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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arikanaiz Ok, you show me fraps of a mega missing 9/10 against a battleship, and I'll resign from eve completely. Show me a raven, that can 1v1 against a megathron and win, web or not, damage is still reduced from a raven while the mega can use 5 ogre IIs, and 7 Blasters. last I checked Raven only had 6 torps.
And as far as this whole speed nerf, what did they really do to your speed? Made it so afterburners are faster? Made it so MWDs are stoppable?
And just so you guys get the picture, the only real way to stop an ECM boat, was with FoF missiles, now all that ECM ship has to do is fit an afterburner and its about invincible :-P
You want us to adapt, be prepared to see ALOT more ECM.. wait, then you'll complain about Caldari being better than you.
sorry was playing a diff game
maybe not 9/10 but it was a estemate and i was taking range into perspective allso plus ogre t2 can be deatroyed by a ravens t2 drones which then gives raven a uper handed
and a properly at ranged raven can beat a mega at 1v1
as on sisi i have been beaten by a raven ask my older corp mates as it was one of them
and yes a mega has more high points but a raven doesnt miss any shot at range or not the mega does loose dps and may mis at diffrent range over 5km
and as for speed they reduced our align time our top speed our quickness to top speed (which wa sboosted because we gave facts not omg these guys are better than us boost me) which infact all thoughs points make it harder for the mega to get in range and towards things and we have to thin k now do i fit a mwd and have it stopped in a battle or have a ab which is even worse and web doesnt help us at all
and the ecm ships are caldari's frav pvp ship so u just gave a good point and fit for a falcon/scorp and ecm r really really hard to stop since 9/10 (that was a estimate for u omg hes sayin its exact 9/10 pple) they perma jam u
and we carnt see any more ecm that we do now because they are really good ships even eccm dont stop it but that will just bring more and more ships to kill you all so there u go. can i haves ur stuff now?
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:27:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Arikanaiz
Originally by: eliminator2
Originally by: Hell77 Id say the blasterboats took a harder blow...web got nerfed..mwd stats make the vindicator bonus useless..and guns got nerfed a bit
i agree but you no at least we dont blame other races for it and at least we can adapt to it ^^
I've noticed, the only ones who really seem to be say we should stop complaining aren't caldari? Eliminator2, I wonder what Yendaj would say, seeing as how she primarily flies caldari ships I'm sure she'll give you an ear full.
i do believe they need a boost in dps but to try and bring gallenete down with u guys saying were better in every way just enoys me and yendja can say wat she/he likes i dont really care its my point of view im stayin buy it and no1 will change it
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Arikanaiz
Originally by: Stalina Ever flown a turret ship?
Yes Stalina, this isn't my only character, I have a Gallente one as well. She is alot younger than this one, but now, could easily whoop me in a BS vs BS fight.
Turrets don't miss 9/10, Tracking doesn't effect damage against another battleship even if the thing is using an AB, they have more turrets and a higher ROF.
My raven, even with a web, still can't beat her.
And for those who say armor tanking is weak, ever tried to make a cap stable active tank for shields? I can do it for armor, but I can't make it work with the same effectiveness for shields... Hmm wait, a majority of the engineering mods are mid slots, ohh shield tanking takes midslots?
My hyperion, MASSIVE tank, 6 lows or not, 7.5% armor boost amount per lvl makes for a nice tank.. Like everyones been saying why don't you adapt???
maybe ur raven is wrong then because my mate who had/still does have a caldari char actually made a raven cap stable that can kill megas and im sure he cn make one with the changes and once i gain IM SAYIN 9/10 AS A ****IN ESTAMITE U MORONS -_-
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VALentuSYS
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:30:00 -
[124]
/Signed +1000
I the beginner, and I cannot do now anything to receive money...
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Kingwood
Amarr Emos and Cowboys
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:30:00 -
[125]
Maybe you Caldari players should just stop *****ing?
To quote:
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs.
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Kingwood
Amarr Emos and Cowboys
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:31:00 -
[126]
Originally by: VALentuSYS /Signed +1000
I the beginner, and I cannot do now anything to receive money...
MY PRECIOUS MISSIONS!
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: San Rintu I am truly worried about a lot of you. Please adapt your ship fittings.
Target painters are your new best friend. Stop firing at frigates with missiles that are too oversized. If you want to kill frigates in a Cerberus/Nighthawk then fit assault launchers. It just isn't rocket science (lol get it). If for some reason your innate ability to troll yourself rotten is only derived upon the forums, maybe you could have friends in game.
Consider forming a balanced gang able to take on a number of targets. Maybe I am just speculating however. Medium and Large turrets now also are totally ineffective against a ship they were not designed to hit too. It's not just a missile nerf lols.
thank you a caldari pilot with brains hard to come by these days it seems or maybe they just have adapted to this change and dnt really care?
