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Angelic Resolution Arcanum Defence Forces	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:40:00 - [1141] TBH I think it sucks that a Dev can do that. What about those countless ships that have been destroyed due to the Saber BPO? Am thinking that CCP should remove all Dev accounts from corporations and have them in their corp or a newbie corp and a little icon so we know they're devs or something. Just something so this can not happen again.
Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:42:00 - [1142] Just like the ice-berg that hit the Titanic I bet all this crap is just the tip!!! No mater what the BPO were, you (the community) can't truly believe that was the only thing that happened that influenced the game beyond the normal player. I feel sorry for the whistleblower who got shafted for bringing this corruption to light! ___________________ Custom banner? Click above or EVEmail
Ori Fong Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:42:00 - [1143] Edited by: Ori Fong on 10/02/2007 07:40:53 Edited by: Ori Fong on 10/02/2007 07:40:22 Alt post for the loss.
JohnStar Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:43:00 - [1144] well since when does ccp ever listen to the players?....not much there is still a bpo lottery,carrier have the size of cruiser...its pointless players always loose sad but true. The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in The EVE Universe..........also GOD'S gift to Woman.
Forkumato	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:49:00 - [1145] Originally by: Maya Rkell 3) Why were goonfleet not banned en-mass for the client-side hack they did. Simple: it's not a hack. It's a mod. That means the interface for performing the modification is open to all, and intentionally so for that purpose. What we're talking about, if you've never tried it, is going into the cache directory of eve, finding the player portraits that were downloaded, and adding portraits for all the players not yet downloaded. It's simple, open, and anyone can do it without any programming or even text editing skills needed.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:49:00 - [1146] JohnStar.. Master of the Obtuse and the Blessed Rabble Rabble.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
ignisgunner Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:51:00 - [1147] eh.....what are you going to do
Sanka Cofie Amarr Ministry of Silly Walks	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:53:00 - [1148] Before I start this whole rant, i'd like to say thanks to the dev's for actually DISCUSSING this entire matter. Considering that they could just as easily have made the matter private and deny that it ever happened. That being said, this is a sad turn for a very fun game to take, and i'm sure there a lot of people right now wondering if CCP is really a company we want to give $15.00 to every month. I'm not saying every accustation agaist BoB is true. I'm not saying every accustation against the dev's is true. But CCP looks VERY VERY bad right now. It looks like they've tried to sweep this under the rug. And if they've done it once then who is to say they haven't done it with other things? On the one hand we ARE thankful to the dev's for making this game that we all obviously love. But on the other, we play this game because its fair, an equal challenge, we all start with the same noob-ship and try to make our way in the universe. To find that it might not be equal, that the player corporations are in fact NOT player corporations but that some of them have been given an unfair advantage is very upsetting. Forget about the ISK, the losses, the BPOs, any of the monetary gain, that one group seems to have been given a VERY serious advantage. The REAL damage is the total lack of trust now. Who is to say that none of the other accusations are true? CCP looks so BAD right now that its possible to believe anything. All of the people banned for selling isk, banned for selling accounts, banned for EXPLOITS and yet cheating from a dev on a MONUMENTAL scale is totally ignored? Its not the ISK value. Its the principle. CCP looks like they don't care about us at all. CCP looks like Sony. All of the questions regarding BoB and how much dev influence they had. All of the questions about the T2 lottery. They're now all of a sudden VALID. On the one hand.... if I handed out free tickets at Disney while I worked there i'd be fired. If I went out drinking with some of the girls I met at Universal i'd be fired. If I gave out a free hotel room to a friend i'd be fired. It doesn't matter how high on the ladder you are or who the special recipient of your gifts is And yet... I don't think t20 should be fired. Because this mess is not entirely of his making. The mess is the lack of clarity. CCP seems like a national governent right now (a group of people who are UNGOVERNED). Governments sweep things under the rug. Right now CCP seem to be veering dangerously towards the philosophy other companies hold, "we do what we want and if you don't like it play a different game". I'm not going to cancel my accounts, because EvE is the best gaming has to offer. But CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE. Aside from the double standards, and the huge questions around BoB's success, the whole idea that this admission is the tip of the iceberg... WHY ARE DEV'S ALLOWED IN TO PLAYER CORPS? Let them govern NPC corps. Let them fly as the Jove and have Jove space and let player corporations try to take it from them with the UNDERSTANDING that you are going up against the devs. Let them handle the faction wars. But don't let the referee play the game. DON'T let them play for a corp because it will BREED controversies like this one. No "Real World" business in the world lets its employees intermingle with customers as if they ARE customers. And at the end of the day the money we spend to play is "Real World" money, not virtual money. Thanks for the forum to gripe CCP. I hope you fix the problems facing EvE Because I do love your game. I'm half Gallente half Caldari... i'm a Caliente!
