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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Itecles /signed
Was there a demand for that or is it just fun to establish such useless changes?
Maybe we just have to wait for T3 items before we can use our missiles again?? So EVE-Universe is the only place that we know from now where inventions are going backwards.
It would be a good idea to fix all that crap with the Corporation Hangar Array's where you can not put Bookmarks into. FIX tis stuff before you bring new problems into the game.
if people stopped whining about things that don't really need a fix maybe ccp can consentrate more on things that do instead of having the entire team split up completly there all ready split up enough with the whole ambulation and t3 stuff just give them time and a chance its not as easy as it looks running a game like this
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Roderigo Borgia
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Roderigo Borgia on 12/11/2008 13:27:04 not read all the whining but as i understand it - its not speed alone that determines how well your missiles hit its the RATIO between speed and your signature radius
now i've not tested yet and i do have 6mil skillpoints in missiles so i could easily be upset - but lets not forget a torpedo raven did an obscene dps in pvp with only 6 launchers with a pretty respectable range for gate camps etc
so was unbalanced every other ship had to think about relative velocity - getting into range for blaster boats etc - webbing targets - a raven just locked and fired witha target painter. yes the figures for explosion velocities are low but they are just a balancing system they dont actually reflect the real world - if was real world any ship could reach pretty much any speed ( except lightspeed of course ) jsut a question of how long you leave it with the engines burning away
perhaps ccp should rename km to some weird named thing then people would be so upset at the explosion velociuty of the missiles
now somewhere in the posts i read somewhere that a bs can speed tank a missile frigate - if that is true then yeah that has gone to far but i'm pretty sure the speed to sig radius ratio will mean any loss in damage is very small indeed to the point of effectively nothing
but since my precious vagabond was whooped with the nerf stick rather hard too this means that anyone flying any sort of missile boat cant insta kill it like i had thought was going to be the case
so yeah caldari have been hit hard by this but - think about minmatar - pretty much half guns half missiles so they got this nerf to think about then they got nano nerf please remember that anything smaller than and sometimes including bs and bc's speed tank pretty much exclusively - so now they have no speed tank to rely on
now think of the minmatar recon pilots ohhhhhhh yeah they got useless webs that couldn't slow a sleepiung tortoise down and yep they used speed tanking too =/ so minmatar ships been hit harder than caldari if you ask me
and gallente been hit speed nerf/web nerf as they need to get into blaster range then hold there targets there - but now be lucky to catch up to there targets and a single web probally wont hold them there either - so gallente nerf too
ammar do seem to have come out rather well since they never really relyined on speed/webs or missiles but you can bet in the next expansion or patch they will get hit by the big ol nerf stick too
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
Originally by: Musashibou Benkei
Originally by: eliminator2 make it into a link i cba to copy and paste :D
and yes i no thre never been the high dps but they were wen it came to nanoers and missiles thats why they got nerfbatted because this expansion is about speed and that is what they consentrted on most and wen they found out missiles can pretty much hit nanoers easy as anything they had to nerf the missiles to ballance it
Tell me the last time you used a missile boat to snipe nano'ers instead of a rokh or something similar. such hypocracy
never because i carnt use caldari thank u plz come again
then you would have no idea about missiles in the first place. so i guess that makes you a pretty huge liar for talking like you know everything
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Musashibou Benkei
Originally by: eliminator2
Originally by: Musashibou Benkei
Originally by: eliminator2 make it into a link i cba to copy and paste :D
and yes i no thre never been the high dps but they were wen it came to nanoers and missiles thats why they got nerfbatted because this expansion is about speed and that is what they consentrted on most and wen they found out missiles can pretty much hit nanoers easy as anything they had to nerf the missiles to ballance it
Tell me the last time you used a missile boat to snipe nano'ers instead of a rokh or something similar. such hypocracy
never because i carnt use caldari thank u plz come again
then you would have no idea about missiles in the first place. so i guess that makes you a pretty huge liar for talking like you know everything
actualy ur brain seems not to big because someone doesnt use them doesnt mean they dnt no nothing about them i have seem plenty of caldari ships hunting down nanoers and killing them its not hard to do really and i suggest reading the persons post above urs for the simple fact he speaks more reason than all of us so remeber because someone doesnt use them doent mean they dont no anything about them i havent played the game for 2 years and 5 months to no nothing about missiles i have mates that use them and tell em ratio and show me what there like and explain stuff to me wen i dnt understand it
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
actualy ur brain seems not to big because someone doesnt use them doesnt mean they dnt no nothing about them i have seem plenty of caldari ships hunting down nanoers and killing them its not hard to do really and i suggest reading the persons post above urs for the simple fact he speaks more reason than all of us so remeber because someone doesnt use them doent mean they dont no anything about them i havent played the game for 2 years and 5 months to no nothing about missiles i have mates that use them and tell em ratio and show me what there like and explain stuff to me wen i dnt understand it
I guarantee my brain is larger than yours and it doesn't matter how many "mates" you hear about it from, if you haven't used them yourself, then you can't speak on its behalf
