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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:40:00 - [331] Originally by: Axel Vindislaga I refered to these "Thieves" as "Salvagers" to show them in a different light. And the WHOLE POINT OF STEALING is that there is a HIGH REWARD for LOW RISK. shakes head disbelivingly Thats why people don't like it. Should Ore thievery cause a rule rewrite? My corp simply blew the ore thieves away when we had trouble with them. Also you whole idea rests on the "LAID FINAL BLOW" Idea. This is open to abuse aswell. A player can then zap an almost dead target milliseconds before your final salvo hits home. THEN WHAT EH? In the end its twisted scrap in space. Its anybodies to take unless they can defend the kill. Watch the discovery channel and see how nature works the rules. NO RULES. I have an idea. Make a FRIEND. Get the Friend to loot the wreck while you guard it. You have a brain you have options. IMMVO There should concord protection if you are destroyed in high sec space. Protection of YOUR Wreck if you some how come to Grief. New professions need encouragement. I see nothing more noble or grand about blasting an enemy to pieces than I do in "salvaging". Its all a game man. I think its funny that they get your loot and your goat. It did cause a rule rewrite about three years back. SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Daemonspirit Minmatar Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:11:00 - [332] Originally by: JVol Originally by: Daemonspirit Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Nope - property doesn't belong to someone different until it actually changes hands. - Until someone ELSE takes possesion, it is STILL the property of the original owner. AK ^-^ This. No support, defend what you've destroyed or loose it. You guys just dont get it do you? You CANT defend it because when vultures steal they arent flagged to you. They are flagged to the guys you just killed... THAT arent there anyways, or I wouldnt be worring about loot cause I'd still have war targets shooting me. Our option would to be to get concorded trying to kill them ?? They risk nothing, thats the problem. CCp needs to regognize the war targets loot is mine, not the first person to get to (unles his flashy red ass can get away from me). I do get what your saying. The loot belongs to the guy who's ship you just blew up. If you (or someone else gets it) thats stealing from the last person who had possesion. If you can't get possession, you don't get ownership. ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:10:00 - [333] Originally by: Daemonspirit I do get what your saying. The loot belongs to the guy who's ship you just blew up. If you (or someone else gets it) thats stealing from the last person who had possesion. If you can't get possession, you don't get ownership. So, by your logic, do you think that CCP should make ALL loot drops the ownership of the guy who's ship you killed, INCLUDING NPC Pirates? Right now, if you shoot NPC's, the loot dropped belongs to the killer, and all we're asking for is the same for PvP kills. (If you don't agree yet, tell me why the two should be different.) You know, if we do make everything the same, and NPC loot drops are owned by the first person to pick them up, then that means anytime I'm Ninja Salvaging in a Mission, I have the ability to loot EVERYTHING, without the fear that the Mission Runner has any ability to shoot. Put the vote up for that one, my friend, and see what comes out of the woodwork. We're Recruiting!
