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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: The PitBoss on 23/05/2008 12:04:50
I can't tell you how many times i've risked my ship in PVP and got the kill ... JUST to see my only REWARD get stolen by some 2 day alt with a faster ship.
The looter takes no risk to reap a HUGE reward at times ... IF it is just salvage .. why is the looter flagged to the person whose ship it was
PLEASE re-examine this policy
THE FIX: Looter should be flagged to EVERYONE on the kill mail ... AT THE VERY LEAST ... the looter should be flagged to the person laying the 'Final Blow'
Thanks,
PB
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216 San Matari.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 23/05/2008 12:06:25 Personally I don't think so. Strictly speaking, these 'spoils of battle' do not change ownership just because you blow their ships up. Think about it, how can you put a claim on something before you've grabbed it off the enemy carcass?
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:11:00 -
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In what level security status is this issue most frequent, and under what conditions? eg. High sec war? eg. Low-Sec?
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 23/05/2008 12:06:25 Personally I don't think so. Strictly speaking, these 'spoils of battle' do not change ownership just because you blow their ships up. Think about it, how can you put a claim on something before you've grabbed it off the enemy carcass?
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Then why is it when someone loots from an NPC wreck i've risked my ship to kill is FLAGGED to me ...
PLEASE ... TELL me the difference ...
/support
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
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Thessu Madshaii
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:29:00 -
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well.. i think the same as Jackhammer... before the wreckages appear, there were the can¦s, and if u had stole from it, u were flashing red for the killer¦s Corporation... its very hard for PvPer to survive from the financial aspect, so we just want what is ours...
/support!
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Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:29:00 -
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I definitely support this. Whilst I agree there should be some moderation in what you can actually do, wreck looting is a punishment-less crime at the moment.
For example, in Frarn there is a rogue looter who steals items from LVL4 missions, apparently by scanning them down. How can this be fair to the person running the mission?
Someone suggested that it makes sense that you can't 'claim' something you've just killed, but I'm sure you could call it in terms of Salvage rights - perhaps this could be a voluntary thing ? you can opt to let anyone loot your wrecks, or that it only be members of you gang/corp/alliance ?
Anyway - I strongly support this, it's incredibly frustrating to have your loot pinched.
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:31:00 -
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This should have been fixed ages ago.
We need dual wreck ownership to the killer and the victims corp.
Its just plain wrong someone can steal from the wreck, and you can do absolutely nothing about it.
In security below 0.4 you can at least shoot him for stealing. But in highsec you cant do anything without concord knocking at your door.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:40:00 -
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Indeed, this cannot be that hard to fix. This should apply to mission runners as well. If you rip off another guys stuff you should be flagged.
Hooch
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Seetesh
Pixels Docks
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:03:00 -
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I agree with this, but it shouldnt stop looting as a whole it should just be riskier to the looters.
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Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sigul Siento on 23/05/2008 13:18:13
Originally by: The Jackhammer
Then why is it when someone loots from an NPC wreck i've risked my ship to kill is FLAGGED to me ...
PLEASE ... TELL me the difference ...
/support
The DIFFERENCE, is that NPC's are there to provide pve. It would be meaningless if dead NPC's should have the lootrights to their own wrecks.
But why should you get rights to the loot of someone you just attacked? It would make no sense if the game mechanics were to say that the wreckage/loot of a player ship blown up as a result of unprovoked aggression were to belong to the aggressor.
The system is fine as it is.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: The PitBoss on 23/05/2008 13:33:29
Originally by: Sigul Siento ... ::snip:: wreckage/loot of a player ship blown up as a result of unprovoked aggression were to belong to the aggressor... :: snip ::
Ever hear of the game mechanic called .. The War Dec ??
Thanks,
PB
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Ceylana Zari
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:34:00 -
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I support this 100%.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:41:00 -
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No.
Wreck belongs to Victim.
Grow a pair and PVP in low sec / null sec rather than high sec suicide ganking then you can shoot anyone who goes for the loot.
Concord should not support suicide gankers.
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Piitaq
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:41:00 -
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Yeah its frustrating to see someone else steal your hard work, without being able to do anything about it!