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:45:00 -
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so the fact that so many caldari pilots say that gallente are so more overpwered than caldari (wich they should be because gallente are the ones that are drivin by power and weapons) and have never flown or used blasters means that they no about gallente in that case half of the posts on here are ireelevant and i forgot to mention i did use missiles at one bit but i wa bored with them and wanted to use the mega which got nerfed a few times and so what if mates told me about it i no what there like and no what they need they need abit more dmg back but not to be able to hit smaller ships than them like blaster ships can most people in here dont have any evidense or facts to show this stuff is true that they claim
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2 so the fact that so many caldari pilots say that gallente are so more overpwered than caldari (wich they should be because gallente are the ones that are drivin by power and weapons) and have never flown or used blasters means that they no about gallente in that case half of the posts on here are ireelevant and i forgot to mention i did use missiles at one bit but i wa bored with them and wanted to use the mega which got nerfed a few times and so what if mates told me about it i no what there like and no what they need they need abit more dmg back but not to be able to hit smaller ships than them like blaster ships can most people in here dont have any evidense or facts to show this stuff is true that they claim
ROFLMAO. learn to use full stops and grammar once in a while. I never said that gallenete were overpowered and I actually CAN speak on behalf of the gallente because I use both caldari and gallente ships. Stop trying to implicate me in things I never said, stupid.
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:56:00 -
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it wasnt actually based on just YOU nothing is based on just one person i was meaning it on the ones that said all that, and i no my grammer isnt that good and i appologieze for that, but still just because someone doesnt use the items doesnt mean they carnt have a say and if it was true that if you dont use the item you dont have a say this expansion would never be made because it was made for people that dont use nano and was whining about them beening to fast for them to hit yet you can hit them if you use your brain once in a whille. and i actually did and have skills for caldari so i can actually have a say in this thank you very much (forgot i trained missile skills when i was gunna use SB) O and another thing SB for gallente are hurt by the missile change but we arnt moaning even though they are used alot and as the person said minmatar got hurt the most in this expansion but they have changed and adapted. use ECM boats if you dont like missiles or do what iv done and train for a diffrent race
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:56:00 -
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SO give them a bigger sig penalty instead of a velocity penalty as well. Problem solved, we're all happy, I'd still like a ROF boost please, and an order of fries.
Gallente are all drone luvers anyways, who cares what they think.
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2 it wasnt actually based on just YOU nothing is based on just one person i was meaning it on the ones that said all that, and i no my grammer isnt that good and i appologieze for that, but still just because someone doesnt use the items doesnt mean they carnt have a say and if it was true that if you dont use the item you dont have a say this expansion would never be made because it was made for people that dont use nano and was whining about them beening to fast for them to hit yet you can hit them if you use your brain once in a whille. and i actually did and have skills for caldari so i can actually have a say in this thank you very much (forgot i trained missile skills when i was gunna use SB) O and another thing SB for gallente are hurt by the missile change but we arnt moaning even though they are used alot and as the person said minmatar got hurt the most in this expansion but they have changed and adapted. use ECM boats if you dont like missiles or do what iv done and train for a diffrent race
CRIKEY, BATMAN!!! IT'S THE GREAT WALL OF TEXT!!!
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Arikanaiz SO give them a bigger sig penalty instead of a velocity penalty as well. Problem solved, we're all happy, I'd still like a ROF boost please, and an order of fries.
Gallente are all drone luvers anyways, who cares what they think.
actually not true im not a drone luver id rather use blasters over drones any day and i could say this about caldari
caldari are all missile luvers anyway, who cares what they think even though they have the best inty (crow) and have the falcon and scorp for ECM and have the rohk for rails/blasters even thought there missile race
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raymore
Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: raymore on 12/11/2008 14:30:19 Signed
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raymore
Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:36:00 -
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Itecles
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:38:00 -
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@eliminator2
To expect that someone's brain is smaller than your own is extremly unpolite. But maybe not where you are coming from. Your atitude is clear. So you need this kind of advantage and help. Well i could live with that.
But for those who like to make one or two missions after work the last missile nerf was extremly time intensive. Because you need now much more time to complete a mission. Now - with that change - it is even senseless to make missions any more. So for all the students, children and workless people this might be that big issue, because they have time. As in other MMORPGS like Battlefield this meant that this game is now for those who can play the whole day and not for the working people. I will think about this.
AND not all of us are interessted in PvP, some of us just whant to build something.
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TempSniper
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:48:00 -
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Missiles are finally fixed. Leave them as they currently are.
