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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 19:58:00 -
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"However, good people can do bad things. For someone in t20's position, a little temporary impropriety can have long-lasting in-game effects.
If kieron had conducted the investigation and reported the results transparently, I wouldn't be as frustrated as I am."
True, am actually quite frustrated with the vague manner the original announcement was done... if just because it only helps to fuel things like this ongoing 2o pages worth of back-and-forth rabble thing. Sort of hoping they'll follow up with some clarification, if just for the sake of their own employees who are getting the raw end of the deal as the result here :<
"dbp's alt ftw?"
From the earlier remarks/threads i was under impression that's Mittani's alter-ego or accomplice (if i can use such word) ... the -dbp thing is more of ongoing goon injoke than anything? ;s
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Entity
X-Factor Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:01:00 -
[662]
I have just one thing to say:
WTS: Pitchforks and Torches.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Prydeless
Originally by: Jacob Majestic Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 07/02/2007 19:38:34
Originally by: j0sephine Frankly, it's sad to see people hell-bent on raking t20 over the coals in this thread. He's perhaps most dedicated out of them all to provide community on the whole with extra info -- these 3rd party websites with item browsers, jump planners, manufacturing tables etc? They work based on data dumps provided by none but t20. He's been also about the only one to openly (in another thread on this forum) talk how it is to be a dev who plays the game on regular account... i.e. the only person who can be seen as giving some of that "transparency" people scream for. What he gets for that transparency? His own quotes thrown back at him as "evidence of guilt". Yeah, that kind of reaction will work swimmingly in convincing CCP to be more transparent with their playerbase.
I agree that t20 is a good person and an asset to the community.
I also agree that many of the people who are squaking the loudest (Goonswarm, among others) might be construed to have a conflict of interest.
However, good people can do bad things. For someone in t20's position, a little temporary impropriety can have long-lasting in-game effects.
If kieron had conducted the investigation and reported the results transparently, I wouldn't be as frustrated as I am.
However, kieron has shown no interest in transparency. His statement is instead a declaration that CCP intends to sweep this episode under the rug.
This is why I feel this scandal has effects that transcend in-game political affiliation. The sociopolitical fabric of the game depends fundamentally on the concept that in-game assets are acquired fairly. (Think about what would happen to mineral markets if someone found a way to dupe Megacyte, or what would happen to T2 markets if someone found a way to run reactions in station rather than in a POS.)
The mere appearance of impropriety on t20's part is a direct attack on this fundamental assumption.
Mind you, this is the effect of the mere appearance of impropriety. If any actual improper actions took place as alleged the sociopolitical and economic consequences are profound.
This is why I'm squawking.
-dbp
dbp's alt ftw?

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Solid Wilko
Minmatar Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:04:00 -
[664]
Hmm.
I think this is reeking.
A friend of mine got flogged and banned forever. He put in 3 years of his life, was a volunteer ect. He loved the game. since I will obviously get censored/banned for discussing the particulars of his ban, defacto is that even in the aftermath you never sent him his material back even though you promised Kieron.
We are many who has watched his ban with disgust.
Least you could do is live up to your promise to him.
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Athren Soulsteal
Gallente Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:09:00 -
[665]
Why is everyone acting like this is new "news"
When we have talked about the Prat welfare program this is exactly some of the programs (events) we listed, which BTW has been going on since 2003. 
This is not some isolated incident but simply one (1) dev player going just a bit too far into the light of day. This type of stuff is SOP (standard operating procedure) in EVE which is why some of us have been calling for the end of the Prat welfare programs.
I like that the Devs (and the rest of CCP employees) play, in fact I believe that itĘs important so that they can get a frame of reference for when we have a problem (bug, interface, lag, ą) . The only real problem is that it can also bias them so that instead of creating a balanced game they create a bunch of Judas goats to try and enhance their play style instead of enhancing the entire game. 
As they are suppressing this as much as possible these like so many other incidents will quickly become obscure with time, so to everyone that read and or posted in this thread I welcome you to the tin foil hat squad because a year from now if you mention this incident thatĘs exactly what you will be accused of wearing.
Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE.
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Yaay
Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Roland 99 Edited by: Roland 99 on 07/02/2007 06:07:56 Problems I have with this:
1. no names were admitted as to the characters involved. This should have been a public execution of the people who knowingly screwed honest eve players. 2. no assurance given that BOB will no longer have access to privilaged information 3. removing the seemingly limited number of characters alluded to will not keep the afortamentioned info out of BOB hands 4. No action alluded to or taken to remove all the T2 BPO's BOB received via GM intervention and/or hacks and exploits 5. such as no access to Tranquility or special flagging on a developerĘs player character -- would greatly hinder the development of EVE. THIS IS BULLCRAP AND WILL ALLOW THIS ACTIVITY TO CONTINUE 6. WHY THE HELL WERE THESE PEOPLE NOT FIRED??!! 7. like an american political candidate, what they said was designed to enrage the fewest number of people and will result in virtually zero constructive action 8. They got away with it and will continue to do so. No one will defeat BOB with this sickening amount of dev intervention(AKA unexplained lag, sploits, and all that rubbish). I am seriously considering removing my eve account due to the fact that no one has or will ever have a level playing field.
Please do, the game doesn't need people who want to blame their own faults on the devs. So what, someone is better than you at something... it happens.
There are so many myths out there about BoB and their amazing feats only accomplishable by devs. I listend to them for over 2 years. After a while, I finally figured out that people were just looking for complex answers to simple issues.
I've seen crazy stuff in this game that I really can't explain. Most of it doesn't even pertain to BoB or anyone associated with them.
Why don't you people put the myths behind you and start playing the game for what it is, enjoyment.
I'm tired of people making excuses. Maybe, just maybe, BoB is better than the rest. I've played on both sides of this battle, and I see nothing to contradict that.
Yaay
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cyberian Ragnos
First, no hacking was made anywhere that concerns CCP. CCP has no right to punish someone for hacking a forum over which they have no ownership. As far as I know they banned him for disclosing personal information here. Which is inside their right but the same should be applied to Molle for fairness sake.
Second, the means are not more important than the infraction. Sorry, but private forum infiltration and hacking are exactly the same in my view. They are just two different means to accomplish a dirty work.
What some people forget is that this is a game not a world. CCP has the right to do anything they want in their sandbox, even if it were unjust. If they feel someone is harming the game, poof, you are gone. By definition devs can't cheat, but thats gaming philosophy 401 and we are still dealing with 101 here.
If I were a dev of any game, and someone hacked an outside forum and gave away my information to the public, guess how long that player would be in game :) But thats just me
Now as for this on going witch hunt, which I don't think anyone not directly involved has all the facts. As you said 'as far as I know' and thats the issue. Its only as far as anyone knows but in true information age fashion everyone is jumping to the most wild conclusions based on almost no data.
Odds are there is NO way to prove if the dev cheated or not, the logs just don't cover it from then, game logs are tricky things, I've had to deal with them before. (Not eve of course) Yet despite no proof the characters in question are still going to be deleted again for the good of the game.
Also a clarification but there was no rule about private forum posting in COAD until after ASCN protested their forum info being there.
I don't think anyone complaining would accept anything less than a pronouncement of guilty, and the banning of BoB CEO's, which is just arseinine.
Also if hacking and being GIVEN forum access are the same in your view, your views are mistaken. I had access to ASCN forums for the entire war, and I know others who had been gone far longer than me who had access. I could have been a BoB spy had I wanted to be, and I think its a far cry to compare ASCN's total lack of forum protection to using a hack to get in. In game terms its like comparing a loggofski to a wcs :)
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Ishiko
Afterlife inc
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:17:00 -
[668]

- "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
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Yosupyoyoyo
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:21:00 -
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Herculite you are wrong, ASCN complained for over 4 motnhs and nothing was done about their forum being leaked. only after Bob suffered it themselves was it illegal.
The leaked info is authentic, otherwise there would be no justification for banning anyone (it being fabricated).
Read my words before they are censored and removed.
