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UKM Thorgrim
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Auman Presumerbly all the Black Lance members going mental over the last few pages have cancelled their subscriptions? I mean you'd have to have zero morals to continue playing if you truly believed these allegations and that a cover up was going on...
End of march for UKM Thorgrim. I wont renew it
Also As a member of UKM i wont condone Cheating.. it spoils the Game for every one ELSE.
(thats from an adult, not sone Kiddy that plays agame).
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:47:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Tomic
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Quote: however it is rather obvious that BoB reap what they sow.
At no point did any BoB director or leader ever deny the possibility of CCP employees of any level or station being part of the alliance.
A Dev identity being disclosed doesn't contradict any of the statements made by BoB.
Any chance we'll get back to page one with this ? Backpedalling 4tw.
Lack of memory for the win?
We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us
Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:52:00 -
[423]
CCP why edit t20 web page ? give us the old web page and wee are "happy" + @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:53:00 -
[424]
This thread is interesting, every time I hit F5 the content changes dramatically even though the amount of posts doesn't.
Oh and seems like BoD controls eve-files too, I uploaded a picture of t20's site there before it was changed to pi and all I got was
You have received a Warning!
Reason: This is a warning for uploading non Eve related files. A ban will be used on the next offence. Eve-Files rules: http://eve-files.com/removed
Ban in effect until Expired [current: 2007-02-07 15:46:48] [BAN ID:960]
I do get the message though. I'm out. --- Mandatory disclaimer: These are my thoughts, not my corps/alliances. ---
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:53:00 -
[425]
Avon, Kcel, Rod > your approaching is not working, you're dealing with human nature here. All you are effectuating is reinforcing the direct result of Kieron's post failing to address both actual and factual matters, events and trends.
Look, for all those who think Kieron is going to post again with more investigation results, read what he said. The matter is closed. This is it.
For those who still aim for damage control by means of reason, reason does not apply to human nature. Say a thank you to CCP for seeding a new batch of fuel for the campfire with this post. Now it is up to you to throw it on, or not. Regardless of the content of the post each message equals fuel. I can only say that those who do care and want to put the factual data on the table have an opening in Kieron's message.
Look folks, this topic will get locked soon, as Kieron has made it clear that the matter is now closed, so how is any response here going to change that. All you have now is more fuel for more witchhunts and the interesting confirmation that the metagaming and social engineering entaglements within and beyond terms of agreements are fine once enough time has passed for the logs to expire IN THE PERCEPTION of those who care less then some of us about this game.
This thread, and the topic of it, now only deals with attempts to control perception. Time to wake up then, because you can't control perception, it is a human element. It could be argued that with silencing that kugu guy this might be possible, but this topic has gone so far and deep now that this is not the case. It will only be possible to predetermine perception on the matter for a new batch of subscribers to EVE say around 6 months from now. So stop wasting time on it.
So CCP failed to deliver. Fine, that is up to them to either have decided on, or to act on. Move along. It affects any and all sides in the debate, as well as the big majority of silent people who are only now waking up to things (and as EVE attracts folks with minds of their own they are folks who dig for themselves largely). Yes, it could be said that anyone involved and affected feels a bit screwed over here as the core issues (not the event arcs, but the core issues) have now been polarised to an extent which may very well take the situation to a point of no repair.
Corporate mumbo jumbo does not help when dealing with issues around topics and environments people care about. You either address the core issues, or you do not bother. But polarising the matter is even worse.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:55:00 -
[426]
The press release says nothing at all.
No content, nothing. Just marketing words for 'we banned him, we think wat he did was bad, we like to make money, we are giving you no answer'
Im pretty disappointed.
This statement will not put the issue behind us because its a cop out. Basically he was banned and thats it, no word on anything else that happened.
As someone who works in marketing tut tut CCP.
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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Skrypt
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:56:00 -
[427]
This is a witch hunt and it's asinine. Seems to be there's an assault on a name in such a fashion simply because the war can't be waged in-game.
While I appreciate the response of CCP in this matter, I personally find their actions extreme. This isn't to say I don't understand their policy. ----------
"I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcom Wallace (Braveheart) |
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:57:00 -
[428]
Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 14:47:52
Originally by: Dianabolic We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us
Too good? or too many devs?
I suppose its a chicken and egg situation.
:MASTERSTROKE:
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Severian Maura
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:58:00 -
[429]
I recently caught one of my empolyees givng our product away at a discoutn to a friend of hers. I docked her pay the difference and sent her home for the week with no pay. Here is an individual who was giving away real money to a friend of hers and new if she got got caught she would get in trouble.
