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s33ker
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:47:00 -
[1201]
Time to dust of the Omens and Arbitrators.
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Renfrew Shrufan
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:48:00 -
[1202]
 Originally by: Baske
Originally by: Renfrew Shrufan
Originally by: Baske
Originally by: Gerald Sphinx
Guys, I don't know where you are getting your information from, but nowhere in the article do I see that CCP knew of the exploit for four years. All it said that the petition was submitted five DAYS before 7 Dec 2008. What sources do you use to come up with this so-called four-year conspiracy?
Until you give me hard, unadulterated, certified proof to back up such claims, I will have to take your word for it. And until then, I will trust CCP.
Why trust CCP over others? What is your reasons for this, because I can't see any good reasons why CCP should be more honest than others. CCP makes real life cash from this game, so they have far greater motive to lie than anyone else !
CCP I can at least hold accountable if they post something and then lie. I can then cancel my subscription(s).
You (some random poster on any site saying anything) could be anyone in the world, posting from an IP address routed through multiple compromised servers or relays, and have any reason for doing anything. This includes just making up stuff to posting photoshopped images to posting links to malware and keyloggers.
If you don't understand the difference, you're either an idiot or a troll.
So you think that CCP will not try understate the impact this has had in the game, to make people stay in the game, for the sake of not losing too much profit....Like they did in the t20 case?
You are naive, and clearly lacking logic sense.
Thanks for intentionally missing the point while trying to drive your weak insinuations home. What I was talking about was what you specifically asked about. Why trust CCP over some anonymous coward. Go away troll. Further responses will be ignored from you unless any actual content is posted.
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Leuko Uratne
Prison Break Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:48:00 -
[1203]
Originally by: s33ker
Time to dust of the Omens and Arbitrators.
Why settle for second best when you can bring a Vexor?
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:49:00 -
[1204]
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Digiball
t2 bpos have nothing to do with the isue! i own the ishtar t2 bpo. and got tnothing to do with moon crap. why should i be punished ? its ok if ccp takes back bpo`s but i would want a solid fund for it then. say 100 bill.. and i consider it. the fact i got my bpo fairly should be taken into consideration and some ******ed story about them turning into anytihng is just stupid. as i by now would have memorised how to make em..
sure ccp claim back t2 bpo but give the owners a SOLID refund. some lame price IS NOT ok. i want 100 bill ATLEAST!
t2 bpo's are not at issue but i had to comment on this.
I was in the lottery as well had 10 R&D agents, did not get lucky. But because you won a random draw and have been profiting off a bpo II for years now you think that you are entitield to a compensation package ff its removed? i did just as much work to earn that bpo as you did. I hate the tech 2 bpo entitlement crap. CCP should just burn them all.
You DID get a nice reward for your efforts. How much isks have those agents given you in the form of datacores since then?
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s33ker
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:49:00 -
[1205]
Originally by: Leuko Uratne
Originally by: s33ker
Time to dust of the Omens and Arbitrators.
Why settle for second best when you can bring a Vexor?
Psh I will eat your vexor for breakfast, bring it.
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:50:00 -
[1206]
I somehow don't give a flying f*ck about the bans....
Bans wont fix the impact this have had in the game overtime, not even remotely close.
CCP, you have to get VERY creative this weekend, coming up with a solution which in someway resets a lot of the server more or less..
Personally, I think that it is time for the Jovians to wreck some bigtime 0.0 Havoc.
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Zaafir
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:52:00 -
[1207]
Having not evened owned a POS I am thinking the only people this expoit harmed was the corps actually trying to make a buck the legitimate way. I for one enjoyed the benifits of cheaper tech 2 items. Now that time has passed. Thank you CCP for catching the exploit and getting it fixed.
I don't understand what many of you have to gain by crying like little *****es. In a few months most of the illegally gotten material will have been blown up anyway and someone will be purchasing a "legally" made product from you anyway.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:54:00 -
[1208]
Anyone notice how the vast majority of people saying 'stop whining' or being less than critical of CCP conduct are either anonymous alts or BoB aligned?
There was even talk of French toast
But there was none to be had |
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:54:00 -
[1209]
Originally by: Armoured C
Edited by: Armoured C on 11/12/2008 22:41:05
oooh no it look like this bob pet wasnt banned because we never exploited 
such a anti climax ... well maybe next time
The smarter people would have created alt-corps to exploit this bug and laundry the money in best way they can before sending it to their mains.
