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Chaos Hellbreth
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Hellbreth on 12/11/2008 04:10:11 /signed. There should be no such thing as "explosion velocity" for missiles. Isn't the signature radius enough? That alone should prevent us(if done correctly) from wrecking smaller vessels while allowing us to keep the dps up against ships of our own size.
As for the previous posters argument that missiles work the same way as turrets, no, not really. The thing screwing over turrets is tracking, and that becomes less of an issue with increased range, and ships at close range will almost undoubtedly fit webs instead (which btw, you cant do with cruise and long range missiles...) so the tracking issue isn't as big for them as the explosion velocity thing is for us.
Also, let us not forget that missiles also have the minor issue of not being able to hit an opponent whatsoever if that oponent is heading away from the missile at a velocity greater than the missile itself. I don't know to what extent the speed nerf might have effected this, but considering base velocity for a missile is about 3.5km/s I dont think it's difficult for a well fit ship to zoom away from one (or at least move fast enough to get out of range of the missile before it hits them...).
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:33:00 -
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signed. Fix this problem
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/11/2008 04:35:40 Only after they fix webs, and make damn scramblers non-mandatory modules (and less overpowered then now, instant full stop is silly, and even sillier after agility changes since now you deaccelerate much faster).
Missile nerf is just as balanced as the 400% tracking nerf in webrange, and the inferiority of even dual webs compared to scramblers for holding people down.
Reap what you sow.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Hellbreth and ships at close range will almost undoubtedly fit webs instead (which btw, you cant do with cruise and long range missiles...) so the tracking issue isn't as big for them as the explosion velocity thing is for us.
Did you not notice that webs have been nerfed as well? Did you not notice that the Battleships that need to get into web range have had their speed nerfed? Sorry but believe it or not it's not only missile ships that have been nerfed, get used to the changes.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Chaos Hellbreth and ships at close range will almost undoubtedly fit webs instead (which btw, you cant do with cruise and long range missiles...) so the tracking issue isn't as big for them as the explosion velocity thing is for us.
Did you not notice that webs have been nerfed as well? Did you not notice that the Battleships that need to get into web range have had their speed nerfed? Sorry but believe it or not it's not only missile ships that have been nerfed, get used to the changes.
Webs have been nerfed by 400%, at that. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
The Internets
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: RahAh nZanhOrR Like any good socialist country where the morally "superieur" elite plays to the whining weak to get their vote. CCP has decided to cash in the Amarr, Minmatar and Gallente vote by nerfing Missile Skills AGAIN! Maybe all Caldari Ship Players should start petition CCP to get their money back for all those months spent on missile skill training. Since that has now been a waste of time and your money.
The upside is that Ravens will go over the counter for like 20Mil in 1 month. //signed//
Helpful EVE Tip: Races other than Caldari can and consistently do use missiles.
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: SenshiMaru
Originally by: Rail Gun We have tested missiles now and they are totally worthless... BS can speed tank part of torpedeos damage only by MOVING without MWD ot AB.
you mean they work exactly like all the other types of guns? *mind blown*
It is my opinion that this is exactly how missles SHOULD work but everyone is just used to them being broken.
No they don't work like all types of guns, the damage penalty they suffer from a moving target is great than that of a hybrid turret and thier ROF is no where near the same. if you remember, a raven couldn't rival the DPS of a Megathrone, moving target or not. Now, if the target is moving we can have up to a 50% drop in DPS... is that still BALANCED and FAIR?
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Role Play
Club Bear
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arikanaiz
Originally by: SenshiMaru
Originally by: Rail Gun We have tested missiles now and they are totally worthless... BS can speed tank part of torpedeos damage only by MOVING without MWD ot AB.
you mean they work exactly like all the other types of guns? *mind blown*
It is my opinion that this is exactly how missles SHOULD work but everyone is just used to them being broken.
