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Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.05.27 08:45:00 -
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Peter Drakon wrote: @Players: reverting back is not going to happen, that can not be done in a way it would make any sense. I know it sounds so easy: "revert the code back!". It is not, and never has been easy; not on a codebase this size and complex. However they can change the inventroy, they can go forward, and shape it how you ask them to. That they have not changed it before release based on the sisi feedback was a huge mistake, but it can not be undone now. They have apologized for that, now they have to move forward. It is time for you too to do the same, either way.
But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.
How to Improve Quality Assurance at CCP
Professional Programmer, DBA, Game Developer and Systems Analyst |

Trox Aeze
MILLITECH
1
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Posted - 2012.05.27 08:56:00 -
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Kblackjack54 wrote:All joking aside here, it is my belief that the problem with the Unified inventory system is not the system itself but CCP's developers inability to understand why this system is not suitable for EVE play.
Each aspect of game play in EVE is governed by a series of requirements regarding the layout and amount of information presented to the player at any given moment. A request for the contents of a ships cargo hold, a can or both are two separate sets of inter-actable information which the player could under the old system modify at will to suit there own particular game play requirements, they could also add or subtract at will information they did not need in that context again at will.
This gave the player's usability of the inventory system under all aspects of game play such as ratting, mining, PoS, Station work and many others not mentioned and it is the loss of this total flexibility that has angered so many players.
In return CCP has issued an inventory system that does not fit the requirements of game play as players actually play EVE which gives rise to the idea that CCP actually do not know or understand the multiple use profiles that players employ when playing the game.
There frank announcement that they will not revert this system under any circumstances even though players have expressed a requirement that they do so, explained in detail why they need this and how bad they feel about yet again being ignored is a further indication of the depth of the divide between CCP and the players of EVE.
This I feel is a sad indictment of CCP, it's Developers and Management were the ego of a few members of that once close knit team is doing in reality terminal damage to there product.
As a direct result of this latest mess and the realisation that CCP has not got it's house in order in reality on any level my decision is to compress my accounts as early as I can and pay for the residual with Plex and not credit card as I do now, in other words you are not getting paid for failure.
Since this update again as a direct result of this inventory system being forced into game my game play has become stunted, tedious, uninteresting and reduced to a minimum required for skill changing and PoS servicing from which I will pay for the Plex required for a single account rather than four cash paid accounts I currently run.
It is from this vantage point I shall watch with interest as CCP developers slowly roast and die in the fire of there product INFERNO.
LONG LIVE SONY.
This post pretty much sums it up.
The new UI it terrible for us in industrialists/logistics roles. You stumble around and looking for what you need and them hoping you moved it to the correct place, forcing you to recheck. Having to go through many actions to open up a new window is in no way a improvement.
This Inventory UI might be pretty and stuff, but it simply doesn't work for how we play eve. (I dont know how CCP thinks we play this game, but this is not how) We need fast and easy access to multiple windows. If you want to clean up the right clicky window on ships, you could have started with removing: Activate/Stop Autopilot, Change Name on Ship and Remove 'shiptype' from Overview.
Remove this frigging UI or let us have the option of changing to the classic system that has worked so well for us the past 9 years. |

Mafia Matt
The Ankou Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:10:00 -
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In all honesty CCP doesn't seem to have the mentality of "its not broken, theres no need to fix it". As a result we have ended up with a new inventory that is not only rediculously complex, but they missed what they aimed at doing, making peoples lives easier with a user friendly UI.
The changes mean that refitting caps at a pos is 10x more difficult, not only that, but now if you own the pos, you get lag when opening the inventory as it loads every single pos gun/corp hanger/ship maintenance array at the pos plus the ship maintenance array, corp hanger and drone bay on your own capital, . So not only is it not user friendly, it is also now lag inducing.
Also what was the thinking behind your ship dissapearing from your ship hanger when you board it. I know that its because that its your active ship, however there is no reasonable reason for it dissapearing from the ship hanger as well, for those that want to keep some of the usability of the old system.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the old system of inventory, what I don't understand is why the old system couldn't have been polished and updated, instead of a new and completely pointless new inventory system In all honesty, I wouldn't mind this new system for assets/corp assets window etc. However as the main thing for ships/hanger etc it is clunky and unuser friendly
Hopefully Soundwave can elaborate on some of the points made here, |

Makaganti
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:19:00 -
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Come on Goons take up arms and fuk with ccp on behalf of all eve subscribers  |

Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:28:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote: But for sure! REbuild the old UI with the new CODE. This may take time but is possible. What once was present can be there again. Just compile the code!
I said done in a sensible way, what you suggest may take many weeks, maybe one or two month to do so. In that time they can do many improvments to the new. |

Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:30:00 -
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Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote: But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.
And revert the whole database? Your progress on the last week? Your wealth? The missile effects too? And some million other things we don't know about? |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Incorporated. Preatoriani
103
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:45:00 -
[1207] - Quote
Peter Drakon wrote:Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote: But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.
And revert the whole database with your progress on the last week, your wealth, your skill points? The missile effects and the wardec system and everything they released?
yeah you have a point, seems a good strategy from CCP to wait until its to late for a roleback it also would be nice of CSM to take a stand in this matter, i think they leave out a good oppertunity to raise there voice atleast i tought they where elected to speak for the players, but then again what do i know.......... |

cenourinha
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:58:00 -
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DazedOne wrote:The more I think about this steaming pile of **** the more infuriated I get! I will go on record and say **** you CCP and **** your ****** interface!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ban my account for all I care as I've already unsubbed; banning me will do absolutely nothing as you've already destroyed the game I came to love. The old interface worked more than fine and the new interface is a steaming pile of ****! Everyone already knows you "CANT POLISH A FUCKIN TURD."
You guys who worked on the missile effects great job!!!!!!!!!!!
Those of you looking for people to blame for this abortion look no further than these fail people that need to lose their jobs:
Game Design Director :Craig Scott Lead Game Designer :Kristoffer Touborg Game Designers :Marcus Andrews, Carl Christian Frederiksen, Stef+ín Fri+¦riksson, Guilhem Marin, Hrafnkell Sm+íri +ôskarsson, Matthew Woodward UI Designers :+ûrvar Halld+¦rsson, Steinar P+ílsson
In particular these 2 fail individuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +ûrvar Halld+¦rsson, Steinar P+ílsson Those **** stains need to be fuckin fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your applauding those retards on this steaming pile of ****?????????????? The more I look at this game the more mad I get . How about this ladies and gentleman;
These ass hats are the people PAID to protect us from **** being implemented into our game:
QA Leads :Helga Bjarnad+¦ttir, Dave Mitchell Testers :Gabriel Bell, Linzi Campbell, Kenny Crowe, Hei+¦ar Eir+¡ksson, Charlie Eriksen, Aaron Fell, Jaimie Fryer, Hinrik Gylfason, Ben Hall, Ben Hunter, Simon K+¦nig, Daniel Preineder, Scott Rhodes, Andrew Robinson, Stefan Schubert, Ian Shiels, Sami Solkinen e4e Contractors :Jesse Alfstad, Gary Bannerman, Iain Bex, Alexander Clowes, Gregor Chalmers, Aya Fujio, Chisato Goto, Benn Green, Euan Hislop, Ryotaro Hoshino, Satoko Hotchi, Nicholas Inglis, Rowan Liddell, Neil Logan, Tormod Maclean, John Nelson, Chance Newman, Michael Read, John Ree, Victoria Sinton, Sayaka Speirs, Drew Spencer, Mark Stuart, Will Vasquez QA Manager CCP Asia :Bing Mikael Xi Testers :Wenqi Guo, Justice Liu, Daniel Wu EVE China Localization QA :Lion Chen, Marshall Ao
The most laughable part of this is the testers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF did they test?????????????????????? As I said, I already unsubbed, I can care less if they ban my chat priveldeges nor do I care if they ban me from this game for that matter. Can't play a game with broken mechanics so banning me prior to my remaining time expires is saving me endless aggravation.......
+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 |

Xantos Semah
2
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:06:00 -
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I wish we could have this feature also working and behaving exactly like the old one. If not then Im not happy at all and all my friends in New Eden
-2 for the untested feature +1 for quick response to the problem |

cenourinha
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:15:00 -
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10:06:29 Combat Your Mjolnir Torpedo hits A Memorial to the winners of the Ruevo Aram Riddle Competition, Heinky and Shin Ra of Burn Eden, doing 137,5 damage. |

Samuella II
SON OF RAVANA
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:16:00 -
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OLD INVENTORY PLEASE CCP I BEG YOU |

Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:18:00 -
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I hate forums, I refuse to read most of 'em because I'd rather be playing the game than reading about it. The new inventory sucks, get rid of it and fire whoever dreamed up this steaming pile of ****. Chop down the tree, drag it out back, take every copy of the new demolished UI pile it on top and burn it, gather the ashes and go dump 'em in the volcano.
What'll really happen is we'll get 4 months of patches that really just pile more code and additional server calls causing the entire game to suffer degraded performance and user aggrevation. An angry customer is a customer that doesn't come back, even wal-mart understands this. or better yet, let me give this in new UI style:
U **** US OFF WE NO PAY PAYCHEK
If I were good with HTML I'd have made that a tree but meh.
Revert back to the previous inventory system or achieve all promised fixes before my accounts run out in 9 days or that's another 4 gone. I wish I'd bought Diablo 3 instead of renewing my 4 subs. |