Midnighter The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:53:00 - [334] Edited by: Midnighter on 19/12/2008 16:58:42 Example as to why OP is wrong. I walk down the street and shoot someone. I then take their wallet from theor corpse's pocket. It does not magically become MY wallet, it becomes murder & robbery. EVE being an immersive game tries to use ownership laws that are simple to work with and that reflect a realistic dynamic. Just because you broke it does not mean you paid for it. Why are NPCs different? Well you're bounty hunting and EVE applies some cool old laws around in the days of cowboys and other cool stuff. In some jurisdictions, if you killed or brought in a known fellon you were given rights to their possessions (those not needing to be confiscated for being aquired illegally). Also see Privateering. So, for being criminals, CONCORD is pretty much suspending the ownership rights of the pirates and gives those rights to the "bounty hunter" as a "reward". Yay for six-gun justice! * * London Pub Meet 28/02/09 - Sign Up Now! * *
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.12.19 17:17:00 - [335] Originally by: Midnighter Why are NPCs different? Well you're bounty hunting and EVE applies some cool old laws around in the days of cowboys and other cool stuff. In some jurisdictions, if you killed or brought in a known fellon you were given rights to their possessions (those not needing to be confiscated for being aquired illegally). Also see Privateering. More to the point, when shooing an NPC, the NPC's in their "Gang" are shooting at you anyway. I would never support this and I feel it's the wrong fix. People that support this and use NPC loot belongs to me argument have a more simple fix. The loot remains that of the NPC, meaning if you steal from the loot can, you are agro to the Corp/alliance of the NPC. There are two fixes:- 1) Fix it the wrong way, the way the OP suggests. You are on the hook for killing, not stealing. If you steal, then you're on the hook for both. 2) Change the NPC to always own the loot. This would be more correct, and logical. Be careful of what you ask for, the profession of looting peoples cans in missions would be very profitable :) Amarr for Life
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.23 03:38:00 - [336] Originally by: SencneS :: snip :: 1) Fix it the wrong way ... :: more snip :: 139 people in this thread seem to think otherwise ... I've NEVER said my way was the right way ... I'm not that ARROGANT. I asked for the issue to be reviewed BTW: Back in view Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.12.23 08:18:00 - [337] If I blow it up, then it's mine. Taking from it makes you my enemy. That is how Eve was always supposed to work (prior to 'wrecks' taking from the can dropped from a destroyed ship was theft and the attackers were free to shoot you). Wrecks have broken the mechanic so that they can be 'ninja salvaged'... CCP merely needs to put ownership back in the hands of the vanquisher.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.23 14:05:00 - [338] Originally by: Mister Xerox Wrecks have broken the mechanic so that they can be 'ninja salvaged'... CCP merely needs to put ownership back in the hands of the vanquisher. Read more. This thread has nothing to do about Ninja Salvaging. We're Recruiting!
WheatGrass Aliastra	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:15:00 - [339] "To the victor belong the spoils." -1831 New York senator, William L. Marcy The programmers have a tough job with this. Yet, it should be addressed and I am pleased that CCP has committed to doing so. I propose that players who loot and salvage the property of others incur a substantial security hit. If they wish to behave lawlessly then let them Be lawless in low sec. Living in a society requires some restraint. Those who choose to not show restraint will move themselves ever nearer to banishment. Then pirates will have their day.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:34:00 - [340] Originally by: WheatGrass I propose that players who loot and salvage the property of others incur a substantial security hit. If they wish to behave lawlessly then let them Be lawless in low sec. Living in a society requires some restraint. Those who choose to not show restraint will move themselves ever nearer to banishment. Then pirates will have their day. Read more. This thread has nothing to do about Ninja Salvaging. (Didn't I just say this?) If you want to debate it further, please do it in this thread. Yes, I realize you've already posted there. Shame on you for cross-posting your opinions in The PitBoss' thread. (You're wrong, by the way. Your salvage, and the salvage of all Mission Runners belongs to me.) We're Recruiting!

The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.26 22:32:00 - [341] Just a friendly bump to bring it back into discussion Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:04:00 - [342] Originally by: The PitBoss Just a friendly bump to bring it back into discussion Welcome back! I tried, but as you can see, people just decided to accept my argument, and went on their merry way. We're Recruiting!
Efrim Black Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.27 02:36:00 - [343] Originally by: The PitBoss Originally by: SencneS :: snip :: 1) Fix it the wrong way ... :: more snip :: 139 people in this thread seem to think otherwise ... out of 250,000 players. Fix'd. No one cares. Fly a faster ship, or use a tractor beam. Better yet, maybe you should have your fights somewhere other than right outside a station. When I see people dueling outside a station, I make it my personal mission to salvage and loot their wrecks. Just because it seems silly to me to fight in plain view of a lot of people who have no qualms about stealing your "hard work"
Slave 775 Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 09:55:00 - [344] Edited by: Slave 775 on 09/02/2009 09:59:30 Originally by: Efrim Black Fix'd. No one cares. Fly a faster ship, or use a tractor beam. Better yet, maybe you should have your fights somewhere other than right outside a station. When I see people dueling outside a station, I make it my personal mission to salvage and loot their wrecks. Just because it seems silly to me to fight in plain view of a lot of people who have no qualms about stealing your "hard work" how about getting a clue about game mechanics ? Centuries ago, the Bible warned of dangers posed by evil men described as ômaster[s] at evil ideasö and ôscheming to do bad.ö (Proverbs 24:8) PRIVATEERS Officialy nerfed by CCP 05/07
Ruri Dant Onorata Societa	Posted - 2009.02.09 13:01:00 - [345] the other day we killed this ship: http://www.actisystem.net/onoratasocieta/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=697 some random noob kid in an NPC corp stole the loot while the guy popped. It is not fair that someone who is in a NPC noob corp for avoiding PVP (or other reasons) can profit WITHOUT NO RISK WHATSOEVER. Pit boss i support you
Yarik Mendel Privateers	Posted - 2009.02.09 13:53:00 - [346] Supported with all my lifeforce!