JohnStar Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:58:00 - [1149] hmm maybe now is a good time for a sabatical and spend some more time with the wife and kids........thanks for ruining my rl ccp............:) The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in The EVE Universe..........also GOD'S gift to Woman.
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:58:00 - [1150] Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 10/02/2007 08:00:04 Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 10/02/2007 07:59:11 Quote: OMG, he lost his toon in RKK! Who cares, someone with his standing will obtain a new toon just like it within minutes of the old one being deleted (or renamed?). someone with a job like his can afford to buy a bunch of gtc and sell them to buy a new char anyway. anyone remember this blog http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=304 Quote: This issue is not up for discussion. Buying your way ahead in EVE is cheating, pure and simple. There are many examples of games ruined by online merchants and their customers, and for good reason. *Who wants to play a game where no one plays by the rules?* Where's the fun in obtaining your goals through normal gameplay, only to have them wiped out by someone who bought his advantage on Ebay? i love it when companys do complete 180's i wonder if theres another reason why ccp wanted to legalise buying isk Who wants to play a game where no one plays by the rules? wheress the fun in obtaining your goals through normal gameplay, only to have them whiped out by someone who spawned items for BOB ------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance i belong to.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:59:00 - [1151] So, t20 keeps his job. BoB get to keep all the profits from their illegally obtained BPOs, which at least DBP KNEW came from a CCP employee, even if he didn't know they were illegal. Well played CCP, you've just utterly and completely destroyed all respect I ever had for you. Sad day. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
ChemicalQueen	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:00:00 - [1152] Well, I have lost faith. We don't know what REALLY occured, but if there is even a chance that more than those mentioned BPO's were distributed to BOB, then the game is completely and totally messed up for me. I'd hate to say it, but if you follow the reasoning, then a rebirth of EVE would seem to be in order. That, or you WILL be losing many of your players - players like myself who have no faith in getting ahead in the game. You (CCP) can let the players decide. Make an EVE "ReBirth" patch and run it in a separate environment (don't fill this thread with lag comments please). Those who want to, can move over with new characters. Those who want to stay regardless of the dark cloud hanging over BoB, stay. I'm sure this is completely do-able, and I'm sure the players would appreciate it. This all because my bet is that BoB will win, taking over everything. They'll just be lonely over there, that's all ;)
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:08:00 - [1153] a bob thread and so little bob posts...
Quaird	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:14:00 - [1154] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Noreen Their method of doing it as they do currently has lead to a 41 page thread of discontent among customers within 7 hours. If they do not take action now, you will find yourself lonely at the next EvE festival. And in less than a week or two noone will even care about this event as no territory or any substancial alliance gain or loss came from it.. Its just the 'common people' haveing a good time lording over ONE of the 'royaltys' trangressions.. Meh.. I highly doubt anyone in ASCN will agree with this statement. Maybe you have not noticed the sudden increase in BOB controlled space in the south? The effects of the ill gotten T2 BPOs in the game certainly helped with the complete and utter destruction of the largest alliance in the game.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:16:00 - [1155] Nice post Sanka.. I'd just add the fact that every CEO in the game would have done the same thing for thier own corp if the chance had arisen.. TBH I'm suprised at all the rancor over some t2 ammo and a dictor bpo that were already available in mass quantitys in the market as the lies treachery subterfuge and unfair play that is a hallmark of 0.0 politics are what makes the game so good.. Thats like **** being fussy over the Gestapos bully tactics after he told them to be that way.. Revelations..