I know just how you feel!
Problem is people just laugh when carebears get ripped off, but whines when PvPer does
Ohh the hypocracy
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Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss Edited by: The PitBoss on 23/05/2008 13:33:29
Originally by: Sigul Siento ... ::snip:: wreckage/loot of a player ship blown up as a result of unprovoked aggression were to belong to the aggressor... :: snip ::
Ever hear of the game mechanic called .. The War Dec ??
And how does your fix: "THE FIX: Looter should be flagged to EVERYONE on the kill mail ... AT THE VERY LEAST ... the looter should be flagged to the person laying the 'Final Blow'"
differentiate between war dec kills and other kills? Even if you edited it to "flag if victim and agressor(s) were at war" it still shouldn't change. It can still be an unprovoked attack and I haven't seen anywhere any rule saying that a war dec gives the dec'er rights to the property of the dec'ee, beside what they manage to actually take.
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:32:00 -
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No. It's not your stuff. If you want it, take it.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:35:00 -
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as a pvpr for the last 2 years.... signed... those who dont pvp.. probably dont get it ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: The Jackhammer on 23/05/2008 14:40:48
Originally by: Dav Varan No.
Wreck belongs to Victim.
Grow a pair and PVP in low sec / null sec rather than high sec suicide ganking then you can shoot anyone who goes for the loot.
Concord should not support suicide gankers.
What about LEGAL war targets? ... I'm in no way supporting OR condemning suicide gankers ...
Originally by: Sigul Siento .... I haven't seen anywhere any rule saying that a war dec gives the dec'er rights to the property of the dec'ee ....
Hey BRAINIAC .. thats what this forum is for ... TRYING to create change where people feel the rules need to be 'adjusted' ...
We've been exposed to you 'insightful' opinion now ... so please run along to ANOTHER thread ...
NOTED: Thats 1 more vote against ..
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kyle Frost on 23/05/2008 15:04:47 Agreed , this should be fixed. It makes it very hard to earn money through empire PvP, not to mention that it is annoying as hell.
Serenity, i don't think this is much of an issue in lowsec, but in high security systems it is a big problem. The loot from the wreck is gone in a matter of seconds. It's like a pack of vultures swarms over it and sometimes they won't even leave the bones ( i.e. they salvage the wreck very fast ). All we are asking is to be allowed to shoot those vultures
NOTE: I am talking about wrecks left from war targets - not suicide ganking. ------
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Arvald
The School 0f Fine Arts
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:35:00 -
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/signed, managed to kill a wt in a mission ship not to long ago and he dropped a complex booster.......friggin 1 month old player got to it because he was in a merlin and i was in a plated abaddon -_-
Originally by: Liang Nuren
There are no dangerous ships, there are dangerous people. IIRC, you are one of them.
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TEK9
Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:55:00 -
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/signed
I have no objection to anyone trying to steal my loot, I just want to be able to shoot them if they do.
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Sir Atkinson
Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:55:00 -
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I agree very much.
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The RedPlague
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Think about it, how can you put a claim on something before you've grabbed it off the enemy carcass?
Think about this ... if i just made an enemy carcass .. and you reach over and start sifting through his pockets right in front of me ... DON'T think i won't bash your head in ... game mechanics won't let me ...
/i totally agree (signed)
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:08:00 -
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Wholeheartedly agree.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Steintz
Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 19:01:00 -
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/signed
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CoatedMoose
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Posted - 2008.05.23 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: CoatedMoose on 23/05/2008 19:27:03 Signed
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GARRAK
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Posted - 2008.05.23 19:44:00 -
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Agreed something should be done, gangs have lost countless isk on both sides... even your fellow corp mates can't pick ya blown wreck loot up cos some nub frigate has been orbiting the ship ready to drag and drop the loot.
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VanHell
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:41:00 -
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i support this!!!
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Jairzinho
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:50:00 -
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Agreed.
If its pvp it should be your wreck. You take the risk in the battle you should get a reward
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Kehmor
PAK
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kehmor on 23/05/2008 21:11:00 It should have been this way from the start. At the very least make it flagged for both you and the opposing corp. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes. |
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