How easy do you think it is for some in CCP who is BoB to give away virtual money and property especially when they dont get punished for it.
CCP change your policy, Hell it would eve be nice if BoB changed theres but then they wouldnt have anymore adavantages in the game in more.
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Thon Enay
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:01:00 -
[430]
http://eve-files.com/dl/86717
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA?
I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish?
Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun The press release says nothing at all.
No content, nothing. Just marketing words for 'we banned him, we think wat he did was bad, we like to make money, we are giving you no answer'
Im pretty disappointed.
This statement will not put the issue behind us because its a cop out. Basically he was banned and thats it, no word on anything else that happened.
As someone who works in marketing tut tut CCP.
No ban, his chars got deleted because people discovered his ccp identity, not because he actually did something wrong.
It's the usual policy, and there's mroe devs affected then those in bob too afaik.
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Auman
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:06:00 -
[433]
Originally by: UKM Thorgrim Edited by: UKM Thorgrim on 07/02/2007 14:48:32
Originally by: Auman Presumerbly all the Black Lance members going mental over the last few pages have cancelled their subscriptions? I mean you'd have to have zero morals to continue playing if you truly believed these allegations and that a cover up was going on...
End of march for UKM Thorgrim. I wont renew it
Also As a member of UKM i wont condone Cheating.. it spoils the Game for every one ELSE.
(thats from an adult, not some Kiddy that plays agame).
Well thats very sad to see someone leaving the game over this kudos for being honest though. I do think the evidence you base all of this on is very suspect and a better statement from CCP would clear this up.
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gofoi
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:07:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA?
I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish?
Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish.
Please do.
Diana, either we are not on the same level of information, in wich case you should post the proof you have, either it's a bad lie.
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Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:07:00 -
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It is vital for the game that Devs/GMs/ISD/etc play the game, however Eve is a Machiavellian sand box of player rivalries, politics and warfare. Whatever the truth of them, just the allegations alone that the playing field might not be level has rocked the credibility of the game. Thus a suggestion on how to move forward from this in the long term:
Issue: You don't just have to be fair, you need to be seen to be fair.
Problem: The possibility of a conflict of interests of Devs/GMs/ISD between their alt accounts in corporations and alliances and their privileged knowledge, abilities, etc.
Problem: Paid employees (Devs and GMs) must be kept in touch with the real game. Additionally it is unreasonable to expect player volunteers to forfeit their accounts and not actually play the game.
Factional warfare has been muted, players belonging to the empires actually being able to effect the fortunes of their empires by doing things to assist them, be it missions or even raiding other members of opposing empires. A problem with this is that it could be a rather amorphous thing lacking any real sense of leadership and direction. Why not place Devs/GMs/ISD as the leadership of such factions: a couple of devs and a group of lieutenants drawn from GMs/ISD helping to provide focus and direct the energies of the broader more casual non alliance player base? Its no small thing to ask a Dev or volunteer to resign their position in their corporation or alliance, but such a move would help both draw a line under recent events and help kick start a new element in the game. - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:07:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA?
I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish?
Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish.
It's in the logs of the forums and pms he posted, Shin, where dbp and Judicator finally decided that no real life cash would change hands for it. I don't have the logs, I'm sure you can sign up to kugs sight for them if you wish.
Either way, dbp says no money changed hands, I believe him, ccp haven't banned him, proof enough for me.
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:08:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA?
I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish?
Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish.
It wasn't.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Juan Andalusian
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Therem Harth I also feel that bobbits per se should stop doing a cyvok and acknowledge the fact that at least partially they themselves brought it onto the heads of their friends.
I agree only to the point that we underestimated the malevolance and idiocy of certain members of this community.
This reminds me of people blaiming counterstrike or other fps games when some maniac goes into a killing spree.
I already stated that our ingame stance is harsh and arrogant to put it mildy but that not how we'd face a real situation like this one, unless of course it would spiral down to what we are reading now :(.
Is it really our fault that people are unable to separate the two?
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:09:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 14:47:52
Originally by: Dianabolic We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us
Too good? or too many devs?
I suppose its a chicken and egg situation.
Yes, it must be that the devs are the only reason BoB win, that must be it.
Out of 1k characters, 200 active pilots, those 5 surely must make alllllll the difference...
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:10:00 -
[440]
Grr
there is no proof in virtual environments. We're dealing with two factors: pixels and human nature. Neither is exactly bug free.