No they don't work like all types of guns, the damage penalty they suffer from a moving target is great than that of a hybrid turret and thier ROF is no where near the same. if you remember, a raven couldn't rival the DPS of a Megathrone, moving target or not. Now, if the target is moving we can have up to a 50% drop in DPS... is that still BALANCED and FAIR?
but your guaranteed to hit every time - - -
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Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Role Play but your guaranteed to hit every time
What use is that always hit mechanic if a T1 torpedo only deals 40% damage to an unfitted phoon? ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf. |
XDSKIRBYKIA
Caldari Ahtila Technologies
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: XDSKIRBYKIA on 12/11/2008 05:52:54 Edited by: XDSKIRBYKIA on 12/11/2008 05:52:43 FIX IT!.
Ya i can hit everytime but i cant kill **** all, thanks ccp :). Really balanced!!
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R3V0LV3R
Black Hats Delta
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:53:00 -
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/signed
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Mikhale Romanov
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:58:00 -
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/signed
My torp raven and Widow got corn holed Thanks CCP WITH max missile skills and rigs my regular torpedos ONLY go about 22 to 25 km javs still hit 71... I want my 5months worth of raven/widow/torp training back CCP
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Jaffe Romanov
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:01:00 -
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/signed What mik said
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Angelonico
Slacker Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:02:00 -
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/signed
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Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Allen Ramses on 12/11/2008 06:16:59
Originally by: Mikhale Romanov /signed
My torp raven and Widow got corn holed Thanks CCP WITH max missile skills and rigs my regular torpedos ONLY go about 22 to 25 km javs still hit 71... I want my 5months worth of raven/widow/torp training back CCP
This is not the problem. In fact, consider yourself lucky a 'short range' weapon travels that far.
The problem is due to the fact that missiles do 10% damage to classes larger than the missile, and instead damage me when I aim at smaller vessels. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf. |
Loyal Soldier
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:17:00 -
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/signed
Gotta laugh at the idiots at CCP who say that missiles in 26,000AD underperform missiles right now in real life. I think someone in the development section screwed up their math and left out 2 zero's somewhere along the line and were too ashamed to admit the mistake so they said "oh yeah that..........that's what it's supposed to be"
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Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 12/11/2008 06:19:26 Oh noez... Now a Raven earns the same amount of isk as all the other ships while spamming missions. Oh please CCP fix this now! I am crying real life tears now that missiles work like every other weapon in the entire game. I know I cried and whined for the nano nerf, but I changed my mind, I swear. Please fix my CNR. My children are running out of food due to my lost isk sales!!!
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:20:00 -
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I find this quite hilarious, many of the people who are against the missile "fix" are the very same people that cried "NERF SPEED" and were very smug when they knew they had got their way, now the tables have turned and now you also have to adapt like everyone else....... whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
I've been in EVE for over 5 years now, I know and expect I have to adapt from time to time, you are not going to get this changed so just get over it.
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Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Oh noez... Now a Raven earns the same amount of isk as all the other ships will spamming missions. Oh please CCP fix this now! I am crying real life tears now that missiles work like every other weapon in the entire game. I know I cried and whined for the nano nerf, but I changed my mind, I swear. Please fix my CNR. My children are running out of food due to my lost isk sales!!!
STFU you ignorant fool. My former corpmate used to solo The Blockade in his Tempest (I think) in 40 minutes. With my 7 mil SPs in missiles, I could hardly break an hour. Now I'm not even going to bother trying because I know it'll take twice as long. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf. |
Loyal Soldier
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous I find this quite hilarious, many of the people who are against the missile "fix" are the very same people that cried "NERF SPEED" and were very smug when they knew they had got their way, now the tables have turned and now you also have to adapt like everyone else....... whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
I've been in EVE for over 5 years now, I know and expect I have to adapt from time to time, you are not going to get this changed so just get over it.
if you aren't gonna sign the petition then stfu. we couldn't care less about what you think
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Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Ramses
Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Oh noez... Now a Raven earns the same amount of isk as all the other ships will spamming missions. Oh please CCP fix this now! I am crying real life tears now that missiles work like every other weapon in the entire game. I know I cried and whined for the nano nerf, but I changed my mind, I swear. Please fix my CNR. My children are running out of food due to my lost isk sales!!!