Not everyone who cheats is a ******, people know they would get busted eventually. If even 10% of titan money was indirectly provided by this scheme, CCP wouldn't take away the titan. The people owning the titan would have no direct connection with people who exploited.
Basically, if somebody had 1 month to run an operation like this, they could shift resources between alts, public market orders, ships/module transfers so much that CCP wouldn't be able to trace it.. not without spending months of manhours.
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Ilda Mrika
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:55:00 -
[1210]
Originally by: Zaafir
... Thank you CCP for catching the exploit and getting it fixed.
... 5 years too late. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:57:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: Dasfry
I just want to say thank you for posting this.
You could have just not said anything.
Isn't that exactly what they did for four years?
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cheephough
Caldari
Fat J
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:58:00 -
[1212]
Edited by: cheephough on 11/12/2008 22:59:00
For all those that are calling for a name and shame, or a witch hunt, I propose the following:
The Jita Concord Titan Firing Squad -
Have all the banned accounts characters put into their best ships, with as many mods as can be fit on them and stored in their cargo bays, lined up 1000km off of Jita 4-4.
Then, have twenty or so CONCORD TITANS unload a salvo of doomsday devices to reduce the ill gotten goods and their pods to twisted scrap metals and biomass.
(Edit: Personally, I couldn't give a rat's arse. I enjoy blowing stuff up, getting blown up, and the comradery between my corpmates.)
Have the remains, both ship and corpse, permanently on display to show what happens to those that seek to take the easy path to fame and fortune.
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Renfrew Shrufan
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:02:00 -
[1213]
Edited by: Renfrew Shrufan on 11/12/2008 23:04:06
Edited by: Renfrew Shrufan on 11/12/2008 23:03:37
Originally by: Baske
I somehow don't give a flying f*ck about the bans....
Bans wont fix the impact this have had in the game overtime, not even remotely close.
CCP, you have to get VERY creative this weekend, coming up with a solution which in someway resets a lot of the server more or less..
Personally, I think that it is time for the Jovians to wreck some bigtime 0.0 Havoc.
Heh, I agree Baske - if possibly for different reasons. Having Jovians wreaking some bigtime havoc in 0.0 and/or lowsec would be cool as hell just to get 'em back in the story... 
Edit, Edit2: Baske's name again, crap!
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BlondieBC
Minmatar
Ardent Industrial
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:11:00 -
[1214]
Originally by: Renfrew Shrufan
Edited by: Renfrew Shrufan on 11/12/2008 23:04:06
Edited by: Renfrew Shrufan on 11/12/2008 23:03:37
Originally by: Baske
I somehow don't give a flying f*ck about the bans....
Bans wont fix the impact this have had in the game overtime, not even remotely close.
CCP, you have to get VERY creative this weekend, coming up with a solution which in someway resets a lot of the server more or less..
Personally, I think that it is time for the Jovians to wreck some bigtime 0.0 Havoc.
Heh, I agree Baske - if possibly for different reasons. Having Jovians wreaking some bigtime havoc in 0.0 and/or lowsec would be cool as hell just to get 'em back in the story...
Edit, Edit2: Baske's name again, crap!
A major Jove Attack would be sooooo cool
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Kaaii
Caldari
PixelJuice Design
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:11:00 -
[1215]
Originally by: RedSplat
Anyone notice how the vast majority of people saying 'stop whining' or being less than critical of CCP conduct are either anonymous alts or BoB aligned?
Any one else notice how stupid he is?
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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Marcus Arelios
Caldari
Global Sheep Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:12:00 -
[1216]
You know, what we need is a real world solution. In the real world when the economy is hosed and has tons of problems all the major corporations get together and ask the government for a bail out. What we need is a all the major EVE corporations to ask CCP for a bail out plan as well. Basically, give them free access to the minerals to offset the loss of supply from these banned players. That way the economy stays balanced where its at! PROBLEM SOLVED!!!
*and for those of you that think I was serious, this post is dripping with sarcasm*
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:12:00 -
[1217]
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: RedSplat
Anyone notice how the vast majority of people saying 'stop whining' or being less than critical of CCP conduct are either anonymous alts or BoB aligned?
Any one else notice how stupid he is?
Yup.
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Mei Ree
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:13:00 -
[1218]
Jove would be cool. After all, spontaneous creation of matter is impossible. It must have been the Others... Enhuadanni or whatever the Jove call them.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:14:00 -
[1219]
I really don't understand all the anger.... For the largest amount of EVE players, this haven't been a BAD thing for their day-to-day game.
