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Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:48:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Tippia wrote:Oh, andGǪ Issler Dainze wrote:I've been asking for progressively stronger gate guns in low sec for years. This is a great change that is long overdue! GǪgood, then you can explain why this would in any way be a good change. Gate guns in low sec were put there for a reason and were never intended to be perma-camped. Over time the ships improved and now they can be. Mostly all the guns do now is pop new players that don't understand the aggression mechanics. This makes folks have to look for fights in the belts or other areas of the system instead of lazily sitting at a gate waiting for hapless victims. There you go, explanation provided. Issler
Epic fail in reasoning CSM.
Does some one looking to rob a freight truck go to the local bank? No, they don;t...they look for the highways and interstate routes. Does some one trying to to hijack and ransom an oil tanker go out in the middle of the ocean? No!...the grab Bowdich and find the shipping lanes and aids to navigation and they 'camp' that crap until the Mersk hauler or Shell tanker comes along!
A lot of things were not intended, but they are and they provide something different. What part of the work low in low security are you not understanding?
Perma camps/smart bombs I can see what you and a few others are saying on that stuff. I get that part, but I would like to see a balanced approach to it. |
Adamant Stehl
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.29 20:05:00 -
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Why not just change the sec status to .5?
CCP wants people to go into low-sec. Wow, this is such incentive.... |
LuckyQuarter
Lucky Galactic Expeditions
6
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Posted - 2012.10.29 20:09:00 -
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Whatever happens with gate guns is completely irrelevant to making lowsec more popular.
Those in highsec who may be pve/industry minded may give lowsec a try once or twice. Yes, the first time they might get ganked at a gate. They'll try it again....and get a skiff into the belts and perhaps a pos setup for moon mining and other industry stuff (mining barge is going to be an epic fail for anyone already trained for exhumers). High sec pve people can be stubborn, especially if good profits look possible.
However, they aren't going to stay and lowsec is going to remain a wasteland because:
a) lowsec is populated by psychopaths just looking for quick ganks and no sane pve/industry person wants to spend 99% of their time surrounded by them. Your average highsec pve/missioner will be back in highsec within 30 days tops.
b) getting anything done other than hauling to/from lowsec or working in a pos means going to belts or anoms and it's impossible to work for more than few minutes w/o pirates jumping in to scan you down...thats assuming that others in the system aren't already in communication with pirates and sending them a heads up whenever your ship shows up in dscan.
c) Building anything worthwhile like a large industry pos just becomes a huge target that sooner or later will be destroyed.
Lowsec is designed for and populated by those who want a game 100% opposite of what those in highsec want. High sec pilots who want more risk and excitement can get a reasonable balance of risk and reward by moving to wormholes or joining a null sec corp. Moving to lowsec would just be torture. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
3259
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Posted - 2012.10.29 20:11:00 -
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Did any of you that posted in the last 24 hours or so read the part where this ISNT happening anymore? There's a reason the thread hasn't been bumped in 2 months.
Just wanted to save you the effort of posting, if you haven't noticed...otherwise feel free to keep sharing your feedback 
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
2186
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Posted - 2012.10.29 23:19:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Did any of you that posted in the last 24 hours or so read the part where this ISNT happening anymore? There's a reason the thread hasn't been bumped in 2 months. Just wanted to save you the effort of posting, if you haven't noticed...otherwise feel free to keep sharing your feedback
I think it was a scary thread brought back from the dead for Halloween !! 
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Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.30 01:01:00 -
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I like the gate guns not insta poping small ship idea. Not sure about the rest. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
Nulli Secunda
100
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Posted - 2012.10.30 01:07:00 -
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fights are going to be at the planets not the gates. get ready for dust gents. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2012.10.30 02:38:00 -
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Logically speaking, it makes sense for armed responses to escalate from warning shots to levels that are intended to put an end to the situation. That's fairly standard for most armed forces and security responses to hostile entities. Discourage first, and if/when that doesn't work, apply firepower with extreme prejudice.
That taken into account, killing a Carrier in 4-1/2 minutes might be a bit much. 
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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2012.10.30 02:38:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Did any of you that posted in the last 24 hours or so read the part where this ISNT happening anymore? There's a reason the thread hasn't been bumped in 2 months. Just wanted to save you the effort of posting, if you haven't noticed...otherwise feel free to keep sharing your feedback
aww.. 