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Bembelritter
Gallente PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:21:00 -
[670]
for me its just easy
i see there will come some transparency in this act of cheating otherwise i and as i know some friends are not willing to further pay money for this game and so i think there will be a lot of people.
i just hope cause this game gave me so much, the game masters will take care, the users will get their faith back.
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Daggiz
Cronus Hunters Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:24:00 -
[671]
In this great game of Eve, this toon is a nobody, and I like it that way. Especially after seeing all of this happen. I am quite certain that regardless of the Alliance, this would have occured. My meager thoughts on this:
1.) Devs should play the game. Period. Only way to find out all the bugs and try and replicate them to get them fixed.
2.) Devs should be allowed to play in any alliance they choose. I have no issues with that at all.
3.) If Devs or anyone else that is on staff or a volunteer with CCP see any hint of impropiety with the group they play with, they should have an obligation to do something about it. No if's, and's or but's. What is worth more? The integrity and the reputation of CCP? Or being able to play with a bunch of friends that you know are going around game mechanics (if that is ever case)?
4.) I feel bad for the devs outed and having to replace three years (or however long) of work in-game and having to start over. That just sucks and if I was a dev I would be wondering if I really wanted to continue playing a game where the challenge "spot the dev".
5.) If this is the final communication on this, wow. Were told findings would be published a few times in different threads, but this kinds insinuates that this is the end of the line. Which is it?
6.) For everyone bashing certain alliances, are your motives that pure? Really, are you after the balanced playing field or are you trying to eliminate a powerful group of players?
I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt to the majority of people involved. "One person's perception is another person's reality" seems to really fit in this case. I do not doubt that no matter what the final findings are (and if they get released) that they will please over 100k people.
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BillyBong2
Amarr Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Yosupyoyoyo Herculite you are wrong, ASCN complained for over 4 motnhs and nothing was done about their forum being leaked. only after Bob suffered it themselves was it illegal.
The leaked info is authentic, otherwise there would be no justification for banning anyone (it being fabricated).
Read my words before they are censored and removed.
The difference is the information from the ASCN forum was aquired from alts that were let into the forum, they did not get their forums hacked into by a player not of the alliance or any corp in the alliance.
If the difference between that escapes you, then I am sorry. _______________________________________________
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Yosupyoyoyo
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:27:00 -
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How could CCP tell it was alts on ASCN forums, they went by what was said on eve/o didnt they. Same as they are doing now, they are taking some strangers word to make a judgement. Or are they strangers.
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Yosupyoyoyo
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:31:00 -
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You will probably respond by saying he admitted it himself, but that was well after multiple threads where deleted before he said where he got the info. Dont forget, the first BoB leaks where deleted 5 minutes after they where posted.
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:31:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Sinlare
If i host my account with you, will you read my mail? will you steal my bank details? i can't prove that you will, and you can't prove you wont. So will i just not host with anyone but my own server or shall i trust your professional judgement?
If you put it that way, I could read your mail even if you had your own server. You need connectivity from somewhere, and if you'd get it from me, I'd potentially be able to read your mail.
However, I don't. Not that you'd know that for sure, but it'd be rather strange for an ISP/webhost to spy on their customers, now wouldn't it? The only time I would do it is if I'd receive a court order for a wiretap. Even then I personally wouldn't be in your stuff, because it all goes into a little magical black box the cops have and I just get to hook it up so it'll record your stuff.
So if you're relating that to devs playing EVE and depending on their professional judgement, you're comparing apples to oranges. There's a distinct difference between an online game, where pretty much everything you do -is the property of the company that created it- which gives them much broader "rights" to do stuff like read your eve-mails.
An ISP/webhost doesn't -have- any ownership, the only thing one could claim to own is the connectivity, and for me to be reading your stuff would, most likely, be illegal because there's this whole thing about the right to privacy.
In EVE, you don't have any of that.
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Tragic Lass
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Yosupyoyoyo Herculite you are wrong, ASCN complained for over 4 motnhs and nothing was done about their forum being leaked. only after Bob suffered it themselves was it illegal.