STFU you ignorant fool. My former corpmate used to solo The Blockade in his Tempest (I think) in 40 minutes. With my 7 mil SPs in missiles, I could hardly break an hour. Now I'm not even going to bother trying because I know it'll take twice as long.
So, heres a novel thought. Quit spamming missions like an isk farmer, go to low sec and play the damn game. You kids were sooo happy when you thought this nerf meant "Drakes Online". And now the streets are running high with a river of carebear tears.
Heres another thought: Fit LIGHT drones. Buy a tissue. Dry Tears. Problem solved.
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Sylper Illysten
Caldari Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:27:00 -
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Signed
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Loyal Soldier
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 12/11/2008 06:28:17
So, heres a novel thought. Quit spamming missions like an isk farmer, go to low sec and play the damn game. You kids were sooo happy when you thought this nerf meant "Drakes Online". And now the streets are running high with a river of carebear tears.
Heres another thought: Fit LIGHT drones. Buy a tissue. Dry Tears. Problem solved.
And hold on..... It took you 10-20 minutes longer... oh noez... this is an out rage. You should petition to get your life back.
I wonder if you even decided to look at the missile specs now. Wrath Cruise Missile - Explosion Velocity = 69m/s wow...........a car can go faster than that. Get a brain before you decide to spew your crap here. And it's not up to you to dictate where we play or how we run missions.
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Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 12/11/2008 06:28:17 So, heres a novel thought. Quit spamming missions like an isk farmer, go to low sec and play the damn game. You kids were sooo happy when you thought this nerf meant "Drakes Online". And now the streets are running high with a river of carebear tears.
Heres another thought: Fit LIGHT drones. Buy a tissue. Dry Tears. Problem solved.
And hold on..... It took you 10-20 minutes longer... oh noez... this is an out rage. You should petition to get your life back.
I'm not even going to justify this garbage with a respon...Damn! ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf. |
Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:33:00 -
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It's not a physics arguement. This was done to keep missiles from over-powering the game. CCP wont roll it back. Go play WoW please, I hear the PVE is wonderful.
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Mikhale Romanov
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Ramses Edited by: Allen Ramses on 12/11/2008 06:16:59
Originally by: Mikhale Romanov /signed
My torp raven and Widow got corn holed Thanks CCP WITH max missile skills and rigs my regular torpedos ONLY go about 22 to 25 km javs still hit 71... I want my 5months worth of raven/widow/torp training back CCP
This is not the problem. In fact, consider yourself lucky a 'short range' weapon travels that far.
The problem is due to the fact that missiles do 10% damage to classes larger than the missile, and instead damage me when I aim at smaller vessels.
Yes.. I was angry when I posted the above and forgot to factor in the speed mitigation. And no.. I have a reason to be a bit irritated with the shorter range.. 36km before (no rigs in widow/raven) 20km post.. WITH the ability to speed tank the dps
To the Carebear comment.. Sorry .. but I am more ****ed my training for a torp/cruise support widow is gone that covered the last 5 months. 58 mil down the drain for that Skill book.
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Loyal Soldier
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn It's not a physics arguement. This was done to keep missiles from over-powering the game. CCP wont roll it back. Go play WoW please, I hear the PVE is wonderful.
might wanna check how many people here think you know what you're talking about. it's easy to tell someone is stupid when they pull out the "go have a cry" "get a tissue" "go play WoW" lack of valid arguments ftw and btw, you're just trying to shove this nerf in the face of people who use missiles for pvp and pve cos you love your turrets. that's great but keep it to yourself
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godnfate
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:52:00 -
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/signed
Ability of speed-tank the equal size missiles in the BS-class is a bit funny, specially in the SpeedNerf patch ))
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Jackspanoni
Black Hats Delta
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:58:00 -
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/signed
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:38:00 -
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i have just finished cm lvl5 ! :p yay !
gues i will never use em :P --- Somebody needs a hug! |
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