for a second that you know that guy and that other guy personally ! is it so hard to see the non-dev-friend-but-just-ordinary-customer perspective ? sure i like(ed) what they've created - i wouldnt post here if not. sure i like them to have fun at work as this will improve my experience. sure i like them to know about the game as it helps developing. still, the game must be fair and now there are reasons for doubt. CCP has to go forward and play open information politics - its the only way to sort this mess !
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:34:00 - [357] Originally by: Ather Ialeas I tried another method; http://staff.ccpgames.com/vincent/ Says "t20" in several places there. So all those months we went without working character portraits because t20 was too busy playing with BoB and his illegal T2BPOs? Says it all really. Welcome to BoB-Online. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:36:00 - [358] Can I have your stuff (all of you)?
Semtex'o Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:37:00 - [359] Too many questions remain unanswered. Like others I am also not that pleased with kieron's statement.
Madelchai Clandestine Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:38:00 - [360] All I know is, I've already fashioned a tin foil hat from a Minmatar ship after reading this thread.



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