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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:44:00 -
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theft should have consequences.
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Spork Thalamus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:50:00 -
[152]
I definitely agree that this should be reviewed. It seems obvious that the victor in a legal war dec kill should have a claim on the spoils.
But having a claim on loot from piracy (especially hi-sec suicide ganks) would be a bit of a stretch to justify.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.05.28 03:22:00 -
[153]
I approve of this message and/or service
Recruitment: [ANTI]
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.28 04:28:00 -
[154]
Ok im gonna jinx it now by expressing supprt.
Been so long since i been in high sec i forget how bent this game mechanic is.
SKUNK
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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:18:00 -
[155]
Thumbs up. Being able to dock with a global is also the stupidist rule in EVE. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
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Faltryka
The Dark Tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:50:00 -
[156]
Absolutely Agree. |
Yanik Olsen
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Posted - 2008.05.28 07:11:00 -
[157]
/signed
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Laveaolous
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.05.28 08:41:00 -
[158]
/signed
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Waxau
The Fated Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 09:26:00 -
[159]
Hi Pitboss!
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:12:00 -
[160]
I agree, if you kill somone you should have rights to the spoils.
we are recruiting!
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Kwedaras
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:38:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Kwedaras on 28/05/2008 10:37:55 i support this!
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Hoggustus
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:56:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Hoggustus on 28/05/2008 12:58:36
Originally by: Ehranavaar theft should have consequences.
How can salvaging can be called theft? here's how I view it! In the first place the ship is mine since I paid for it, equip it, rig it, whatever... You blow my ship for whatever reason... the wreck is mine since it's the wreck of MY ship! yeah YOU blow it to have acces at my cargo (or simply for fun) you can even salvage MY wreck if you want. So if a third party come and salvage before you do it... he's not agressing you in any matter! so you should'nt have any reason to gain aggression right over him! The rightfull owner of the wreck is still me! even if you blow it up... it's not yours rightfully it's MINE! The agression right should be mine, even if i've been blown up!
This is the reason i don't give any support for this demand... and unfortunately... i think CCP have the same view!
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/05/2008 10:53:25 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/05/2008 10:52:46
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
don't you get an aggro timer when taking other people loot ? means no docking for 15 minutes ? or am I confusing things here ?
No, you don't.
You can scoop someone's loot and dock immediately - the only risk is that owner of the wreck (who's already out of a ship due to becoming a preety explosion and will definitely need more time to dock->get in ship->undock->warp to the scene then a vulture needs to scoop loot -> warp to station at 0 -> dock) has kill rights for the next 15 minutes.
Which you can just wait off in station if you wish.
Dual-ownership (with people on the KM + the victim and his corp all being owners on the wreck) insures that the victors after a fight can attack the vultures (and without a sec hit too, which is the issue for positive sec status people in low-sec wars) and fend them off.
Any comments about the defeated tractoring X or Y are totally moot, they're all dead or fled. You don't tractor wrecks while fighting.
The suicide gankers on killmail are all dead anyway so it doesn't help them in any way or form (while the escorts can still fire on thieves as they can now, hence dual ownership).
This will be increasingly important as FW hits. People wishing to avoid sec hits (or, in high-sec, concordokken) will have no way of protecting the loot from their kills in low-sec or high-sec. FW being one giant war, I expect that something will need to be done to make it possible for people to defend their loot (if the vultures want to salvage, fine).
While right now this is not a issue which affects a lot of players, with FW it suddenly will be.
Oh right. You could not loot the wreck of you victim in that case :-)
Well the solution then is simple. Make this a criminal flagged action with full consequences except a war dec is active between the looter and the owner of the wreck.
This will:
1. Prevent suicide gankers to profit in the first round 2. Make a fun game out of looting. Like you take somebodys can, you get popped and now all the things are in YOUR can. And somebody takes again and so on and so forth :-)
That would be fun :-))) Oh and no insurance in that case :-))
--- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
AbdullahAhmed
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:31:00 -
[164]
Signed and supported.
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IRONUTRR
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:01:00 -
[165]
You got my support
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Amarr Holymight
Bat Country Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:19:00 -
[166]
Well wardeccing has to have its pitfalls so no to this.
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winthrowe
Node Alpha Defense Research
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:15:00 -
[167]
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Xaryus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:49:00 -
[168]
War doesnt give you ownership rights. Simple as that. Loot belongs to the victim until looted.