The only ones who'd really lost out has been the ones who did the reactions the legal way.
For all the rest of us, the main effect has been cheaper T2 stuff.
The most fun part of this is seeing who the guilty parties are
I of.c. fully support the cheaters getting banned, and I wouldn't have any problems with their alliances getting punished as well, but the irrationality of the angry posters make me laugh 
I'm also looking forward to reading the whines when T2 prices go sky-rocketing (at least in the short term)...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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MyOwnSling
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:20:00 -
[1220]
Originally by: Ryel Theon
Go look up 'negative proof' in wikipedia.
Did you even read the article? The first two lines show that it doesn't apply here. You can indeed prove a negative. But you cannot use lack of evidence for the negative as proof of the positive. And that is all I am saying. You can easily prove that someone did not do something. You just can't infer lack of proof of that to mean that they did do it.
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Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu
dude... your face...
Originally by: MooKids
I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Br0wn 0ps
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:21:00 -
[1221]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.
Name and shame the Corps. This is intolerable.
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durek magaliese
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:21:00 -
[1222]
WOW it all adds up there is a possablity that the letter you may or may not have read is true Poses were introduced November 2004 in the 3rd expansion of EVE Exodus
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:22:00 -
[1223]
Originally by: Van Krakien
Edited by: Van Krakien on 10/12/2008 23:18:41
quick, get a 700 billion isk bailout for the t2 carebears!
I hate to break it to you but the bailout total in America is not 700b but (so far) 7.36 trillion.
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Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
LEAP Corp
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:24:00 -
[1224]
Well, since CCP has records of every transaction in the game, and (I would hope!) numerous backups of the game state, it should be relatively easy to look through the backups and find all the exploit POS's and total how long they were in operation. Furthermore they should be able to connect those installations to particular characters, corps and alliances.
That gets you the alts - big whupty. Assuming that the miscreants are at all intelligent, they tried to launder the loot through the market, contracts and trading. But almost certainly they (a) didn't go enough levels deep to make it hard to track and (b) lapsed into particular trading patterns. And it turns out there's an fairly easy way to detect the final recipients of the ill-gotten gains; a variant of Google's famous PageRank algorithm -- call it IskRank. The ISK will concentrate in a relatively small number of pockets within relatively short (3-5) transaction chains.
So now you have a good idea who (people, corps and alliances) did it, and how much they made. How to make it right? I have an evil suggestion:
1) Levy a fine of 150% of the estimated ISK generated.
2) Apply it proportionately to every player in a fingered corp/alliance based on how long they've been in the alliance and how much ISK they have. Name and Shame of course.
3) Make a minor patch so that characters with negative ISK balances cannot use gates (already true), cynos or jump bridges.
The bad actors will find they have a choice between ratting in their Titans or selling them. The leaders of the corps will have to explain themselves to their outraged grunts. And most importantly, a powerful message will be sent that knowingly using an exploit results in a fate worse, in many ways, than the banstick.
Finally, if this exploit was clearly reported by a good samaritan who went out of his/her/it way to do the right thing, CCP should say so, and cough up a nice reward, to encourage others to do the same.
World Domination - It's fun for the entire family!
EViE - The iPhone / iPod Touch Skill Training Monitor
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Apaco lypse
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:25:00 -
[1225]
Originally by: Qordel
Originally by: Van Krakien
Edited by: Van Krakien on 10/12/2008 23:18:41
quick, get a 700 billion isk bailout for the t2 carebears!
I hate to break it to you but the bailout total in America is not 700b but (so far) 7.36 trillion.
uhh i think they forgot a few numbers...
TOTAL 7361917 
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iR Retard
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:28:00 -
[1226]
I was told the Estimated Value of the exploit, roughly examined with $$$ Dollers was about 30million Dollers, 1 person admitted to making 3million Dollers from this...
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Katrina Marie
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:30:00 -
[1227]
interesting information relating to corps which have closed down (or been closed down) in the last few days:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corpchanges.html
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durek magaliese
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:30:00 -
[1228]
Originally by: iR ******
I was told the Estimated Value of the exploit, roughly examined with $$$ Dollers was about 30million Dollers, 1 person admitted to making 3million Dollers from this...
not true don't start rumors
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Jack Caelum
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:31:00 -
[1229]
I love this game.
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Aksimel
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:31:00 -
[1230]
... and people thought macro miners were bad....
Anyone taking bets on when this threadnaught will outgrow the ghost training threadtitan?
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