** The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Vehestian Killson Corp	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:17:00 - [1156] Originally by: Vehestian Originally by: Vas Arach'ta Save for one or two rational, level-headed posts on this overbeaten topic, I've never witnessed a more vile collection of sensationalists in my entire life. That, coupled with people here who seriously consider real life associations with known felons as being deserving of praise for ANY reason speaks mountains of the utter hypocrisy around here. The mere thought of using that affiliation to try and bully a company response that appeases your own agenda--whatever it is, lurking behind this pathetic pretense of "justice" or "civic responsibility"--it makes me sick to my stomach. How do you people look at yourselves? t20 made a mistake, but he's been held to account for his actions. The rest of you people keep standing on high on your soapboxes demanding his head like a lot of medieval knaves at a public execution. Get a life! Cancel your account and use the money to build a monument to your hacker nub elsewhere! He'll be a pillar of justice next to ccp's faults, won't he! forbidden to post with your main eh? Ok. Upon reading this a second time, it's gotten into my guts. It deserves a rebuke. You, sir/madame, must surely be in the BoB hierarchy. ThereÆs too much salt here for you not to be. To be in such a flutter otherwise would make you mentally unaccountable. To more easily inflate the externals of your aggregate machine, you accuse the outside EVE community - real persons who pay real money to play this game - of being 'vile' 'sensationalists'. If anyone would go to the length to state that he/she would in this case 'feel sick to my stomach', certainly, then, that person has a great deal invested in the outcome of this current trial of Honesty. To accuse the lot of us, the entire player base aside from yourself û You, who, might we mark, are surely perfect and firmly set in reality û as having executed a collective dispensation of verbal pointlessness for only the sake of squeezing a company (CCP) to appease our petty concerns, is a pointless and hollow accusation. You claim no ground. What is our æagendaÆ? We are collectively attacking CCP to make our own gripes heard? No. To any simple mind, that should be most evident. I cannot say anything for the equating of known felons with any measure of deserved praise, but I can say, with the authority of Reason, that accusing your external community means that you effectively render your opinions invalid and biased in the face of what is a democratic multitude who, for the most part, could give a **** about what you think is proper according to your dictations. How do we look at ourselves? WeÆre people. Just like you. Unless you can breathe underwater, contend that statement. Yes. T20 made a mistake. Undoubtably it is one that he has regretted making. Most of us can probably forgive him. But most of us will find it difficult to forgive being accused of being irrational or æsensationalistÆ. Hypocrisy comes best when your æsensationÆ drives you to relegate others to your despised extremity. We arenÆt asking for T20Æs head. We want to know that we can trust CCP after this event. And to your directive of æGet a life!Æ, well, you play EVE as well. WeÆre all nerds here. Follow that hypocrisy, my friend. And weÆll be building no monuments. Thanks. We who are about to lag salut you! 0/
pumkinlumpkin	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:19:00 - [1157] Sad very sad.... I can just feel all the lag now as the cancel scription button is worn out. If 30k of people didnt leave in the next couple days, ccp should get on their knees and give thanks to the god of isk for blessing them with soft heart customers who dont know when to be upset.
10bears	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:21:00 - [1158] "The Commitment" is simple posturing Hellmar. CCP let this sort of thing slide before and they will let it slide again. Thats real life. t20 has no business working near anything EVE.
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:21:00 - [1159] Originally by: Darth Sith I feel compelled to add to this thread before someone claims it has "served it's purpose" and locks it .. The simple fact that some idiot Dev blatantly cheets in a game that we pay for is completely unacceptable. In reading through this list of responses .. it is quite clear that most of us feel that he should loose his job. The simple fact that GM's are creating accounts and just happen to be ranking members of the alliance that seems to never loose is just a bit rediculous to me .. How are these people allowed to do this in the first place? And on what friggin planet is this considered acceptable ? This deserves more then just a slap on the hand .. and I get the distinct impression that CCP is only telling about 10% of the truth. Wake up CCP .. we are the people that pay your paychecks and you are accountable .. for once, put the findings on the table and fess up to exactly what happened if you want to regain the trust of your player base. Any GM's playing the game to 'experience it from the player view " should be routinely starting new accounts and starting from scratch to see what it is really like. Having ranking positions in one of the most powerfull alliances in the game with oodles of isk is not exactly a 'real experience' .. For anyone that thinks just having this guy start a new account and not dealing with the other GM's being blobbed up or the fallout from this situation .. I only have to say.. Get your head out of your ass and join the real world .. this guy saved me some typing i cant wtf belive that the only guy who is banned and will suffer consequences is the one that revealed the huge scam to eve public. that is insenly ridiculous...
