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Koggull
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:14:00 -
[661]
But then again Xthril Ranger, it doesn't have to be MM.. - It's just like the t20 incident..
BoB, as an alliance had no idea what t20 was doing. RKK had no ideas as well. T20 was acting on his own but the whole alliance got smudged as cheaters. - The same thing will happen to MM (That is if it's true that the exploiters are related to MM.)
MM are good people, no doupt about that. Fine pvpers and awesome players. - How ever, it only takes one guy to **** everything up (ie. t20)
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davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:16:00 -
[662]
Names!!
Saying you banned is one thing, giving the names of who was banned is another and it helps to proof that you indeed did something!
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Seishi Maru
Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:17:00 -
[663]
My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.
I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.
And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.
CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:18:00 -
[664]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 11/12/2008 14:19:36
CPP stating that this had a significant impact on the economy - that's huge.
Originally by: ApaKaka It's more likely this GM simply took notes of petitions during the onslaught of bugs/petitions that arrived during the POS-introduction, and basically assumed he already had this described in another bug/petition.
Besides, GM's don't deal with bugs unless they make characters stuck, the bugtracking system always has had that job, and lots of faults notoriously petitioned never reached the eyes of Q&A teams as evidenced by their "We haven't seen this fault? Can you please describe it?" threads all over when people have been petitioning it for ages already.
If my own software job is anything to go by, that is certainly possible. Bugs need to be filed as bugs, otherwise they will be lost and never fixed.
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Kaar
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:21:00 -
[665]
I love all these Goodfellas and Atlas guys demanding that entire (enemy) alliances be punished.
You guys are terrible 
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Shpuntik
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Shpuntik on 11/12/2008 14:26:02 damn when this type of thing happened in NF (not as big scale as this) when I was server head I was kicking the s**t out of the mods and devs finding out why the hell this was not found and dealt with more so if reports are true that it was petitioned. Not sure who is running CCP mod team but they need to get stuff sorted petitions taking too long and not even getting noticed is just unacceptable. I would hope a top CCP employee to write a blog soon listing full details of what has happened and damaged cause as well as action taken it is the least we as players as well as customers of this game deserve.
I thought the T2 scandal was bad but this could be even worse the effect on market will be huge and the effect it has already made in the game well thats unknown to us but we can only assume.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:22:00 -
[667]
Originally by: Seishi Maru My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.
I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.
And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.
CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.
tbh ccp should get have icelandic diplomats contact the embassies of the countries these cheaters came from, and seek extradition
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:23:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Mr John22ta Edited by: Mr John22ta on 11/12/2008 14:02:26
Originally by: Sma Balveda
Quote: On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy,
Nice historical allusion there....
Yeah, nice to see they have a sense of humour about this 
Hmm, is this exploit really comparible to pearl harbour? 
Pearl harbour??
He was referring to the assasination of Marcus Tullius Cicero on the 7th Dec 43 BC!!
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Plague Black
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:24:00 -
[669]
Someone should start investigating major alliances that lost members lately and find out which alliances got corps closed on this day. I'm too lazy for that right now.
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Elrca
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:24:00 -
[670]
o/ Hi mom I'm in a Drama bomb!
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Bullet Dingle
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:25:00 -
[671]
Originally by: Straight Chillen I heard about this once quite a while ago. And i wrote if off to the drunken ramblings of a southern man. God damn i coullda been rich
And banned
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Seishi Maru
Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:27:00 -
[672]
Originally by: Kaar I love all these Goodfellas and Atlas guys demanding that entire (enemy) alliances be punished.
You guys are terrible 
Answering to your provocation. I really do not think the ones to be punished would be the ones you THINK I would want to be punished (considering NC titans number didnt increased at all in last 1 year I am really not thinking on them). If anyone at OUR side is related I hope so that our side get the same hammering. I post this as a player and a HONEST person, two concepts that prevail much over the concept of allegiance to any in game alliance.
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Patripassion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Koggull But then again Xthril Ranger, it doesn't have to be MM.. - It's just like the t20 incident..
BoB, as an alliance had no idea what t20 was doing. RKK had no ideas as well. T20 was acting on his own but the whole alliance got smudged as cheaters. - The same thing will happen to MM (That is if it's true that the exploiters are related to MM.)
MM are good people, no doupt about that. Fine pvpers and awesome players. - How ever, it only takes one guy to **** everything up (ie. t20)
If the people at the top didn't know about this, I'd eat several hats.
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Emma Murphy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:28:00 -
[674]
my cats breath smells like catfood
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Seishi Maru
Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:28:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Vio Geraci
Originally by: Seishi Maru My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.
I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.
And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.
CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.
tbh ccp should get have icelandic diplomats contact the embassies of the countries these cheaters came from, and seek extradition
You can sue someone even them being in other country. They damaged the operation of CCP main income product therefore caused monetary damage to CCP. There is base to legal actions if CCP can proof it.
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Haywoode Jablome
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:29:00 -
[676]
Originally by: Patripassion
If the people at the top didn't know about this, I'd eat several hats.
