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Andski
GoonWaffe
3202
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Posted - 2012.03.18 02:30:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:RDevz wrote:It's amazing how playing station games in Jita qualifies you to talk about titans. What's to be qualified for? Everyone has access to the same ships in EVE, you have more pilots than any coalition in EVE, yet you're tying to make it sound like other alliances have some sort of unfair advantage over you? Face it, it's simply your FC's are too scared to use Super Caps....so you want them nerf'd. What else are your FC's scared of that CCP needs to nerf? .
fly away~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 03:48:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:RDevz wrote:It's amazing how playing station games in Jita qualifies you to talk about titans. What's to be qualified for? Everyone has access to the same ships in EVE, you have more pilots than any coalition in EVE, yet you're tying to make it sound like other alliances have some sort of unfair advantage over you? Face it, it's simply your FC's are too scared to use Super Caps....so you want them nerf'd. What else are your FC's scared of that CCP needs to nerf? . meanwhile at jita undock
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Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
60
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Posted - 2012.03.18 04:34:00 -
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Kosh Seere wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Hi guis!! I thought I would dip my toe in here and remind everyone of one thing.......the CFC are free to log in their Supers at anytime. The fact is your FC's feel they are too incompetent to use them so they distract you with "imbalance issues" to hide this fact. The CFC out number everyone you're told to attack or, let's face it, you would'nt attack. You have just as many, if not more, Super caps than anyone you attack. Yet you're cowards and to scared to use them. You only throw fleets at fights where you have 2/1 favor. As the fight escalates to Capitals your FC's choose to run instead of logging in your own Supers to fight. This is EVE, 0.0 warfare is where the strong survive, not the ones too scared to use big boy toys. Since you are too fail to use the ships that are required during any size fleet fight escalation, you tell CCP to nerf that which you are too scared to use. Sorry to call you out on this but the facts are so clear........even I can see it for Jita 4-4... . Jita -------------------------------------> that way, go away pubbie.... I guess I took the wind outa your sails here hu... Sorry for pointing out the obvious but after pages of you goonies taking credit for making CCP nerf titans, I figured we might as well tell everyone reading this thread why you pushed so hard to get them nerf'd...... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.......... [url]http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753[/url]
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
718
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Posted - 2012.03.18 07:25:00 -
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Pesadel0 wrote:Sorry bros been away working , any news from the devs on the changes more nerfs?
Yep, Devs came back and admitted it was all an April fools joke.
in actual fact trackings being buffed. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.03.18 07:33:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:I guess I took the wind outa your sails here hu... Oh Snot, you're such a pretentious windbag that you could never take the wind out of our sails.Quote:Sorry for pointing out the obvious but after pages of you goonies taking credit for making CCP nerf titans, I figured we might as well tell everyone reading this thread why you pushed so hard to get them nerf'd...... . We are not taking credit for CCP nerfing titans, PL hotdroping the CCP loot pinata fleet, did that all on their own.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:33:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:Snot Shot wrote:RDevz wrote:It's amazing how playing station games in Jita qualifies you to talk about titans. What's to be qualified for? Everyone has access to the same ships in EVE, you have more pilots than any coalition in EVE, yet you're tying to make it sound like other alliances have some sort of unfair advantage over you? Face it, it's simply your FC's are too scared to use Super Caps....so you want them nerf'd. What else are your FC's scared of that CCP needs to nerf? . meanwhile at jita undock
I wonder if he'll be around for the victory parade |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:09:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:... adjusting tracking will not fix the problem. Just like fixing lock time also does not address the problem at all.
You developers have for years completely ignored your tracking mechanics and how utterly garbage they are. You have also ignored people informing you of why you canGÇÖt fix tracking under the current design. So let me drop this knowledge on you for why your first fix to titans has changed so little in what they do that it will have virtually 0 impact on the game after a few months of adaptation:
The current problem is that titans in large numbers can blap the ever living **** out of a fleet with basically no risk simply because they are huge HP buffers that can be repaired by motherships which are also huge HP buffers. Now I could ***** and moan about Capital Remote repairers and their range and their effectiveness, particularly on huge hp and resist stars like supers, but that would go off track of my point, so IGÇÖll avoid the temptation.
So you changed trackingGǪ big whoop. Rather than track around 220 m/s for every 10km of range, an Erebus/Rag now tracks about 110 m/s for every 10km of range. In addition, they have a gun sig size of about double that of a BS. This creates some magical world where a ship further away can be tracked better, but is some how mysteriously the same size as though range dilation has no affect at all on how well you can see that now tiny little dot. In laymanGÇÖs termsGǪ. This means that if Eve mechanics worked in the real universe, Every star in the whole freaking universe would look approximately the same size as our sun, as would all the planets in size relation to our moon rather than the tiny specs in the sky that they are. So hereGÇÖs what happens after your patch to just circumvent the whole problem you just createdGǪ. Lock time you sayGǪ Tracking speed you sayGǪ
Hello MR Proteus, Hello either 5 AEONS with 4 Domi painters or 50 Archons with 4 T2 Painters (and just for luls cause the ship is cheap, why not throw in 2 range extenders for the painters as well). Now that wonderful tengu has an 800-1200 sig and at 60km can be tracked plus has a sig size near the same as the guns do. That Maelstrom has a 1700 + sigGǪ ie bigger than the guns do, and can be tracked at about 12km rangeGǪ. And oh yeah, you can easily get those 300-400,000 ehp small sig lokis to web down anything closer than those ranges to prevent them from avoiding the tracking problemsGǪ not like tech 3GÇÖs are rare these days.
Oh but lock time you sayGǪ well if the carrier paints before the Titans ever lockGǪ. Oh yeah, Lock a tengu in 30-35 seconds, lock a Maelstrom in 23-30 secondsGǪ thatGÇÖs so brutal. Oh yeah, and thatGÇÖs just with ******* Navy tracking computers and sensor boosters, I didnGÇÖt even toss in the Meta 13-14 gear.
GeeGǪ in 20 minutes of planning and a slight modification to what my fleet roles are, IGÇÖve just circumvented your entire titan patch plans b/c you thought this was enough to warrant not changing the coding of your formulas so that they make sense.
Good thing thereGÇÖs nobody in this game who couldnGÇÖt ya know, divide their titan pilots up on mumble into 10-15 sub channels, have a few SCGÇÖs assigned to each for painting and just perform the exact same way where itGÇÖs GÇ£paint, blap, blap, boomGÇ¥ rather than the old, GÇ£blap, blap, boomGÇ¥GǪ. That extra stepGǪ it will be the death of me. Guess us PL folk, or Raiden folk, or NC. Folk will have a horrible time adapting to this fix bros.
Thanks for the effortGǪ maybe next time youGÇÖll listen to sense, put in the extra time needed, and avoid yet another **** fix.
Now I'm assuming whatever the sig penalty plan was that you had was based at least in part on what I propsed about 6 months ago as I've not seen any other signiture plans offered ever. If you would just ******* do it, It would balance so many combat problems currently seen in this game that it's actually worth the effort. So please stop taking the easy way and do something ******* useful for once in you entire gaming careers.
This man gets it. Its a little bit spergy, but if you can get past that, he gets to the heart of the problem. Two of alliances with some of the largest titan fleets in the game studied the proposal, found the loophole CCP had missed, and insist CCP haven't gone far enough and give them some suggestions of where to look. This is how it should be.