So folks put a lid on it. Want to be mad? Direct it at the ones who fuel the fire, the fire which ties up a lot of good people from other more pressing affairs, as well as a great many others who's perceptions and game perspectives are at stake.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:11:00 -
[441]
The exployees shoudl of been fired, whats to stop this from happening again.
Pwnage PvP Recruitment |
Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:11:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Stahlregen
Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 14:47:52
Originally by: Dianabolic We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us
Too good? or too many devs?
I suppose its a chicken and egg situation.
:MASTERSTROKE:
Don't you have other forums to spam Stahlregen? shoo. |
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:11:00 -
[443]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 07/02/2007 15:11:11
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Laythun The press release says nothing at all.
No content, nothing. Just marketing words for 'we banned him, we think wat he did was bad, we like to make money, we are giving you no answer'
Im pretty disappointed.
This statement will not put the issue behind us because its a cop out. Basically he was banned and thats it, no word on anything else that happened.
As someone who works in marketing tut tut CCP.
No ban, his chars got deleted because people discovered his ccp identity, not because he actually did something wrong.
It's the usual policy, and there's mroe devs affected then those in bob too afaik.
Are you ignoring the fact that it was the Devs themselves that ignored their own rules and were the ones that revealed themselves as being Devs, Or is this like some kind of Bizarro world where accountability is polarised and shifted from the ones responsible to the ones who called them on it?
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Shinoobie
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:11:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 14:47:52
Originally by: Dianabolic We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us
Too good? or too many devs?
I suppose its a chicken and egg situation.
Yes, it must be that the devs are the only reason BoB win, that must be it.
Out of 1k characters, 200 active pilots, those 5 surely must make alllllll the difference...
All were asking for is an honest and detailed reply from CCP. The only reason you guys are getting slated now is because your trying to defend the situation, which you can't do being part of the alleged party.
People need to hear it from CCP not you guys.
Elite Scouting
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten The exployees shoudl of been fired, whats to stop this from happening again.
Why, they did nothign wrong ? [center] Old blog |
The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:12:00 -
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I'm sure that Dianabolic would tell us all sorts of amazing lovely things that could exonerate him, but of course he's been "Sworn to Secrecy".
Band of Developers.
Just sayin'.
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XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:12:00 -
[447]
Kieron,
Since people fail to have reading comprehension 101, could you please state, if ANY wrongdoings at all were found? From Sir Molle
I think that you personally posting player personnel Info on the forums is a bannable offense correct? You editing and removing AFTER half of the EVE community already read the post says alot that your still in game eh ?
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:12:00 -
[448]
bah! Grow the hell up you guys!!!
If you didn't read the actual allegations, you have no place in screaming foul here. Cos the 3rd + hand made up drivel is just plain counter productive.
As a note, I've seen 1 player gain more BPOs than the ones here through the lottery! Its not unknown. And this tin hat rubbish is just plain childish!
Grow the hell up!
Whatever CCP say at this point doesn't matter. There are people out there that want blood, and even if they get it, they're still going to whine because they didn't benefit from whatever was done!
And to all you emo [hand stapled to forehead], "I'm going to leave and so are all my friends" foot stompers. Leave already and stop bleating!
Companies don't reveal internal personell issues to customers. So all this "wah wah wah I'm a paying customer, gimme everything I want" is just fantasy talk. Get over it.
Either you trust CCP to sort the issue: Shut up and get on with playing
or
You don't: Shut up and leave.
14 pages of whining is just plain sickening!
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:13:00 -
[449]
Sack dev(s) and ban characters involved (including mr K.).
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gofoi
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:14:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Auman
Originally by: UKM Thorgrim Edited by: UKM Thorgrim on 07/02/2007 14:48:32
Originally by: Auman Presumerbly all the Black Lance members going mental over the last few pages have cancelled their subscriptions? I mean you'd have to have zero morals to continue playing if you truly believed these allegations and that a cover up was going on...
End of march for UKM Thorgrim. I wont renew it
Also As a member of UKM i wont condone Cheating.. it spoils the Game for every one ELSE.
(thats from an adult, not some Kiddy that plays agame).
Well thats very sad to see someone leaving the game over this kudos for being honest though. I do think the evidence you base all of this on is very suspect and a better statement from CCP would clear this up.
I'm sure something like:
dbp buying accounts : untrue (add proof) molle having fun with ebayers : untrue - they weren't ebayers (add proof) diana beeing informated of ig events : true - diana banned, assets deleted (add proof) 10 bpos given by dev to BOB : true - all BPOS removed, 100B fee to x y and z (add proof)
... would be just great.
(ofc this is all untrue, was giving an example)
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