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San Rintu
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:32:00 -
[128]
Definitely the brains part.
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:33:00 -
[129]
The only real plus of cruise missile was agaisnt smaller target. Now they are useless. Big nerf.
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:34:00 -
[130]
You're right, I'm just gonna bring my scorpion out, and have your mega for ransom!? Name calling isn't nice btw.
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VALentuSYS
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:42:00 -
[131]
Edited by: VALentuSYS on 12/11/2008 12:45:02
Originally by: Kingwood
Originally by: VALentuSYS /Signed +1000
I the beginner, and I cannot do now anything to receive money...
MY PRECIOUS MISSIONS!
In 0.0 missions? And this subject not for discussion, and for reference maintenance
And, I was not rude to you......
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San Rintu
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vigaz The only real plus of cruise missile was agaisnt smaller target. Now they are useless. Big nerf.
The 249km range on them say on a Raven without sacrificing all of your mids/lows is certainly not a 'Plus' of the weapon then...
You have in the cruise missile/Raven a real niche weapon platform that can Ewar/Tank as well as snipe in a gang. Just because you can no longer mercy kill a frigate from x km away it is not a nerf. Battleship Beams/Rails/Artillery simply are not wroth firing at anything smaller than a cruiser and even then, they need to be afk. (This of course without the help of a Hyena/Huginn/Rapier/Bellicose painting one)
It just amuses me that because people are now given the beautiful chance to re-invent tactics and ships within Eve, the first thing most do is reach for the pitchforks.
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Kingwood
Amarr Emos and Cowboys
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:45:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Kingwood on 12/11/2008 12:47:56
Originally by: VALentuSYS
Originally by: Kingwood
Originally by: VALentuSYS /Signed +1000
I the beginner, and I cannot do now anything to receive money...
MY PRECIOUS MISSIONS!
In 0.0 missions? And this subject not for discussion, and for reference maintenance
MY PRECIOUS RATTING!
And how nice of you to tell me I'm not allowed to post my opinion. Stop *****ing. It brought about this horrible screw-up of a patch.
Edit: Maybe not that horrible. It's refreshing to see carebears *****ing about being unable to do Lvl 4's in less than 30 minutes. \o/
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:49:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Arikanaiz on 12/11/2008 12:49:28 I will be willing to purchase everyones ravens for 5mil ISK a piece, as they are useless. I will be selling scorpions with a full set of cruise luanchers, ECM, and an AB for 130mil a piece delievered anywhere within empire space *0.5 or higher* Thank you.
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VALentuSYS
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:49:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Kingwood
MY PRECIOUS RATTING!
And how nice of you to tell me I'm not allowed to post my opinion. Stop *****ing. It brought about this horrible screw-up of a patch.
I the fighter, instead of the getter. And so will be always. And again - if I the beginner, it is not necessary to me to be rude...
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:50:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Arikanaiz You're right, I'm just gonna bring my scorpion out, and have your mega for ransom!? Name calling isn't nice btw.
then we both get ganked by rest of people that want a go lol
btw nice thinking thats what is called adapting using the stuff that is usfull instead of finding stuff that isnt and moaning about it (the moaning about it part isnt aimed at you btw)
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:52:00 -
[137]
Hey man, just gimme a ROF bonus, but I still say, in general missile boats are screwed, I'm still gonna ransom your ship though :-P.
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Arikanaiz Hey man, just gimme a ROF bonus, but I still say, in general missile boats are screwed, I'm still gonna ransom your ship though :-P.
all means do ^^ and i agree and have allways through this that missiles have gotten a bit screwed from this it just ****ed me of that caldari are blaming gallenete for this :D
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
Originally by: Arikanaiz Hey man, just gimme a ROF bonus, but I still say, in general missile boats are screwed, I'm still gonna ransom your ship though :-P.
all means do ^^ and i agree and have allways through this that missiles have gotten a bit screwed from this it just ****ed me of that caldari are blaming gallenete for this :D
Its not that I'm "blaming" Gallente for anything, I have a Gallente character, just stating for FW purposes, and the fact that Amarr and Minimatar have been screwed over since the game started :-P
To all Caldari ECM FTW!!! btw, 2mil Isk to any caldari pilot that can bring me eliminator2's frozen corpse, btw, I'm in the middile of goonswarm space, univited, becareful getting to me :-P
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hatsumi Kobayashi on 12/11/2008 13:01:24
Originally by: San Rintu
The 249km range on them say on a Raven without sacrificing all of your mids/lows is certainly not a 'Plus' of the weapon then...