-- Everyone is someone elses wierdo. |
Lost Hamster
Serenity and Hungarian Operational Team Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:28:00 -
[169]
No Support.
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JVol
The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:37:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Xaryus War doesnt give you ownership rights. Simple as that. Loot belongs to the victim until looted.
War shouldnt be the main point of this change, what about anti pirates? What about honorable one v ones? What about when you flip a gank and kill the gankers? All these are also reasons to support this change. Dont get me wrong, it should definatly include war targets as well... Point is, this doesnt just benifit 'pirates' or 'empire griefer war decs' or suicide gankers, its good for eve, period.
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Professor Leech
Southern Light Entertainment Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:16:00 -
[171]
Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Professor Leech Privateers was the best concept ever introduced into eve and now it's members are reduced to whining about salvage..
If you can look past who actually brought this subject up ... I KNOW you would see the light .. BUT you can't because you're shallow ... so ... move along
Reread what I wrote. I've have supported the privateers since day one and had a ball flying around killing all those red background stars on overview.
Everything that drops from a ship is salvage I don't view taking the loot or rig components as theft. Part of the challenge of being a 0.0/low sec pirate or high sec war dec corp is managing to nab the loot without getting killed.
High sec is full of opportunists looking for easy isk and they are your competition. Whining about them is just sad.
I support removing all can flagging. This might hurt the can flip pvpers but that's about all.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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JVol
The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.05.29 02:17:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Professor Leech Privateers was the best concept ever introduced into eve and now it's members are reduced to whining about salvage..
If you can look past who actually brought this subject up ... I KNOW you would see the light .. BUT you can't because you're shallow ... so ... move along
Reread what I wrote. I've have supported the privateers since day one and had a ball flying around killing all those red background stars on overview.
Everything that drops from a ship is salvage I don't view taking the loot or rig components as theft. Part of the challenge of being a 0.0/low sec pirate or high sec war dec corp is managing to nab the loot without getting killed.
High sec is full of opportunists looking for easy isk and they are your competition. Whining about them is just sad.
I support removing all can flagging. This might hurt the can flip pvpers but that's about all.
No..
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Professor Leech
Southern Light Entertainment Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.05.29 03:39:00 -
[173]
Originally by: JVol No..
I find your reasoning to be unconvincing.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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The RedPlague
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.29 04:12:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Professor Leech Whining about them is just sad..
I find nothing in this thread that should remotely be considered whining ... except for your reasoning why this issue shouldnt be addressed.
Go OP
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:40:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Professor Leech Privateers was the best concept ever introduced into eve and now it's members are reduced to whining about salvage..
If you can look past who actually brought this subject up ... I KNOW you would see the light .. BUT you can't because you're shallow ... so ... move along
Reread what I wrote. I've have supported the privateers since day one and had a ball flying around killing all those red background stars on overview.
Everything that drops from a ship is salvage I don't view taking the loot or rig components as theft. Part of the challenge of being a 0.0/low sec pirate or high sec war dec corp is managing to nab the loot without getting killed.
High sec is full of opportunists looking for easy isk and they are your competition. Whining about them is just sad.
I support removing all can flagging. This might hurt the can flip pvpers but that's about all.
I can only support this :-) Back to the days of old with no can ownership ...
Miners should get bigger anchorable cans, that's all that's needed ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Professor Leech
Southern Light Entertainment Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:40:00 -
[176]
Originally by: The RedPlague
Originally by: Professor Leech Whining about them is just sad..
I find nothing in this thread that should remotely be considered whining ... except for your reasoning why this issue shouldnt be addressed.
Go OP
Well if people want to be flagged to every man and his dog don't blame me if you get blown up.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Manic Mole
VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 07:00:00 -
[177]
very yes on this ---[sig starts here]--- a proud member of Venom72 & Sylph. eveything i say is my personal feeling etc, etc, etc... |
Riwibb
Blackriver Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 09:30:00 -
[178]
yupp
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aUTOKILL
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.05.30 00:23:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: The RedPlague
Originally by: Professor Leech Whining about them is just sad..
I find nothing in this thread that should remotely be considered whining ... except for your reasoning why this issue shouldnt be addressed.
Go OP
Well if people want to be flagged to every man and his dog don't blame me if you get blown up.
ok i wont ~~~~~~ doin it for the stats
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Tellnan Matkiel
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.05.30 00:30:00 -
[180]
Agreed.
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