CCP only became involved after the forum leaks caused people to make specific allegations about CCP employees. These clearly had to be addressed. (Whether or not they have actually been addressed is an exercise for the reader.)
I'm beginning to think that this whole thing is a carefully-planned social experiment.
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Hari Sel'don
Gallente Terminus Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:32:00 -
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I feel moved to post.
Im just your average Jo Bloggs who nowadays pays subscription on a couple accounts and mucks about in empire. Dont have the time to be involved in Alliances anymore but i have in the past and over the course of the last 4 years (i have played since day of release) i have tried pretty much every career choice Eve has to offer. Like everyone here i love the game, passionately.
I was shocked to read the initial allegation threads. I too have witnessed very strange and somewhat suspicious events and/or bugs in my time in Eve. But you move on and give the benefit of doubt and recover and you know, s**t happens!
I couldn't give a fig about BOB and the alleged impropriety. I respect them for what they have done and who they are but i don't particularly like their attitude. I suspect that this holds true for the vast majority of eve subscriptions, all those empire dwellers.
What i care most about is the perceived integrity of the makers of the game i love. Today, (and if there are no more forthcoming, more emphatic announcements) that integrity has been shoddily put into question.
Not enough...is an apt sentiment. CCP you really need to stomp on this and put it to rest in an EMPHATIC manner. Please.
I have read the entire thread. For those of you without the time here are the best posts.
Originally by: Stalert Balakos Dear kieron, Do you really think this statement "will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community"? If so, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.
At the time these allegations first arose you promised us a full investigation. Many of us hoped that you would share the results of that investigation with us but you have not.
You have stated that certain dev characters have been deleted because it had become known that they were used by CCP employees. As I understand it this would have to have happened anyway - whether the allegations were true or not - so this doesn't shed any light on the results of the investigations.
You say that the deletion of these characters is unfortunate, from which we can only infer that they had done nothing wrong, so why not say that? If the investigation revealed that nothing untoward had happened why isn't that written in bold in paragraph one?
It may not satisfy the BoB haters or even (for different reasons) their opposite numbers in the BoB forum squad but for the 90 per cent of us (a pure guesstimate) in the middle it would have been enough.
The fact that you won't share the results of your investigations with us just leads everyone to jump to conclusions and hence you get the resulting flame-filled thread rehashing the same issues all over again.
I'm not interested in seeing anyone's name dragged through the mud, I just want you to tell us straightforwardly what the investigation revealed.
I think you've missed a very good opportunity to once again prove that CCP is the best MMORPG developer out there.
Yours, disillusioned
Stal
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aggro
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:32:00 -
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i see the lack of a HAST post very worrying. he post on every thread going
is he one of the gms mentioned.
i will also be joining other people shouting in local CHEAT when i see a bob member.
IF YOU CANT FIGHT FAIRLY THEN DONT FIGHT AT ALL.
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:34:00 -
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"And I bet you're pretty ****ed off atm? All your accomplishments, tainted forever due to this? Don't tell me you don't care, you know thats a lie."
Am seriously annoyed with the whole "they could've cheated so they obviously did, bring the tar and feathers!" angle, because it's aimed at people i happen to like (and the tight-lipped form of the original announcement obviously isn't helping)
The tainted accomplishment thing... tbh, no, it doesn't matter to me because #1 most people who say it already held that view so it ain't new thing, and #2 i've been there for quite a part of it, and killed, lagged out, died and got bored out of my skull on the freighter runs and corp fund raising sprees with the rest of them... so have fairly good idea how much of real effort went into these things. It would be much easier if we were just cheating instead, actually... but we didn't. So people are free to believe what they want to believe, reading it is a bit like reading serious statements that earth is flat, for example ^^
(i fully realize it must be funny for them to read this sort of statement, for similar reason as they're quite convinced in their outlook... but that's okay, this way it's entertaining for both sides ;s
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Foxdonut
Clan Jadefalke
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:34:00 -
[680]
First of all - I still believe that this is just a game - it's for joy, nothing for taking tooooo serious.