Spinnukur	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:25:00 - [1160] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Noreen Their method of doing it as they do currently has lead to a 41 page thread of discontent among customers within 7 hours. If they do not take action now, you will find yourself lonely at the next EvE festival. And in less than a week or two noone will even care about this event as no territory or any substancial alliance gain or loss came from it.. Its just the 'common people' haveing a good time lording over ONE of the 'royaltys' trangressions.. Meh.. Excuse me?? I don't care if it was a 'pea shooter' fact is no matter how you look at it, he contributed to BOB which as you know was fighting ASCN. So no alliance or terroritory lost? I don't think so...he may not have been the contributing factor to ASCN's downfall, but he still contributed, no matter how you look at it, any which way and that. I think its also common knowledge that CCP or should I say 'certain' devs in CCP always disliked or 'didn't care' for ASCN...As a paying customer, I wish to know the reprocussions or 'rules' that CCP has in place for its employees and why such 'RULES' were beant this time for the Dev??? We will not forget this in two weeks or two months, Too many players are and still will be affected with doubts about CCP's integrity and committment to honor its stance as being 'fair and balanced' toward its players, because it is a 'Company', it cannot favour one particular side, and they of all people should know that.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:26:00 - [1161] Why would anyone want to leave the game over this pumpkin? If all t20 did was spawn a few t2 ammo bpos and a dictor bpo how in the world did that mess up eve? Now if he had started spawning titans and motherships and boosting his alliance mates sp totals then ya I'd be with you on this.. But FFS its just some damn ammo.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Anabelle Khan	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:28:00 - [1162] Edited by: Anabelle Khan on 10/02/2007 08:26:35 So if t20 cant keep his cheap Bp's can I have them?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:31:00 - [1163] No.. because according to the masses you'll win eve if you have them.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dravin Dread	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:33:00 - [1164] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus No.. because according to the masses you'll win eve if you have them.. Please stop repeating the same lame argument over and over. It's not about some stupid BPO, it about cheating.
Ashis Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:34:00 - [1165] This overshadows all that has gone on before, as it should. A number of things need to take place for confidence to have the pathway to be restored. Like it or not. 1) T20 needs to be terminated. I like the guy, he seems like a decent fellow from the posting and interviews. He has apologised. But an apoligy doesn't remove consequences. It allows for a sense of closure, of renewal, but it isn't meant to absolve someone of consequences. T20 needs to be terminated regardless of our personal feelings towards the guy (and when this does happen I wish T20 all the best in his future career). 2) Full disclosure. This is just the tip of the ice berg, and I strongly suspect the Devs know that. In a world where CPP is the sole judge, jury, and media around an event we will never have a "smoking gun" -- so CCP needs to fully disclose all the issues with Dev/GM intervention. There are more, they are being held quietly. 3) Reinstatement of Banned Accounts - the whistle blower needs to be let back into the community. 4) Tighter controls. Much tighter. Much much tighter. And some kind of accountability extending beyond the Dev team. 5) Bob - I feel sorry for the guys that don't know the whole story... I honestly believe that most of them have no idea. It may even be that high levels of leadership don't know... but there is more to the story. What we have been given seem to be the scraps. Without the above I feel cheated. Since I feel cheated I want CCP to pay. Because I want CCP to pay I turn into a vocal proponent against the game. Its human nature - If i just wasted 3 years of time playing in someone elses god complex then I want blood - and I will be sure to sour CCPs reputation to get it. Dev Blogs aren't good enough. Sorry, I wish they were. A complete reinvestigation and revamp of policy needs to take place. Hold nothing sacred. Until then my accounts remain cancelled. This isn't a threat - because no one gives a damn about 1 player... it is simply stating the truth because for every person taking the time to tell CCP how many aren't taking the time to tell them. Raise the bar. This is insufficient.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:35:00 - [1166] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Why would anyone want to leave the game over this pumpkin? If all t20 did was spawn a few t2 ammo bpos and a dictor bpo how in the world did that mess up eve? Now if he had started spawning titans and motherships and boosting his alliance mates sp totals then ya I'd be with you on this.. But FFS its just some damn ammo.. As you aparently read the thread I am going to make one last attempt to get you to answer to this simple question. What do you say about the poor sap that did not get a T2 BPO because of t20 removing them from the lottery? Its not a hard to understand question but I can understand you do not want to touch it with a 2000km pole as it would highlight that this, as you call it, non-issue is infact a big ***** deal to the little players like me. Upp untill a few days ago I had well over 400k rp's in fields that could have given the ship he stole, how can I or anyone in my position know that things would not have gone differently if he had not decided to help himself to this print. Devs cloning such important things is not** a non-issue, this is a very major issue that bears down on the very core of CCP's integrity. t20 has confessed that he did it and aparently he has been punished, that is all fine and well but do not claim its a small thing. Sadly enough I very much doubt the issue is over here and I expect this issue to be hot for weeks if not months even if CCP acts correctly (wich I assume they will). Now, respond or quit trolling!