True, but the issue is the fact that a cruise missile can and will hit for less than a heavy missile on an enemy battleship. This is as weird as if a thorax was hitting a dominix harder than a megathron would, assuming same skills.
(edited for generally lousy typing)
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Arikanaiz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:01:00 -
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And for those Gallente pilots who want me dead, add to my bounty ingame, I'm sure if it gets high enough someone will hunt me down!
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Tyco RaaIII
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:02:00 -
[142]
signed/ +1000000
as a caldari char i just wanna say: "give us a chance damit"
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:03:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Arikanaiz
Originally by: eliminator2
Originally by: Arikanaiz Hey man, just gimme a ROF bonus, but I still say, in general missile boats are screwed, I'm still gonna ransom your ship though :-P.
all means do ^^ and i agree and have allways through this that missiles have gotten a bit screwed from this it just ****ed me of that caldari are blaming gallenete for this :D
Its not that I'm "blaming" Gallente for anything, I have a Gallente character, just stating for FW purposes, and the fact that Amarr and Minimatar have been screwed over since the game started :-P
To all Caldari ECM FTW!!! btw, 2mil Isk to any caldari pilot that can bring me eliminator2's frozen corpse, btw, I'm in the middile of goonswarm space, univited, becareful getting to me :-P
meh ill just nano to th..... o wait i carnt DAMNIT lol :D
and yea i no ur not but others are and then others think OMG hes got a wall of text lets belive him :D and yea gd luck with that and goons but they do fail :D
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:05:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Tyco RaaIII signed/ +1000000
as a caldari char i just wanna say: "give us a chance damit"
you had a chance :D
every race has been nerfed like this in at least one expansion but iv never seen any race go this dramatic over something like this :D i find it funny now and ill just laugh at most caldari pilot that doesnt have a point behind what there saying :D
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Musashibou Benkei on 12/11/2008 13:14:13 Link
take a look and see for yourself why so many people are complaining about this missile nerf. missiles were never the king of dps to begin with and now they're even more useless
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:13:00 -
[146]
make it into a link i cba to copy and paste :D
and yes i no thre never been the high dps but they were wen it came to nanoers and missiles thats why they got nerfbatted because this expansion is about speed and that is what they consentrted on most and wen they found out missiles can pretty much hit nanoers easy as anything they had to nerf the missiles to ballance it
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:15:00 -
[147]
Originally by: eliminator2 make it into a link i cba to copy and paste :D
and yes i no thre never been the high dps but they were wen it came to nanoers and missiles thats why they got nerfbatted because this expansion is about speed and that is what they consentrted on most and wen they found out missiles can pretty much hit nanoers easy as anything they had to nerf the missiles to ballance it
Tell me the last time you used a missile boat to snipe nano'ers instead of a rokh or something similar. such hypocracy
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:16:00 -
[148]
Originally by: San Rintu
Originally by: Vigaz The only real plus of cruise missile was agaisnt smaller target. Now they are useless. Big nerf.
The 249km range on them say on a Raven without sacrificing all of your mids/lows is certainly not a 'Plus' of the weapon then...
You have in the cruise missile/Raven a real niche weapon platform that can Ewar/Tank as well as snipe in a gang. Just because you can no longer mercy kill a frigate from x km away it is not a nerf. Battleship Beams/Rails/Artillery simply are not wroth firing at anything smaller than a cruiser and even then, they need to be afk. (This of course without the help of a Hyena/Huginn/Rapier/Bellicose painting one)
It just amuses me that because people are now given the beautiful chance to re-invent tactics and ships within Eve, the first thing most do is reach for the pitchforks.
Do you know how long does it take for a cruise to travel 250km? Sniper ravens are just an epic fail. If you aren't a noob you should know it.
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eliminator2
Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:19:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Musashibou Benkei
Originally by: eliminator2 make it into a link i cba to copy and paste :D
and yes i no thre never been the high dps but they were wen it came to nanoers and missiles thats why they got nerfbatted because this expansion is about speed and that is what they consentrted on most and wen they found out missiles can pretty much hit nanoers easy as anything they had to nerf the missiles to ballance it
Tell me the last time you used a missile boat to snipe nano'ers instead of a rokh or something similar. such hypocracy
never because i carnt use caldari thank u plz come again
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Itecles
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:23:00 -
[150]
/signed
Was there a demand for that or is it just fun to establish such useless changes?
Maybe we just have to wait for T3 items before we can use our missiles again?? So EVE-Universe is the only place that we know from now where inventions are going backwards.
It would be a good idea to fix all that crap with the Corporation Hangar Array's where you can not put Bookmarks into. FIX tis stuff before you bring new problems into the game.
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