Spanking Monkeys
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
86
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:22:00 -
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Peter Drakon wrote:Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote: But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.
And revert the whole database with your progress on the last week, your wealth, your skill points? The missile effects and the wardec system and everything they released?
yeh, id take that option if it ment i could find stuff easy again.
i need to open 4 corp hangers at a pos and check all tabs. this used to take me about 2 mins. now it takes me 28Shift clciks and a spred sheet.
sp's and isk are meaningless if you cant do what you once could |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:28:00 -
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Peter Drakon wrote:Callidus Dux wrote: But for sure! REbuild the old UI with the new CODE. This may take time but is possible. What once was present can be there again. Just compile the code!
I said done in a sensible way, what you suggest may take many weeks, maybe one or two month to do so. In that time they can do many improvments to the new.
What I mean is: Rebuild the old inventory. Let us drag out EVERY available information into several, independent adjustable in size an position, windows. THAT; and only THAT would be an acceptable improvement. NOTHING other! First rebuild the old UI! After that you can improve more, but ALWAYS in mind not to change the UI so fundamental again. The first improvement MUST BE to rebuild ALL the functions of the old UI including hundreds of available windows. If YOU dont like this idea fine. You can work on with this current crap and wait till YOUR ideas of improvements will be implemented. But the old players, who loved the old UI should be the first people who gets their desires satisfied. I will never learn this sh!t, full of hidden mysterious shortcuts, lag and tree view. NEVER! |

Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:36:00 -
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Peter Drakon wrote:Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote: But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.
And revert the whole database with your progress on the last week, your wealth, your skill points? The missile effects and the wardec system and everything they released?
Missile effects part of the inventory ? The amarr ship colours is part of the inventory ? Frigate cosmetics is part of the inventory ? The inventory not necessary for saving your skillpoints to database. Dont be fool.
The database and the inventory is other things. Did you see the CCP database anytime ? I didn't think so. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1112/crucible-1_0_57975.zip check it. You talking idiotic things. So, stop it. |

Wreckar
Space Unicorn Protection Agency
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:40:00 -
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It's just proof that no one at CCP actually plays the game.
Sure they log on every now and then for ***** and giggles, admire the pretty colours and effects, get themselves killed in their fail fits, then go to a bar and pat themselves on the back.
Anyone who actually plays the game can realize the flaws in the UI instantaneously.
They're still watching what we do and not what we say, otherwise they would've taken the constructive feedback offered prior to release and done something with it.
And where is the CSM ? This is their job, to present customer concerns to CCP. |

Wreckar
Space Unicorn Protection Agency
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:41:00 -
[1217] - Quote
Removed. |

Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:47:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote:Peter Drakon wrote:
@Players: reverting back is not going to happen, that can not be done in a way it would make any sense. I know it sounds so easy: "revert the code back!". It is not, and never has been easy; not on a codebase this size and complex. However they can change the inventroy, they can go forward, and shape it how you ask them to. That they have not changed it before release based on the sisi feedback was a huge mistake, but it can not be undone now. They have apologized for that, now they have to move forward. It is time for you too to do the same, either way.
But for sure! REbuild the old UI with the new CODE. This may take time but is possible. What once was present can be there again. You can build the body of a ball pen out of plastic; wood, metal or what else. Different materials but always the same function. Just compile the code!
This!!! "REbuild the old UI with the new CODE!!!!"
It is not impossible. Forget the useless treeview, give back to us, the easy handly tool as we had before, we want to forget this new inventory nightmare. If CCP want to upgrade the new inventory program code with new functions , just do it. But with same design such as old. Not really hard to understand this, i think. |

Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:04:00 -
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Wreckar wrote:...And where is the CSM ? This is their job, to present customer concerns to CCP.
Where is or where was ?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1236702#post1236702
Just check it. Before Sisi release. LOL This is our brown noser CSM without inventory try. |

Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence Mean Coalition
21
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:09:00 -
[1220] - Quote
#1 Posted: 2012.05.03 10:08 | Report Like 16 Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant.
Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.
CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @ccp_guard ---------------------------------------------------------------snipp----------------------------------------------------
user friendly^^ LOLOLOLOL
I want some of the drugs too |