But only to be proven if one was near such a pos...
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:30:00 -
[677]
Quote: On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors
... WOT?
Wasn't this bought to the attention of CCP FOUR YEARSago? (albeit incorrectly)
Why the outrage and emoting in a game that is a sandbox (anything is permissible)and that the devs can 'balance' at the whim of their opinion.
Is this any more/less important than a pirate char creating a market by blowing up craft then directing the victim to buy his ships? That is perfectly legit - why not this?
It is the basis of human nature to look for ways to exploit their environment - that's the driving force behind inventors and entrepreneurs.
This is also a case of CCP double standards ..... Merry Xmas
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Haywoode Jablome
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:31:00 -
[678]
Originally by: Seishi Maru
You can sue someone even them being in other country. They damaged the operation of CCP main income product therefore caused monetary damage to CCP. There is base to legal actions if CCP can proof it.
Well the logs show nothing... or they show everything once tampered with
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:32:00 -
[679]
Originally by: Vio Geraci
Originally by: Seishi Maru My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.
I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.
And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.
CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.
tbh ccp should get have icelandic diplomats contact the embassies of the countries these cheaters came from, and seek extradition
First Goon ever to make me smile with a forum post. Congratulations on your exquisite deployment of sarcasm there ... 
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Miss Anthropy
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:32:00 -
[680]
I just re-subbed after being AFK for 9 months. I miss all the good drama. Seems like a good time to be a miner though.
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Hex Keng
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:33:00 -
[681]
Originally by: Seishi Maru My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.
I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.
And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.
CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.
Well, I guess they would have to ban whole EvE, because almost everybody at least 'directly' enjoyed cheap T2 mods ;) So maybe think about that before you open your mouth so wide.
I think the whole discussion is hypocritical, because CCP didnt react to reports of that 4 years ago in the first place, so its mainly their fault. And as I pointed out, almost everybody had their share from that, whether big or small, whether he knew it or not.
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Seishi Maru
Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:33:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Haywoode Jablome
Originally by: Seishi Maru
You can sue someone even them being in other country. They damaged the operation of CCP main income product therefore caused monetary damage to CCP. There is base to legal actions if CCP can proof it.
Well the logs show nothing... or they show everything once tampered with
Yeap , that is why I said, IF ccp can proof it. Because indeed is not something easy to proof.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:33:00 -
[683]
Originally by: Klandi
Quote: On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors
... WOT?
Wasn't this bought to the attention of CCP FOUR YEARSago? (albeit incorrectly)
Why the outrage and emoting in a game that is a sandbox (anything is permissible)and that the devs can 'balance' at the whim of their opinion.
Is this any more/less important than a pirate char creating a market by blowing up craft then directing the victim to buy his ships? That is perfectly legit - why not this?
It is the basis of human nature to look for ways to exploit their environment - that's the driving force behind inventors and entrepreneurs.
This is also a case of CCP double standards ..... Merry Xmas
item duplication is not innovation, it's cheating
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Emma Murphy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:34:00 -
[684]
Originally by: Emma Murphy my cats breath smells like catfood
Originally by: Emma Murphy my cats breath smells like catfood
Originally by: Emma Murphy my cats breath smells like catfood
Originally by: Emma Murphy my cats breath smells like catfood
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:37:00 -
[685]
lol @ eve
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Karla Kay
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:37:00 -
[686]
It is my understanding that the corps was alt corporations run by alts. So the actions of CCP are usless in effect. The alliances will just walk away without a scratch.
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Millenia Fallenwing
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:38:00 -
[687]
Edited by: Millenia Fallenwing on 11/12/2008 14:43:18 Edited by: Millenia Fallenwing on 11/12/2008 14:38:37 Found this post on scrapheap.
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21936
1. Why has this issue not taken care of all these years ago.
2. WHY should it take a number of petitions to get a problem fixed.
3. Why has Band of Brothers alliance got 20 Large towers with the same setups in Delve to exploit this type of reaction for the past 4 years?
This is a post below which i have copied and pasted from Scrapheap
"The expanse of this so far is probably lost on most people so I would like to make a few facts clear. In the past 4 jears we are talking about ISK in value of 2.500.000.000.000 ISK to 3.000.000.000.000 ISK. ThatÆs 2500 û 3000 billion. Everyone that owns a T2 item can bet that it was build in part from resources due to this phenomenon. At this point I would like to thank CCP for making it possible to buy GTCÆs with ISK. So much about us. "
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Gambuk
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:38:00 -
[688]
Why the pearl Harbor reference?
I dont think an exploit in a game even comes close to being able to use that. Regardless of how serious it is..
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Leakim jones
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:39:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Karla Kay It is my understanding that the corps was alt corporations run by alts. So the actions of CCP are usless in effect. The alliances will just walk away without a scratch.
Except that CCP have already said there are 2 alliances involved.
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:39:00 -
[690]
I was referring to cause not the symptom - and how cheating is conceptually regarded
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