But to the topic:
1. I think it is important for Devs playing this game - last but not least it is part of their work.
2. I also believe that this is an interest conflict, because where humans are involved and the possibility of misuse is given - there will be misuse by someone that has the power to do so. That is kind of human nature and it's in statistic - no need to be Einstein to conclude this.
3. It is my personal opinion, that every large alliance has someone with "the hot wire" to a dev - whatever this may mean. From one I know it for sure... and that is not BoB.
But all thas doesn't matter, because this is just a game - btw could some GM ban the whole Italian 1st soccer league - they are cheatin, everybody knows 
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Hari Sel'don
Gallente Terminus Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cringeley Kieron, you seem to think that you're the police, or a dictator, and all you have to do is stave off discovery and keep everyone in the dark, and everything will be ok.
This is customer relations. You can treat us like customers and get our money, or you can treat us like mushrooms and get a big stanky box of rotten mushrooms to eat while you wait for an unemployment cheque. But you can't keep us in the dark and feed us !@#$ and expect us to pay for the privilege.
I have never been a major proponent of this whole dev misconduct outrage. I agree that devs should be allowed to sample the game, both for their benefit and ours. But this answer you have given is just ridiculous. Devs have played with an in-game alliance, and revealed their identity to their allies. They have done so selectively, and they have delivered major financial benefits to their in-game friends. Worst of all, some CCP employees seem to be able to get away with this, while others who have made contact with other alliances have been brought up short for doing so.
Now whether or not there was any formal cheating involved, you have a major conflict of interest problem on your hands, and you haven't even taken the first of a thousand steps towards solving it. When you were investigating I assumed that things would come out for the best, but this answer has struck my faith in CCP really, really low. Now I'm just waiting to see if devs take in-game reprisals against those who brought the issue to public attention.
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Hari Sel'don
Gallente Terminus Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Therem Harth
I do not subscribe to the blatant dribbling witch-hunt in progress here; however it is rather obvious that BoB reap what they sow. It is rather futile to try and say you are reveling in the "bad guys" image ingame and then put on "mature guys" posture when cornered on forums. The stain of the first kind of inevitably leaks through and mars the latter. Therefore, it is readily apparent that not very much loyal understanding of your pain because of possibly unfounded accusations is to be found around here.
Getting back on topic, I understand that all of this is probably quite painful and discomforting for CCP; however being a company which not only develops, but also runs the game (that is, as a commercial MMOG operator), there is only one way to handle this: unspin. Go full disclosure on violations (of course when you have taken your time to really investigate), and apply all rules for everyone squarely. If, say, dbp is found to be not guilty of anything - say it out loud, costs you nothing and is a definitive authoritative statement (as opposed to public gnawing at cliffhangers). If SirMolle publicly posts RL information about a player and is proved to - ban him, on common grounds, without all the childish countdowns on who hacked who first. Acting firmly, decisively and openly will minimize the hurt for the company, and, after all, we know you can do that, as evidenced before (4S naming crisis, anyone?).
And as to the allegations flying around in this thread, I suggest people come to their senses. It is rather obvious that machinations with T2 BPOs and other instanced objects (including isk) in the game are very easily traced. What IS the problem is the inside/early information leaking. In this game knowing something is the key, and knowing something earlier, or something others don't - gives you a very real and substantial edge (say, POS towers price change in RMR, as a fleeting example). However, it is impossible to fully control and/or investigate. How'd you imagine that? Require a sworn affidavit "I haven't told anyone anything" from every dev, to be witnessed in Hallgrimskirkja? What if s/he blurted something out on #eve-chaos and forgot about it the next day? This can't even be monitored properly. The only thing that can be done is internal CCP cultivation of "don't leak stuff" policy, done in an explanatory way conducive to internal company culture. And all you people crying cheatshaxomgusuck can't do that anyway, so maybe take a napkin and step back a few steps? :)[/quote
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:37:00 -
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Nice to see a statement, but (as has been done to death in the preceding pages) it answers two allegations and leaves others unanswered. In particular, the thing that seems to have enraged people most is the T2 BPO issue. If the investigation could (truthfully) say something along the lines of "the BPOs handed over by the Dev's character were obtained through legitimate means" then a lot of people would be happier. A lot of people would still be frothing at the mouth, but that's the nature of forums.
