How much ISK do you estimate that a single decend carrier driver can generate every day ?

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Hi Space Friends,
Coming with our release on Tuesday, weGÇÖre significantly reducing the damage output of Fighters.

Why:
We are making this change because Carriers & Supercarriers are too strong in PvE, specifically anomaly ratting in Nullsec. As you may have seen in the May Monthly Economy Report, there is a significant upward trend in the Money Supply. This is primarily due to NPC Bounties.

This trend is unsustainable. Having such a large ISK faucet is bad for the economy, and this ISK faucet is concentrated to a relatively small number of players.

We also think that Carriers and Supercarriers are a bit too effective in PvP now. This change will significantly change the PvP balance, but weGÇÖre confident that Carriers and Supercarriers will remain powerful options for PvP.

What:

• Light Fighters (Attack): 20% reduction to Basic Attack and Heavy Rocket Salvo damage.
• Heavy Fighters (Long Range Attack): 30% reduction to Basic Attack damage.

We will continue to observe the economy after these changes and will make adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players.

Apparently quite a bit once you look at the data. Enough to shift the money growth in a decidedly unhealthy way.

Is CCP really ignoring all this posts and will not give a flying "panda" about the players and their opinions?

It's obvious that this will be worst change CCP already forced their paying customers... are we still going forward with this tomorrow???

Is CCP really ignoring all this posts and will not give a flying "panda" about the players and their opinions?

It's obvious that this will be worst change CCP already forced their paying customers... are we still going forward with this tomorrow???

Quite a bit isnt an answer , give me a good number . Lets asume a thanatos/nidd(decent fit , not godlike) that the driver can rat for .... 3 hours? maybe up to 5 before he gets TIRED because of actively playing (include in your estimation that the driver will have to dock for an unknown ammount of time in case danger enters in the system )

Now compare that ammount to a VNI that rats 24/7

The problem is that all these nerf changes both fighters and ror cuts above all hit directly the casual player that has one or two accounts because sharks will always adopt to the situation and they got enough money to change profile of their ventures. CCP made a lot of mistakes that where mentioned earlier like for example new sov, skill injectors, citadels mechanic so to mention a few. Simple cuts in fighter and ror stats will not solve the economic problem of eve market because they lead to another cuts in other places and so on and on and on, that is not a solution! And we all know that game is not in balance already.

I have struggled a lot to get to the place where I will be able to fly caps since it was my high end (ultimate goal) in the game but tomorrow my amarr and caldari super/carriers will become pure garbage and I assure you that does not concern only 1% of the 1% of players.

Fighters cuts will make changes in areas of pve, pvp and citadel defense possibilities so it is not simple cut it will more certain trigger more cuts and it will not solve the market problem first of all.

The tomorrow hasty, introduced without consultations and tests patch will affect world of EVE tremendously and will change wiev of a lot of players on the game.

If CCP wanted to curb the market it would cut bounties or limit the amounts of clients per computer and amount of pumped isks to the system would diminish next day.

I say again CCP do not follow that path!

To be fair, the last couple days have been the weekend so CCP employees haven't necessarily been around to keep track of what's going on. That is kind of the downside of announcing a change on Friday when it needs to be set in stone on Monday though...

Is CCP really ignoring all this posts and will not give a flying "panda" about the players and their opinions?

It's obvious that this will be worst change CCP already forced their paying customers... are we still going forward with this tomorrow???

No, they are just ignoring the bears bitching about having their golden goose castrated.

Too must isk flowing into the economy has been a problem for a while now and the single biggest cause is carriers/supers out in null. Revamping the way anoms work to stop this is a big task and will take too much time so they went with the easier option and nuked the problem ships.

This is not the worst change they have done, not even close. If you want your firepower back then start pushing for anoms to be revamped so they cannot flood the market with isk.

Well, this happens when you don't give new end content to players for years, more and more challenging stuff in every x period of time. (How other games do.) Giving more end content makes you fly more expensive ships, risk more isk, buy morre expensive fit on them...etc. A new loot system (with bind to player pve stuff only available through npc market) would redraw tonz of ingame isk from the game. Such as boosters...sell these kind of things and market isk problem solved in days.

No, they are just ignoring the bears bitching about having their golden goose castrated.

Too must isk flowing into the economy has been a problem for a while now and the single biggest cause is carriers/supers out in null. Revamping the way anoms work to stop this is a big task and will take too much time so they went with the easier option and nuked the problem ships.

This is not the worst change they have done, not even close. If you want your firepower back then start pushing for anoms to be revamped so they cannot flood the market with isk.

The problem is that all these nerf changes both fighters and ror cuts above all hit directly the casual player that has one or two accounts because sharks will always adopt to the situation and they got enough money to change profile of their ventures. CCP made a lot of mistakes that where mentioned earlier like for example new sov, skill injectors, citadels mechanic so to mention a few. Simple cuts in fighter and ror stats will not solve the economic problem of eve market because they lead to another cuts in other places and so on and on and on, that is not a solution! And we all know that game is not in balance already.

I have struggled a lot to get to the place where I will be able to fly caps since it was my high end (ultimate goal) in the game but tomorrow my amarr and caldari super/carriers will become pure garbage and I assure you that does not concern only 1% of the 1% of players.

Fighters cuts will make changes in areas of pve, pvp and citadel defense possibilities so it is not simple cut it will more certainly trigger more cuts and it will not solve the market problem first of all.

The tomorrow hasty, introduced without consultations and tests patch will affect world of EVE tremendously and will change wiev of a lot of players on the game.

If CCP wanted to curb the market it would cut bounties or limit the amounts of clients per computer and amount of pumped isks to the system would diminish next day.

I say again CCP do not follow that path!

issue is they didnt nuke all the problem ships they only nuked the elitist problem ships which are also the end game some players are work towards. if they really wanted to control the isk income just nerf the ticks and that would be way easier than nerfing fighters.

and if they truly want to shut everyone up on this issue they should just issue a detailed report on bounty payout based on ship class by simply saying 140m tick must be super ratting and using it as a basis that all carrier and super carriers are making the same is not justifiable

Nonsense.

Look at the data FFS. ISK growth was pretty much flat for quite some time.

Start


Middle

End


Plus about 200M in true sansha stuff , that makes it almost 1B in 21hours .
VNI , 5months old noob player .
Super chill ratting , i watched Logan (2+half hours movie , bet you cant do that while you rat with carrier )
3 Episodes of Blood-C
ALOT YOUTUBE
ALOT OF CHATTINGS
Ate breakfast , lunch and dinner .
Drunk 3 coffees
Played alot of matches in HS (also got a legendary card from pack! )




Sure , carriers is the problem .....

Than use the other ship; are you that bad at EVE you are not using the best ship for the job or is the ship worth using even with this draw back and thus your point is of little value or concern? Which is it? One ship is not going to be the best choice for everything in the game - get into some other ships and try them on for size.

Well, this happens when you don't give new end content to players for years, more and more challenging stuff in every x period of time. (How other games do.) Giving more end content makes you fly more expensive ships, risk more isk, buy morre expensive fit on them...etc. A new loot system (with bind to player pve stuff only available through npc market) would redraw tonz of ingame isk from the game. Such as boosters...sell these kind of things and market isk problem solved in days.

please attribute that to carrier ratting

like i mentioned unless ccp throw the statistics to indicate that carriers are the true cost to the spike that the only way to shut everyone up but shutting isk income and killing a ship pvp-wise along the way is just not justifiable

Now what is the same with a carrier ratting the same amount of time?

Seriously, you take an extreme case and pretend it is the norm.

Like I said, please do not go full moron.