Nelius Gallente untaught Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:35:00 - [1167] Mmm, i'm stunned... I honestly could'nt belive on the allegations when i heard them the first time. Now i can't say that im angry, cause im not, im disappointet. I play the game, up to 10 hours a day, and to do that, i have to trust that the company behind the game, dont favorise on alliance or another. I cant do that anymore, its all fine that t20 has apologised to all the players, but... When did he admit to it? Before or after all hell broke out? Thats right, after. He admits, only when he can't do anything else. When i see it in that light, i cant trust him anymore, and when i can't trust him, i can't trust CCP. Will i cancel my account? No, i can't imagine doing that, however, i will always from now on, whenever BoB (or another alliance), spanks my ass, think whether or not they got help from a Dev in some form... Can we trust you when we ask for a system to be put on stress server? Or will you just inform the owner of the target system? Etc. Now, what can you do to restore, atleast some trust? Well, to be honest, i dont think you can do much really. You got one decision to make, should you keep t20, or fire him? If you fire him, you will make an example, that you WILL NOT TOLERATE CHEAT! Which in turn, will give you some degree of trust again. If you dont fire him, you can say all you want, but you will show the community, that cheat is ok, just dont get caught, and if you get caught, just appologise, and everything is ok... Now the question is, which of the 2 options do you take?
Moostang Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:36:00 - [1168] We believe you CCP /sarcasm. I'm sure the FACT that on 4-5 different occations where I was personally involved in fighting in a system that suffered a node crash bob was able to login and form up with at least 90%+ of theif forces in position before the server would allow even the first ascn member was just a coincidence. I did all the clear cache, multiple client directy, and keeping a second client loaded tricks. Just doesnt help with the server doesnt let you in cause the node is down. I just wish i had a bob alt on my account so i could get in the "allowed" list so I could get in at the same time as BOB..... Oh well...CCP help bob cheat, at least we can formally say bob cheated against us now. No more speculation. It has been proven. [CLS] Moostang Celestial Horizon "G" Spot Division
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:39:00 - [1169] Oh and another thing I noticed from Kierons thread where he answers some common questions... Originally by: Eve Player Question Why haven't you banned <player> from <corporation> for taking/using the BPs? Originally by: Kieron We do not have any proof showing the members of Reikoku (other than t20) had any knowledge that these BPs were illegally gained. We cannot punish players for innocently using items they thought were legal. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online You gotta be kidding me.... there is enough circumstantial proof to warrant at least a big fine for BoB.. of some arbitrary amount. 30 Bil isk or something along those lines. BoB need to be punished in some shape or form for what seems to be a very clear case of looking the other way in the face of developer collusion.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:42:00 - [1170] Originally by: Dravin Dread Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus No.. because according to the masses you'll win eve if you have them.. Please stop repeating the same lame argument over and over. It's not about some stupid BPO, it about cheating. I'll repeat it as much as needed to get the point across.. He spawned some freakin t2 ammo bpos and a dictor bpo.. Is it cheating? yes.. Is it some horrible exploit that has bob taking over every freakin system on the map? FFS NO! He did it for personal gain and fame not to give bob some unfair advantage.. Go whine in a logoffski thread if you really want to contribute to eve cheater crushing.. Your all just **ed he got to do it and you didnt.. Leave the goddaamm man alone.. I'm sure he will be sutably punished.. Revelations..** The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )

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