Cataracts GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.09 08:59:00 - [347] Good idea.
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:10:00 - [348] Originally by: Ruri Dant the other day we killed this ship: http://www.actisystem.net/onoratasocieta/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=697 some random noob kid in an NPC corp stole the loot while the guy popped. It is not fair that someone who is in a NPC noob corp for avoiding PVP (or other reasons) can profit WITHOUT NO RISK WHATSOEVER. Pit boss i support you Perhaps you should be asking you're tacklers why a random noob beat them to the loot ? Or are they noob as well.
Zenethalos Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:45:00 - [349] Supporting the pitboss on this one. If you kill a WT you should rights to the gear that was on their ship and any one not on the KM/in the corp should not be able to steal the gear without any form of danger. As for why don't your tacklers just loot the wrecks. Have you ever been in a fleet fight your tacklers duty shouldnt be to run and scoop a wreck after every kill. A little while back we were in a fight and killed 5-6 ships when we were done we looked for the wrecks they were all looted and salvaged within 10-20 seconds of the fight coming to close. Every single one of the looters was in a noob corp.
Khanoonian Singh Ramshackle Industrial Unity Thru Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:30:00 - [350]

Terra Mikael SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:10:00 - [351] The griefing potential is endless... I totally approve. ________________________________ Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
ToTheCore Angels. Acid.	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:13:00 - [352] Supported. I can't even begin to imagine how much loot I've lost to people that steal from the wreck while you're still fighting or aren't in range of the wreck. ---
CrestoftheStars Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:38:00 - [353] well obviously they should get flagged. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.29 15:29:00 - [354] Edited by: The PitBoss on 29/04/2009 15:31:52 OK new CSM Candidates GET TO WORK BTW: If you're gonna post to this thread (Thumbs up -or- Thumbs down) ... PLEASE take the time to read the original post: CLICKY Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Susan Morals	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:15:00 - [355] Thank you for pointing out a problem with the wreck/loot mechanics, clearly NPC wrecks should belong the the NPCs. Oh, I'm sorry, did you have a different point?
Spiteful Soul Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:39:00 - [356] There should be risk in everything, even minimal. What risks are there in looting other peoples wrecks while in a NPC corp, getting suicide ganked? 100% support.
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:52:00 - [357] Originally by: Susan Morals Oh, I'm sorry, did you have a different point? Yeah .. you're a douche bag ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Susan Morals	Posted - 2009.04.29 17:14:00 - [358] Edited by: Susan Morals on 29/04/2009 17:18:38 Originally by: The PitBoss Originally by: Susan Morals Oh, I'm sorry, did you have a different point? Yeah .. you're a douche bag ... Whoo! I just won 5 isk of a corpmate, I was sure that you wouldn't have a polite, logical response. Thank you.
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.29 17:23:00 - [359] Originally by: Susan Morals Whoo! I just won 5 isk of a corpmate, I was sure that you wouldn't have a polite, logical response. What do you expect when you TROLL ... i'll give you 5 isk to GO AWAY ... BTW ... thanks for the bumps .. it warms my heart to see my post on the front page Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Lubomir Penev interimo Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.29 18:40:00 - [360] Originally by: WheatGrass "To the victor belong the spoils." -1831 New York senator, William L. Marcy The programmers have a tough job with this. Yet, it should be addressed and I am pleased that CCP has committed to doing so. And yet no progress on this subject so far.... -- 20081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 20090317 : back under original ownership



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