Obviously fixing tracking is not a trivial task, and any impact and risk analysis would rule it out for now. It does reopen other options - a simple hack to limit titans being able to target anything smaller than a carrier now looks inevitable. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 12:03:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:Snot Shot wrote:RDevz wrote:It's amazing how playing station games in Jita qualifies you to talk about titans. What's to be qualified for? Everyone has access to the same ships in EVE, you have more pilots than any coalition in EVE, yet you're tying to make it sound like other alliances have some sort of unfair advantage over you? Face it, it's simply your FC's are too scared to use Super Caps....so you want them nerf'd. What else are your FC's scared of that CCP needs to nerf? . meanwhile at jita undock I wonder if he'll be around for the victory parade
He always docks up when Goons enter local.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
SPAECMARNIES
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:01:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the solution is to just remove titans from the game and refund 1 tritanium and 100 isk. |
Slaver9
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:14:00 -
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what about to let Titans the trackings and just change them in a different way?
For example, make them immun to remote repair and give them more more more EHP @ all - woudn't this be a solution too?
So they can be still on Field and attack subcaps/caps but still have the risk to die if they can't warp out/jump |
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May Zonday
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:34:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:Hi guis!! I thought I would dip my toe in here and remind everyone of one thing.......the CFC are free to log in their Supers at anytime. The fact is your FC's feel they are too incompetent to use them so they distract you with "imbalance issues" to hide this fact. The CFC out number everyone you're told to attack or, let's face it, you would'nt attack. You have just as many, if not more, Super caps than anyone you attack. Yet you're cowards and to scared to use them. You only throw fleets at fights where you have 2/1 favor. As the fight escalates to Capitals your FC's choose to run instead of logging in your own Supers to fight. This is EVE, 0.0 warfare is where the strong survive, not the ones too scared to use big boy toys. Since you are too fail to use the ships that are required during any size fleet fight escalation, you tell CCP to nerf that which you are too scared to use. Sorry to call you out on this but the facts are so clear........even I can see it for Jita 4-4... . Hi Snot Shot, how's your mom doing? Is she still making those nice crullers for breakfast? |
Emmerik
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:46:00 -
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Hmm... please CCP stop talking about docking/parking Supers.... Don't even think about it.... ^^ |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:13:00 -
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Slaver9 wrote:what about to let Titans the trackings and just change them in a different way?
For example, make them immun to remote repair and give them more more more EHP @ all - woudn't this be a solution too?
So they can be still on Field and attack subcaps/caps but still have the risk to die if they can't warp out/jump
Except they easily kill the 2 classes of ships that are able to keep them from warping/jumping out.
What I'm saying is: No. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
63
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:17:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Sorry for pointing out the obvious but after pages of you goonies taking credit for making CCP nerf titans, I figured we might as well tell everyone reading this thread why you pushed so hard to get them nerf'd...... . We are not taking credit for CCP nerfing titans, PL hotdroping the CCP loot pinata fleet, did that all on their own. Ok so now that I call you out on the reason for goonies crying all this time for CCP to nerf titans, you flip flop to it being PL hot dropping a rare CCP pinata fleet........ So you're trying to tell us that CCP are the whiny bitches in this situation and not goonies after how many pages of you taking credit for the nerf?.......Failing Wailing try haaaarduuuur.....
Ladie Harlot wrote: He always docks up when Goons enter local. Is that when I'm in Jita once a year or because Goonies gave me docking rights in EC-.....oh wai... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.......... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Andski
GoonWaffe
3214
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:11:00 -
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lol look at this tryhard "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
63
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:41:00 -
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Goonies............winning EVE..........one nerf at a time......... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Mutheer Lelmata'eb
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:15:00 -
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Do we have the ability to make CCP shape the game into whatever we liked? I mean, if that's the case, than can they make me a ship that literally mounts other ships and has its way with them? It would add a whole other level of anger to the game. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:20:00 -
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Snot Shot........sperging about ebil Goonies........one post at a time. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
baltec1
834
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:46:00 -
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Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:Do we have the ability to make CCP shape the game into whatever we liked? I mean, if that's the case, then can they make me a ship that literally mounts other ships and has its way with them? It would add a whole other level of anger to the game.
CCP fixed blasters and gal hulls as a personal favour to me. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:57:00 -
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Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:Do we have the ability to make CCP shape the game into whatever we liked? I mean, if that's the case, then can they make me a ship that literally mounts other ships and has its way with them? It would add a whole other level of anger to the game.
