That's strange, it seems that would only impact 25% of current playerbase in drastic ways. I merely echoed (as best i could from memory) the numbers mentioned. Are you denying that only 25% of players responded with PVP as a reason for playing the game?

It amazes me at the lengths the handful of forum trolls go to try and convince everyone (including CCP) that they are the only ones who know the "truth". Same 5 turds every time too.

It amazes me at the lengths the handful of forum trolls go to try and convince everyone (including CCP) that they are the only ones who know the "truth". Same 5 turds every time too.

They can't do that in low sec now

why do you like it, I am trying to understand Greyscale's reasoning

What is the point of gate guns if they can be tanked?

What is the point of gate guns if they can be tanked? Highsec should be the place that Concord responds if someone fires on you. Lowsec should be the place where you can be fired on without Concord responding. And Nullsec should be the place where there is well, no security.

I would spend far more time running missions in lowsec if were not for gatecamps and station camps. Gatecamps are just not worth my effort to deal with. Station camps are ridiculous.

I understand there is risk in going to lowsec, but if that risk isn't reasonably manageable why should I bother?

It seems to me the purpose of sentry guns is to prevent pirates from shooting fish in a barrel. I welcome anything that breaks the bottle neck. