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Anahid Brutus
TunkbwahCorp
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:46:00 -
[301]
 Originally by: Adam C
Yay sniper fleets have meaning again. Havant flown my sniper tempest in months.
that's the only pro i can find :(
fyi sniping tempests are worthless now through a wonderful mix of nerfs such as scripts, hp buff and t1 apocs being a billion times better
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Soyemia
Minmatar
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:46:00 -
[302]
By the way, whats the role of claymore after this? You cant fly it with a inty gang and its bonuses are to speed. Oh man, you killed one matari ship entirely. Good job, I do endorse nerfin nanos but just rething minmatar a role in this game.
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Karando
Random Goods
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:46:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Jinshu
A blasterthron is not meant to be able to rip appart an interceptor - it is meant to rip apart it's counterpart, namely a big ship like a BC or another BS. And for that 60 % webber, tracking and mwd speed will still be enough.
lol.
who is this ccp fail employee?
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Hoshino Rika
Caldari
GBTeam
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:47:00 -
[304]
how it will be with WCS? will WCS protect mwd from beeing disabled by scrambler?
"Wellcome to Rivendell... Mr Anderson"
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Lily Cole
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:49:00 -
[305]
At least by the end of Monday the nano pilots will have stopped crying, and the rest of us are whining when everybody figures out it's a boost, not a nerf. |
Slave Runner
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:49:00 -
[306]
Oh, and please revisit the Hyena. It only got 3 bonuses because the web range was so powerful (small signature is usually one of the matari racial flavours, not a bonus). And it's MWD bonus is now considered circumstantial, as it shall use ABs more often.
So, we have a t2 ship with one useless bonus (target painters), a second useless bonus (50% webs), a fake bonus (signature radius) and a circumstantial bonus (MWD cap penalty).
Hyena: the mighty No-DPS No-EWAR Frigate of Doom.
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:51:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Korinn
Also sig radius reduction is possibly the worst bonus ever, why would you even contemplate changing X-Instinct to that - I've got skirmish spec 5 + mindlink + maxed skills and I've never ever used the sig reduction mod because, quite frankly, it's useless.
If two sniper fleets meet, the one with sig reduction boost will absorb 30% more damage than the one who doesn't. As soon as you turn on the MWDs the bonus is wasted though.
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Helevorn Feanaro
Gene Works
AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:51:00 -
[308]
At Last! Sounds good. Thank you CCP.
The thought that there may be even the slightest of little buffs for AF's in there makes me happy in my pants.
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Pantheros
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:51:00 -
[309]
Firstly, forgive me if I'm gonna repeat what some of the pro-nano peeps have already said but I'm just adding my 0.02 isk to the argument.
I've been playing EVE now almost 4 years.. seen many a nerf bat splatting and thought "ok, ccp have a grip on game mechanics, i see why they wanna do it, i might not like it, but oh well".
To me, this looks like an over-zealous and under-analysed proposal and for once I'm posting against a Blog comment (me not forum who*e).
For quite some time now webbers, mwd, and disruptors/scramlbers have played their part, and they work.
Yes, there was a point where putting fairly cheap mods on a battleship would get it to 15km/s and that has already been nerfed, and deservedly so.
Now ur fixing perceived speed issues because you have an inexperienced player base shouting "nerf" seems to be against what CCP were trying to achieve some time back "a great PvP experience" and CCP were proud of PvP awards they got from certain www bodies.
As mentioned in previous posts, there are numerous ways to counter nano pilots. It seems those who get off their chuff and actually learn about the game mechanics, instead of thinking this is a point n click PvP game, have put themselves in a position where they can cope with guerilla tactics. And, what is it you're trying to do to PvPers, make the game simpler? Seriously, what makes EVE an awesome (worth paying 4 years of subscription) game is the complexity around PvP.. this aint no point n click PvP game. 
Personally, I like the various options there are around PvP, including nanoing. With this you're removing a PvP element from EVE for a fair amount of your subscribers.
A quote from some wise person.. "don't fix what aint broke", or better yet, are you fixing what is actually broken (some people's perception) versus something to simplify things for the inexperienced (nerf nano). Changing something that's not actually broken that impacts so many players.. hmm.
Another quote from some wise person.. "if you can't beat them, join them".. stop satisfying the needs of the lazy and inexperienced players.. tell them how they can counter it or do it themselves (maybe a forum thread for "beaten n battered carebears" might help them  ).
There are many options in EVE around mechanics for PvP.. let people explore and learn instead of spoon-feeding them with nerfs.
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Zikka
Hematite Rose
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:51:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Raquel Trotter
Nail on head... Also your forget that minnie have the hardest training requirements for most of their ships due to split weapon systems and dual tanks.
Seems like ccp want this game to become stationhugging-drake-blobs-online
So is it Gallente or Minmatar who are screwed here? You both seem to think you are.
There have been several minmatar boosts recently (the torp buff, the change to resists, etc) but of course you ignore those. This change opens up a lot more options, not closing them down, and my rapier will still be plenty useful. I'm a rapier specialist with 3 fully fitted and rigged rapiers out in 0.0 and I still think this is a good idea!
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LoveKebab
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:51:00 -
[311]
Edited by: LoveKebab on 25/07/2008 13:53:15
WTS 53km/s panther - starting bid 4bil
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:51:00 -
[312]
And this game takes yet one more step towards becoming "Supercaps Online"
This can only increase blob warfare and make the servers cry even more than they do now...