Sssshhhh you'll give the big announcement away. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1938
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:10:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:Goonies............winning EVE..........one nerf at a time......... .
Yes, we are winning EVE once again. You must be so jealous.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
FlameOfSurvival
Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:38:00 -
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Let's give Titans a bomb launcher - we need more bombs - more more more more more |
Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:17:00 -
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The tracking change is fine imho, Give XL-Turrets a 3000m Signature to make it perfect
Hint Frigs: 30-40m Sig, S-Guns: 40m Sig Cruisers: 120-150m Sig, M-Guns: 150m Sig BS: 340-400m Sig, L-Guns: 400m Sig
Caps: 2800-3000m Sig, XL-Guns...: 1000m Sig .... wait what? 3000 is the value to match their primary targets sig, like all other platforms
The locking restriction to 3 targets and the base scanreso of 5 is bad. While it may solve some problems you have identified, it makes the usage of these ships just annoying. Think about locking times under Time Dilatation. You want to play a game in which a battle lasts maybe 2 hours and you need 5 *Minutes* to even lock a target? 8 Targets and Base Scanreso of 30-40 seems in-line with the other caps and supercaps, with the tracking of the XL-Guns and their Signature blown up like I suggested, that should be way enough penalty in an engagement against subcaps
If you still experience mass-killing of subcaps with "tracking titans", you also have the option to change the damage formula in a way, that the target signature in comparison to the signature of the gun used, defines the max-damage the target can take Example (Full hit means: 0 Transversal, Target in Optimal Range) XL-Turret (3000m Sig) hits Capital (3000m Sig) -> Full hit = 100% damage XL-Turret (3000m Sig) hits Battleship (400m Sig) -> Full hit = 400/3000 = 13.3% Damage XL-Turret (3000m Sig) hits Cruiser (150m Sig) -> Full hit = 5% Damage XL-Turret (3000m Sig) hits Frigate (40m Sig) -> Full hit = 1.3% Damage
This makes small targets basically highly resistant against damage coming from large guns, also helping in many other scenarios (HACs vs BS, AFs vs BCs etc...) |
Cambarus
Baros Reloaded
142
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Posted - 2012.03.19 02:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:Do we have the ability to make CCP shape the game into whatever we liked? I mean, if that's the case, then can they make me a ship that literally mounts other ships and has its way with them? It would add a whole other level of anger to the game. CCP fixed blasters and gal hulls as a personal favour to me. You were fine with blasters the way they were, I had to do terrible, unspeakable things to certain CCP employees to get those buffs put in. |
baltec1
835
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:41:00 -
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Cambarus wrote: I had to do terrible, unspeakable things to certain CCP employees to get those buffs put in.
You didn't fall for Soundwaves trick did you |
Il Reverendo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:12:00 -
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Goon thread, goon dev, goon bad ideas...
These are the somethingawful forums rght? |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3225
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:34:00 -
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Il Reverendo wrote:Goon thread, goon dev, goon bad ideas...
These are the somethingawful forums rght?
faceless forum alt, bad post
you're retarded right? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
zh0uXiao
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:46:00 -
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how about u beeing ******** andski for not letting ppl saying what they think. Every1 is entitled to have an opinion |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3227
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:17:00 -
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zh0uXiao wrote:how about u beeing ******** andski for not letting ppl saying what they think. Every1 is entitled to have an opinion
yours is irrelevant though "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
fukier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Flatline.
37
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:17:00 -
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if you read this thread about half the posts are by andski using: Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out true character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.
Pretty much Andski does not posses a valid argument (or if he does has decided not to put if foward) and uses intimidation and abusivness to try to concvnce the reader that his POV is the only valid one. Which is a shame because threads like this can be used to have a contructive argument. But Alas this is typical of a "goon" thread.
example: high sec alt says: this is a good idea for reasons a b and c
andski: you are a pubbie so your argument is mute.
great way to have a discussion. |
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