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Atsuko Yamamoto
Spartan Shipyards
THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2012.10.30 02:51:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:Might I remind people that personal attacks and insults have no place in a discussion. If you cannot pose or answer a question without resorting to such tactics, I suggest you do not post at all. The thread has been cleaned, again, and I hope for the last time. Also, since it appears many people have missed it, here is a statement from a member of the CSM regarding this subject. Please read it and take careful note before posting here. Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:o/ Hello again pod people.
Just wanted to stop by and give you a brief update, after speaking with CCP Greyscale about the gate gun changes in great detail, he's once again assured me and the CSM that this gate gun idea was just an idea he was toying with, and not something that is definitely in the pipeline for development. After the flood of player feedback as well as my own urging for him to reconsider this, its no longer an idea that is being pushed forward anyways. I'll be monitoring his work on GCC, sec status, and crimewatch in general as we move futher into Winter, but as of right now the gate gun idea has stalled.
The minute that status changes - I'll let the community know as soon as possible so we can continue "the resistance". But in the meantime, there's not much to fight against because this doesn't appear to be moving past the idea stage, thanks to all who have spoken up.
Please post respectfully and sensibly in future - ISD type40.
You guys are still yelling at each other about it going live or something, did you even read this?
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Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
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Posted - 2012.10.30 03:17:00 -
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Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:ISD TYPE40 wrote:Might I remind people that personal attacks and insults have no place in a discussion. If you cannot pose or answer a question without resorting to such tactics, I suggest you do not post at all. The thread has been cleaned, again, and I hope for the last time. Also, since it appears many people have missed it, here is a statement from a member of the CSM regarding this subject. Please read it and take careful note before posting here. Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:o/ Hello again pod people.
Just wanted to stop by and give you a brief update, after speaking with CCP Greyscale about the gate gun changes in great detail, he's once again assured me and the CSM that this gate gun idea was just an idea he was toying with, and not something that is definitely in the pipeline for development. After the flood of player feedback as well as my own urging for him to reconsider this, its no longer an idea that is being pushed forward anyways. I'll be monitoring his work on GCC, sec status, and crimewatch in general as we move futher into Winter, but as of right now the gate gun idea has stalled.
The minute that status changes - I'll let the community know as soon as possible so we can continue "the resistance". But in the meantime, there's not much to fight against because this doesn't appear to be moving past the idea stage, thanks to all who have spoken up.
Please post respectfully and sensibly in future - ISD type40. You guys are still yelling at each other about it going live or something, did you even read this?
Well, it's something to argue about besides exhumers and highsec ganking, so let the kids have their fun. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1853
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Posted - 2012.10.30 07:00:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Did any of you that posted in the last 24 hours or so read the part where this ISNT happening anymore? There's a reason the thread hasn't been bumped in 2 months. Just wanted to save you the effort of posting, if you haven't noticed...otherwise feel free to keep sharing your feedback
Yes I recall this was the thread where the gate campers were crying like high sec miners.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
122
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Posted - 2012.10.30 08:19:00 -
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This will also be affecting Guns located at stations, or just Gates ? apparently not
Is it all Gate Guns, or just Guns located in Losec ? apparently not
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:So all pirate chars are now no longer able to fly frigates with out getting insta popped by sentry guns? Sounds like low sec just got a lot more empty.
This isn't mentioned anywhere in either the devblog or original post.
In fact I cant even see how you could misinterpret the message quite that badly. |
Peter Tjordenskiold
25
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Posted - 2012.10.30 09:45:00 -
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I see the disadvantages too, but gatecamping at the entrances is bad for low too. I propose to get the new security for gates only on entrance systems to low sec. But thb. this is a dirty fix.
The low is too expensive for carebears. Expensive means the likelihood getting caught is high and forced pauses because of neutrals are too long. And no one will change that. Low sec is an area for individualists and groups don't want to fight blob wars.
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2502
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Posted - 2012.10.30 09:57:00 -
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As the entire subject of this thread is now a moot point, and to save from having it degenerate into a troll fest, I am locking this thread - ISD Type40.
ISD Type40
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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