Just do this at the .4 High sec entries and leave the rest of the guns as they are.

Less people will Rage n' Unsub because they have to go hunting.

According to the numbers presented in that same CSM...

Only 25% of players were playing EvE for the PVP. That leaves...75% who do not consider it a reason for playing the game.

If i were running CCP, I wonder what group I would listen to? Maybe the majority...

Has it even been revealed what this was intended to "fix" in the first place? Was it titans smartbombing gates, or lowsec having a "low population", or ... what? Greyfail has said it was just a "spitball idea" but what prompted you to start generating these ideas in the first place? What exactly do you think the issue is?

They'd better learn quickly then that not everybody in low sec is interested in FW, it's one part of the game and not something we should have to do so we can get the best out of low sec.

...*snipped*

Why does CCP want to reward un-orangised, lazy, childish, immature scrubs with this stupid game mechanic changes?

The game will eventually change for the better, but still, the removal of gates to travel or the reliance on them should go entirely. Let ships dial in system to system warps - and even target a specific area. That's the bloody end of camps, and the entire space opens up to sheer chaos.

It's starting to look to me like CCP is recognizing that gate camping is not PVP in an of itself.


Getting rid of, or reducing gate camps, could open things up a bit.


Back in the days of yor, when people who camped gates did not kill everything that moved "for the lulz" or the killboard, lowsec did have more people in it - and this was BEFORE WTZ.


Because the noob in the rookie ship or cheapie frig was not worth the trouble. Heck I was such a nooblet once i was sitting outside of a station in a velator and asking some -10 guy why he was flashing red on my overview.

And I didn't get popped and told to go back to WOW/High.


But things have changed.

And so killing everything that moved for no apparent reason prevailed. Now I can hear the tears "it's a sandbox!!!1! Marsha Marsha Marsha!!!!" but who wants to play in a sandbox where there are kids whose only goal is to hit you with the pale and shovel and then point and laugh?

Now imagine that sandbox where the only way to get around in it is to pass those kids on a set trail within pail and shovel range.


The majory of "avoid the gate camp" measures will work against most campers most of the time, because campers are campers and camping is dumb. But there are smart campers out there, and someone who is really thinking and not surfing FB/4CH or playing an FPS on the side while "waiting for the word to go up" (meaning "someone jumped in!!!1!!! kill kill killl!!!!") can come up with neat ways to catch people zipping about without even having to concentrate on a gate.


The writing is on the wall and has been since apocrypha. The combat probe is how you are going to get kills, not sitting on a gate being just as semi-afk as a high-sec carebearing miner.

Often the idea of playing this game semi-AFK is considered a mortal sin by the uber leet PVP crowd, but admit it: nobody is sitting on that gate for hours on end with a laser beam focus of attention on the EvE client. Find someone who is and let me know so I can call the mental hospital.

The game will eventually change for the better, but still, the removal of gates to travel or the reliance on them should go entirely. Let ships dial in system to system warps - and even target a specific area. That's the bloody end of camps, and the entire space opens up to sheer chaos.

Maybe because their attitude isn't as ****** as yours? Emotional posts and temper tantrums didn't get you far with mommy and it won't help much here either.

Using terms like "Scrubs" only shows your extreme lack of maturity toward fellow players.

Can't like this post enough.

You shouldn't have a way to rapidly fix sec status. You committed a crime. Just like allowing pirates to dock in ANY empire sec, it shouldn't happen. Go base in null and travel to low for raids. Like you want hi sec dwellers to do. Its lazy and stupid that a empire would let you camp gates in their territory.

Just to be clear, I am not disagreeing with your message; just the delivery.

I see no point in slamming other players because they play differently than you in a sandbox game. It is their sandbox as well.

But your delivery was good? I think not.

Strider's point was valid and showed the disdain we have for those who seemingly cannot use the tools, CCP already provide.

As far as this idea is concerned, (for the reasons above) I really cannot see the need for it. The lack of any pirates in the CSM, is now a worrying situation.

Yes, it was far better.

That's strange, it seems that would only impact 25% of current playerbase in drastic ways. I merely echoed (as best i could from memory) the numbers mentioned. Are you denying that only 25% of players responded with PVP as a reason for playing the game?

It amazes me at the lengths the handful of forum trolls go to try and convince everyone (including CCP) that they are the only ones who know the "truth". Same 5 turds every time too.

From the wording it also sounds like anyone who steals (once the new mechanics for crimes goes into effect) sentries will shoot them too.

I have been an outlaw since late 2008, a frequent pirate and when pvping, I'm GCC more often than not.

With that said, I support the general idea of the change. I have always disliked the whole notion of gate camping. PvP should occur at places of value to players such as POS's, POCO's, exploration sites and so on. Gate camping is the most pathetic form of pvp and simply needs to die imho.

That said, those who have mentioned this won't change mission runner's perspective of low sec are correct. It really is combat probes everywhere 24/7. Probing used to be a highly specialized skill that only a few players had, now everyone and their mother can be good at it with a day of skill training and 20 minutes of practice. I hated the old system and love the far more logical current one. But it needs to be made much harder to probe ships of all classes. There are a number of ways to do this from simple cycle time changes to alterations in deviation and probe strength. Perhaps even adding new tier 2 probing skills to up strength and reduce deviation further.

I also agree that this won't completely eliminate gate camps, the inty/AF with a bunch of alpha tornado's sitting 151km off the gate is a very real possibility. In fact I personally have used this tactic in the past. But I don't see it becoming a common sight due to its obvious limitations.

In any case, I see this as a package deal. Dealing with perma camps is good, this coming from a long time pirate, but it is incomplete. A nerf to combat probing must also be made. With these two together, running lvl4's in low sec in your CNR might not be such a terrible idea for a high sec player. Guys like me will still catch them, but guys like me are rare.

It will also force roaming gangs to look a little harder for something to shoot. Rather than blobbing gatecamps, they'll have to bait and blob in a belt. Not a major change, but it is a change.

I've lived in lowsec for quite a while now and gotta tell you - this is probably gonna cause as much "whine 'n' unsub" threads as nex store/greed is good did. For those who don't go to low often - most of fleet/gang fights in low take place at gates. If gateguns are gonna pop carriers 4.5mins into the fight, cruiser/bc fleets going gcc on a gate aren't gonna happen at all. When was the last time you have seen a carrier at a gate? I don't think I've ever seen one.

Gatecamps - those aren't the problem, people who won't learn/adapt are. You can easily get through all of them, just do a little research.

discuss, lol

I've lived in lowsec for quite a while now and gotta tell you - this is probably gonna cause as much "whine 'n' unsub" threads as nex store/greed is good did. For those who don't go to low often - most of fleet/gang fights in low take place at gates. If gateguns are gonna pop carriers 4.5mins into the fight, cruiser/bc fleets going gcc on a gate aren't gonna happen at all. When was the last time you have seen a carrier at a gate? I don't think I've ever seen one.

Gatecamps - those aren't the problem, people who won't learn/adapt are. You can easily get through all of them, just do a little research.

discuss, lol