Have u got the ORG thread link if thers one?

Well CCP Greyscale either is one of them pilots who died to lowsec pirats or its his way of doing an incarna mrk 2

Have u got the ORG thread link if thers one?

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.

Its a great idea. CCP obviously wants people to get "into" losec. Current mechanics have you getting kicked in the balls then strapped with C4 and kicked out of a plane before you've even opened the front door...
If a carebear could actually make a few bucks before getting wtfpwnd and losing their ship, they may be more inclined to return.
Besides, lazy pirates should have to work for their kills - probing, dscan, sly cloaking maneuvers - not just sit on a gate and wait for dinner to come to you.

You shouldn't have a way to rapidly fix sec status. You committed a crime. Just like allowing pirates to dock in ANY empire sec, it shouldn't happen. Go base in null and travel to low for raids. Like you want hi sec dwellers to do. Its lazy and stupid that a empire would let you camp gates in their territory.

at first i was amazed by this level of ignorance. Then i was amused. Now i am saddened by it

Thats right, I forgot how "easy" it is to get into losec. And you can do so much with a nano/stabbed Vigil.

Its a great idea. CCP obviously wants people to get "into" losec. Current mechanics have you getting kicked in the balls then strapped with C4 and kicked out of a plane before you've even opened the front door...
If a carebear could actually make a few bucks before getting wtfpwnd and losing their ship, they may be more inclined to return.
Besides, lazy pirates should have to work for their kills - probing, dscan, sly cloaking maneuvers - not just sit on a gate and wait for dinner to come to you.

edit: I find it really ironic that there was this big crusade by the leet to punish/remove low risk/high reward and AFK content and now that CCP is trying to do it there's all these tears.

As far as a low-sec buff, instead of a half-assed change that will only change the tactics gate campers use, why not go for something with a little bit more impact, such as boosting rat bounties to 0.0 levels, while at the same time making it so that only low-sec rats boost security status? On top of that, give people with positive ratings the ability to convert their spare status into tokens that can be traded and sold on the market/contracts.

Bam, instant low-sec buff. I guarantee that due to the time factor and danger in acquisition, these things will fetch a nice premium. Now all the pve bros have a reason to go to low because they can actually get rich there. They'll have to compete with each other for rats, and pirates will also have more targets (while at the same time being able to form protection rackets in systems they control).

Anyone got a dev position open? I'll do it for like a third of Greyscale's pay.

Have you ever fixed your sec status? There is nothing rapid about it.

Quoting myself. This is a spitball idea that we shared with the CSM, not a final design.

I 100% agree with this post.
My first PVP experience were with FW.
It was great!
Now I am a pirate.
Sure FW needs a buff, but CCP have gone in the wrong direction of making FW lowsecs big reward.
FW should not be the focus of lowsec.
Piracy should be.


The one thing that pisses me off about this stupid idea is:

We have 2 gangs:
1 pirate gang camping a gate
1 anti pirate gang that wants to bust up the gate camp

Both gangs being equal, who will win?
The anti pirate gang will, because they have sentries on their side.

Why does CCP want to reward un-orangised, lazy, childish, immature scrubs with this stupid game mechanic changes?
Is it their goal to drive away long term loyal players?


How about fixing the bounty system before coming up with ******** **** like this!

Lol at calling pirates lazy and then saying carebears need a chance, its easy for people to get around low-sec if they know what they're doing..... and well not too lazy to research how its done.

The fact is low sec has plenty of carebears already go through and use it everyday, the amount of covert-op cloaking ships available is ridiculous, not to mention stabs, mwd'ing back to gate, map statistics, evekill (search system), cloak warp trick, nearly every1 has alts these days so scouts too, seriously how easy do you want it?

People whine about the blobs as camps, but thats a result of game designe partly, to effctively camp a gate you need a number of different ships with multiple roles. ie quick locker, hic, LR webs, LR scram, dps (some ships can do multiple roles), then to do that it suggests tech 3's, and when people start putting a bil+ on the line, of course they dont want it to be solo'd by a ship like a drake, so logi and falcons and stuff come in too, as well as a risk adverse attitude. All this creating the blob people are moaning about.

You want pirates to do probing and stuff which would require multiple accounts or friends, and still give alert people more than enough warning your coming, and yet your too lazy to run a scout. Seriously... just lol

Carebears already have life way too easy, and ccp want to make it even easier.

CCP Explorer suggested that I post this on the forums:

CCP Greyscale, I humbly request that you spend the next 6 months playing a full time pirate in low sec. The reason for this is because I simply cannot comprehend the amount of staggering ignorance displayed by you and CSM 7 regarding the effects of the proposed gate gun changes.

The major problems as I see them:
- Scaling sentry fire to allow frigs to GCC under gates means that traveling through low sec will be MUCH more dangerous. So obviously the goal isn't getting rid of gate camps.
- Many fights on gates last 5-20+ minutes. If we are seeing gate guns scale to the point of killing triage carriers in 4.5 minutes (so they're dealing 100k+ DPS) then these fights CANNOT HAPPEN.
- Most fights happen on gates in ALL security areas. Why are you aiming to make low sec different without supporting mechanics to support that?
- Capitals are VERY rarely used in low sec. When they are, it frequently signals one of the best fights you're likely to get. Why in the heck are you making killing a capital before the triage/siege timer can end a goal?
- Gate guns will ALWAYS shoot at pirates, regardless of any current aggression. I cannot warp to a gate and wait for the scout to report clear, because a slight delays will mean even a deadspace tanked + slaved damnation gets volleyed.

In support of this, I offer up my 90M SP pirate main and offer to pay the sub cost for the duration. It would be swell if I could get my main back after the lesson, but I suppose I could train up my 30M SP alt instead. I believe it to be a sign of great sincerity to offer 90M SP and $100 USD.

-Liang

Ed: I want to make sure it is clear that I DO NOT gate camp. I either bait at a belt (usually 3-1 in Amamake) or roam. The entire reason I play Eve is for good fights.

I don't like gatecamps, but I can't see how this is going to help new players trying to get into lowsec.

A frig was pretty safe when traveling through lowsec because ceptors wouldn't tackle you at a gate and unless it's some stupidly sensor boosted T3 with an offgrid booster, noone could tackle them unless they messed up - now a single ceptor will be able to get an initial point, which is fairly easy to get on a frig-pilot with poor navigation skills.

Miner~~~(Q) n (Q); life is hard for me.
Pirate~~~HTFU NOOB, LEARN TO ADAPT OR GTFO

~~Suddenly random changes come~~

Pirate~~~(Q) n (Q); life is sooo hard for me, why are you doing this CCP(mom)?! How could you hurt me like this? I don't want to try hard (Q) n (Q);
Miner~~~Is this guy serious?

Oh, andGǪGǪgood, then you can explain why this would in any way be a good change.

Because fighting a noob 10v1 is a FIGHT

People who actualy want a "fight" roam into enemys territorys and areas looking for a fight.

And sitting on the same gate day after day never changing isn't easy? Pot meet kettle.