Carcopino
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:10:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:disasteur wrote:
im sorry for asking, but what are your intentions, and how do you think this to rectify? i understand this is a bizar situation but a little more specific answer would be verry nice
Restoring as much of the old functionality in the new framework. Please explain this, since I just have been senior software analyst for 20 years so I am certainly newbie in this area: - You had a partially re-factored system that was not ready for production. It's not just about the bugs, but judging by the "scarce" amount of feedback you are receiving, it lacks of fundamental gameplay features. - You knew it'd take weeks to implement the missing fundamental, game breaking gameplay features. If you did not (odd), you know about this now. Despite the above premises: - You will take weeks if not longer to implement the showstopper missing features but will keep it in production and will keep having a plethora of annoyed players. - After weeks and weeks in the best case we will achieve... the same stuff we had for 9 years. Just slower and taking unneeded screen real estate. What's the rationale behind this?
I just had to quote this here player because the issue he/she brought up, together with some other folks who probably wrote the same things, does indeed raise some legitimate concerns. And I just can't stress this enough. The mere fact that your average player has to ask these questions should really make the alarm go off somewhere again.
I think of playing Eve as some kind of pleasant journey. Sometimes I have to stop ( patch days ) for a refuel or to switch to a different vehicle. But!. If I pulled up in a fine sedan, I don't want to have to hop onto a 40 year old scooter with no engine and a puncture, understand ?.
I must admit that you track record thus far ain't exactly stellar, but all this really makes me wonder what other creepy "improvements" you weird fellas might actually have in stock for us players. |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Incorporated. Preatoriani
105
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:28:00 -
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good to know they do nothing, except drinking and doing stupid stuff, like doing ermmm nothing and drinking
server stats from http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility do show a nice and steady downwards fall
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Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
100
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:28:00 -
[1223] - Quote
we're still getting ignored, its time for CCP Unifex to step up and field these issues. I was online tonight with about 20 of our pilots, except for one guy the whole bunch of us detest this new, laggy inferior UI. We we're moving corp hangers around on Sisi, what a mess, it just took forever.
Please CCP please please, return our prior functionality without the lag and the bugs and the unwanted loss of screen real estate. And all of the other issues your customers are having with this feature. It is becoming a debacle again. I just dont understand why you are so hell bent on a broken, unwanted, hated and inferior UI.
There is a point where this is going beyond holding your line to sheer bloody mindedness, that line has been crossed, roll it back or make it optional before Inferno burns CCP to the ground. |

Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:28:00 -
[1224] - Quote
Davina Sienar wrote:#1 Posted: 2012.05.03 10:08 | Report Like 16 Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant.
Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.
CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @ccp_guard ---------------------------------------------------------------snipp----------------------------------------------------
user friendly^^ LOLOLOLOL
I want some of the drugs too
I think he used same drugs, what used the designer, who created the new Amarr ships colors. :P
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N3LLY
MUNKI.MINERS.INC
42
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:30:00 -
[1225] - Quote
BURN THE FRIGGIN TREE come on ccp sort it  UI IS CRAP GET RID AS SOON AS POSSIBLE P.S. CAN I GET A REFUND FOR LOST GAME TIME ?
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:38:00 -
[1226] - Quote
It is not exactly right. They did something. They told for everyone in Eve-Radio what a perfect and flawless inventory is what CCP created for playerbase.
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Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 12:53:00 -
[1227] - Quote
disasteur wrote:yeah you have a point, seems a good strategy from CCP to wait until its to late for a roleback I did not say I like it, I'm in a WH, this new feature makes my life harder, and not by a bit. I said we should move forward, because moving back is not an option. |

Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 13:03:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote:...The first improvement MUST BE to rebuild ALL the functions of the old UI including hundreds of available windows. If YOU dont like this idea fine. ... At this stage I don't like the new feature either, it has serious bugs and design flaws. (I do like to have open 5-10 windows too.) But let us move forward, and let them improve this new thing. It may actualy work. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7435
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Posted - 2012.05.27 13:10:00 -
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Balder Verdandi wrote:I've been racking my brain trying to figure out where I've seen this "inventory tree" style before, and then I realized where I've seen it: http://www.nos.org/htm/Image33.gifLook familiar? Nah. They got it from hereGǪ well, aside from the dosshell properly supporting multiple locations, unlike the inventory UI. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.05.27 13:17:00 -
[1230] - Quote
BUG: New inventory system keeps hanging and crashing my client if i try to move a large number of BPC from corp hangar to member hangar.
I need to regularly move a large amount (1000+) of BPC from corp section to private section, so i can "circumvent" the 6 hour API asset-list limit crap. This involves of moving all my BPC around and back, with the old system this was also laggy as hell, but at least my client did not crash or freeze. The new system seem to handle this really badly.
I also would appreciate if u can lift this stupid 6 hour limit for API asset calls, my inventory as a producer changes every hour and i need to be able to import those data correctly in a spreadsheet, so reduce the time limit to something like 30mins!
Also make t3 BPC stackable, thats the only reason i have over 1000 in the beginning and it becomes unmanageable to work with those!
bye Andy |
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