Fix blob warfare not the only effective, or even viable counter to it you morons...
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taylor04
Caldari
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:52:00 -
[313]
IM NOT THE FIRST TO SAY THIS BUT SOLO SMALL PVP WILL BE FINISHED... CAREBEARS WILL BE OUR EQUALS..
SO F U AND F**K YOUR CRAZY IDEAS CCP..
80% PVP BASE USE nano's so why change ???
oh because carebears run the game oh how silly i forgot..
i got im from work to hear this bull crud...
thanks for the 4 years ccp now shove your game where the sun dont shine if these changes go through..
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:52:00 -
[314]
damn.. all of my blaster ships are going to useless.
1st scramblers turn off mwd.... yay cant get to range (ok.. can be solved by ABs... but they dont help much at all tbh)
2nd webs only 60% or so... yay cant hit shit because of tracking
3rd all the huginns/rapiers are going to be EVEN more useless than arazus/lacheisis are atm(yay... another recon nerf... like the pilgrim/arazu/lacheisis arent enough)
time to train drakes ppl... because that what most shitty newbs fly these days and CCP is on track to only listen to them more than experianced PvPrs.
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A Sinner
Logical Progression
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:52:00 -
[315]
Quote:
Currently when youÆre webbed itÆs pretty much game over unless youÆre doing more DPS or have a better tank. The 90% speed reduction makes combat too static and predictable when webifiers have been applied. To address this, webifiers in our proposed changes have been reduced in effectiveness down to between -50% and -60%.
I need a drink... and I'll need more after it.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:53:00 -
[316]
Overall sounds excellent. I'm sure there will be lots to tweak before it's all good, but the basic direction is good. Speed *was* out of control, and I'm glad something is being done about it. And wow... actually fitting AB on a pvp ship... will wonders never cease 
A bit concerned about blaster boats with these changes, but we'll see.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:54:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Overall sounds excellent. I'm sure there will be lots to tweak before it's all good, but the basic direction is good. Speed *was* out of control, and I'm glad something is being done about it. And wow... actually fitting AB on a pvp ship... will wonders never cease
Till you get bubbled and DD'd. Then you will be back to MWD fast.
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.25 13:55:00 -
[318]
Originally by: fiber0pti
lol at the polycarbon legion tears they taste so sweet
lol at ir0n being proud of defeating anyone with a page long blue list and 2-3000 of their favorite members. 
oh noes my polies... don't worry we will still find a way to kill you when you are too afraid to leave dock range.
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Chienka
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:03:00 -
[319]
Sadly this is also going to push the game further down the path towards caps-online, with bigger and laggier cap fights.
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Exlegion
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:03:00 -
[320]
Very well thought out and over all will bring balance to the game. Congratulations! There are still questions that must be answered, such as the role of WCS (will it remain the same?). But definitely a step in the right direction.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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Dsnakes
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:03:00 -
[321]
Edited by: Dsnakes on 25/07/2008 14:03:39
Originally by: BritishInvader
...(Because guess what, Target Painters are bloody useless)...
OFC they are, cause everyone out there have an mwd on his fit, sothey already have an huge sig.
MAYBE, i say maybe, now that ppl start feeting AB instead of MWD ppl will start to see the benefits from Target Painters?
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:03:00 -
[322]
GREAT, now we can just trash all vagas and ceptors, and start using a real armor/shield/hull/honor tank instead \o/
CCP killed teh game. again.
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Korinn
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:04:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
If two sniper fleets meet, the one with sig reduction boost will absorb 30% more damage than the one who doesn't. As soon as you turn on the MWDs the bonus is wasted though.
You're a bit special aren't you
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HakanSherif
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:04:00 -
[324]
its the most stupid thing i have ever heard since CU in SWG, devs give and devs take true, but when players leave its the devs that cry.
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Tob'ias Sjodin
Organized Crime
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:04:00 -
[325]
Dear CCP,
What is the use for a minmatar recon compared to eg. an Arazu anymore after this patch?
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Stalina
Gallente
Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:05:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Stab Wounds
i see lots of gallente whiners too lol
gallente have been overpowered for far too long and needed a nerf (megathron, thorax, deimos, eos, astarte.) now you guys have to use tactics instead of mwd,web, shoot.  so sorry you don't have a brain.
So explaing some your wise tactics please, Sir.
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Nexus Kinnon
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:06:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Stab Wounds
typhoon benefited from torp boost noob
At least we have one ship that got buffed now that our entire T2 cruiser lineup has been made redundant, rite guise?!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:06:00 -
[328]
You know this is more of a boost to the nano-style of ships than an actual nerf, right?
So now you can only go 4km/sec instead of 6km/sec, boo-hoo all roaming pvp is completely dead its blob online now WTS life. 
What actually happens is when someone gets a web on you, you can still go 2km/sec.
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Aenis Veros
Caldari
Alphaflight
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:06:00 -
[329]
Dear Fail PvP-alliances, you will still fail after the nano-nerf. Don't get your hopes up. (*choke* HYDRA *choke*)
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.25 14:06:00 -
[330]
Edited by: Heartstone on 25/07/2008 14:06:23
nvm cba
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