I'm one of the people who wouldn't want Devs to stop playing the game. But their ownership of high-value items such as T2 BPOs should be scrutinised by auditors as a matter of course, not just when there are allegations from the tinfoil hat brigade.
If nothing else, this has reminded me why I shouldn't read forums. People reading wild allegations (and I've read the stuff on wossname's site), then thrashing around and building it up into a huge conspiracy just depresses me.
All the "OMFG, I used to love you and now I'll never trust you again. I feel soiled! I'm quitting and never playing again. You're all corrupt!" might be a little OTT, no?
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Vandemar Croup
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:38:00 -
[684]
Originally by: Yosupyoyoyo How could CCP tell it was alts on ASCN forums, they went by what was said on eve/o didnt they. Same as they are doing now, they are taking some strangers word to make a judgement. Or are they strangers.
By posting information from ASCN/D2/etc forums the users were in breach of the forum rules they signed up for when they registered their accounts.
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Zyrus Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:46:00 -
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hi guyz
as I see this case there are two possibilities: 1) either this game developer had the power to control the game play 2) or he did not have this power because he is working on something totally different (like grafic stuff etc.)
if 1 ist true, then he does not need to cheat on a T2 BPO lottery. I mean he would be something like a god or at least a powerful mage in EVE. if he wants a T2 BPO he just makes them and *plopp* there they are! and there would be no sideeffect to other lottery participents by creating them that way... if 2 is true, then he also lacks the power to influence / control a lottery in EVE^^
Therefore I doubt that there is much behind this issue except hot air and frustration from players that still havent won a single T2 BPO!
Zyrus
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:53:00 -
[686]
Originally by: BillyBong2
Originally by: Yosupyoyoyo Herculite you are wrong, ASCN complained for over 4 motnhs and nothing was done about their forum being leaked. only after Bob suffered it themselves was it illegal.
The leaked info is authentic, otherwise there would be no justification for banning anyone (it being fabricated).
Read my words before they are censored and removed.
The difference is the information from the ASCN forum was aquired from alts that were let into the forum, they did not get their forums hacked into by a player not of the alliance or any corp in the alliance.
If the difference between that escapes you, then I am sorry.
pretexting is illegal in just about any country that has computer laws hence why bob broke laws to get the information. wich would according to CCP's eula be a bannable offense wouldnt it?
Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I bet investigation took 30 minutes, and it took 2 weeks to write this "report" on investigation. Good job on writing report that says nothing, and avoids answering any real questions.
I think all parties agree that the OP is lacking, in clarity and finality.
Blah, blah, blah.
Are you Kieron? If not... noone was asking you anything. Thanks.
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:56:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Yosupyoyoyo
The threads where deleted 5 minutes after they first appeared, 2 hours later a sticky was made outlawing any external forum linkage. I was checking eve-o when it happened.
That was really funny... CCP wants to be all open and transparent, yet they censor their own forums with the fervor and zeal of .. well.. let's not invoke Godwin's law just yet, but you get the idea. yarr. |

Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:58:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: BillyBong2
Originally by: Yosupyoyoyo Herculite you are wrong, ASCN complained for over 4 motnhs and nothing was done about their forum being leaked. only after Bob suffered it themselves was it illegal.
The leaked info is authentic, otherwise there would be no justification for banning anyone (it being fabricated).
Read my words before they are censored and removed.
The difference is the information from the ASCN forum was aquired from alts that were let into the forum, they did not get their forums hacked into by a player not of the alliance or any corp in the alliance.
If the difference between that escapes you, then I am sorry.
pretexting is illegal in just about any country that has computer laws hence why bob broke laws to get the information. wich would according to CCP's eula be a bannable offense wouldnt it?
you should check in which cases pretexting applies before you use it in a wrongly fashion on these forums. Wikipedia might not always be the best ressource here bud.
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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so now im reading that more devs are in bob, any truth to that kieron?
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