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Party SoL
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:55:00 -
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signed
with the nerf i don't need to fight in pvp..
now a 800m/s frig can kill my raven... =( and i didn*t damage it....
this is very bad missiles are realy low and now they make less dps
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altish McN0tmymain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:55:00 -
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Ive played eve for years and now am just a light player the odd mission or two before work or on my day of, but this nerf just blew all that out of the window. Well im sure what ever we say ccp will not change it or they will just nerf something else..nerf and counter nerf blah blah blah
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xelerator
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:02:00 -
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thx for the fu**ing missl nerf now caldari is the biggest fu** rasse in game THX ccp you can not predict what you think makes.
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Party SoL signed
with the nerf i don't need to fight in pvp..
now a 800m/s frig can kill my raven... =( and i didn*t damage it....
this is very bad missiles are realy low and now they make less dps
they can kill any bs now though part from domi but naa they carnt kill ur raven cause u would use ur med/liught drones on em :D
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:11:00 -
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Is it that all of you who don't use missiles think that they're finally "fixed" because now you are able to kill the majority of players in eve who are in fact, caldari missile users?
Missiles aren't fixed, they're severly ****ed. Last time I'm going to say this.
YES they should be redirected to do less damage to smaller targets, give them a bigger sig penalty, not a velocity penalty as well. Low will be the day when any player minmatar, gallente, or amarr have EVER had a problem hitting a battleship going its base speed. If your tracking is THAT bad, why don't you do what you're saying and adapt, train your skills up, or just leave eve? Quit giving the caldari players crap because we don't like something. If you have a VALID argument and facts to back them up why this "nerf" should stay, state them, if you're just going to patronize because your life sucks, stfu, and leave the thread.
As far as CCP goes, great idea, poor math and implimentation. No, my cruise missile should not hit a frig for full damage, except maybe on a stealth bomber.. but my torpedos shouldn't hit for half damage because the enemy battleship has an afterburner!! Thier tracking can compensate, they have mods to boost that, we don't. A BCS increase damage and rate of fire, doesn't do me any good if I can't break the tank on a cruiser rat with cruise missiles.
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LAdY mYrYaM
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:24:00 -
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Signed! Please reconsider this crap
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DaWuu
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:26:00 -
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oh cool my cruises got less explo velocity then my torps that makes sense.. I didnt test in pVP but i saw a angel BS speed tanking me with his mwd damage got down by 75%.. every gun would have hit them as they came up to me.. why shouldnt i hit a BC with my cruises when i am doing nearly as much damage with a drake with same amount of damage mods.. what are cruises for now. theyre useless for sniping as they were before, as aspeed tank against missis work on every range. its all written a little crappy but i just want to say that they nerfed nano.. that would be cool as before you put on youre mwd and dont get damage from missiles.. now nano is nerfed but explo velocity is so low that its actually muuch easier to speed tank anything.
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DaWuu
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:28:00 -
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signed btw
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Mithrandere
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:37:00 -
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Bump. I add my favour here. It seems that it is no longer worth flying caldari with the recent and previous nerfs. I am also in favour of a change to 'nerfing policy' see my other topic (linkage): http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=921524
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joseph visarionovich
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:38:00 -
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ccp, please give me back the years ive trained missiles
/signed
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DiseL
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: DiseL on 12/11/2008 15:41:51 SIGNED!!!! It's ridiculous that my cruise Raven missile explosion travels 81 times slower than the missile itself. A little physics lesson is in order at CCP. Target Navigation Prediction just became a near worthless skill. 69m/sec Explosion velocity increased to around 100m/sec at level 5 is pathetic. I played around a little last night with my Navy Raven and a Taranis. My Taranis with no ab/mwd could easily permatank the raven at base speed. I agree that missiles should be much less effective against smaller targets but a cruise hitting a taranis for 3 damage while it is orbitting at base speed is way out of line. All the gunnery pilots can keep cheering that a missile nerf was a long time coming but the arguement doesn't fly when most pure PVPers still chose guns over missiles due to their effectiveness even prior to this expansion.
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Green Vipera
Caldari Romanian Space Explorer Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:43:00 -
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Signed. You just totally killed caldari as pvp and managed to f***up pve also CCP.
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Hun Jakuza
Naughty By Nature
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 12/11/2008 15:56:07
Originally by: joseph visarionovich ccp, please give me back the years ive trained missiles
/signed
No, u will cant give back. I trained my gunnery skills 3x times long like you, and i cant got back too. I think this topic will be my favor topic. :D
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DeviloftheHell
Caldari RaaFharaX
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:59:00 -
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you wanted this nefr f***ing caldari idiots now you have to swallow the consequence and stop crying :)
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UrsaeMajoris
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: UrsaeMajoris on 12/11/2008 16:10:01
Originally by: DeviloftheHell you wanted this nefr f***ing caldari idiots now you have to swallow the consequence and stop crying :)
We wanted a nano nerf so that our missiles would actually do some damage instead of 0-10 per missile against nanos, and not a f'ing nano + complete missile nerf you f***king idiot.
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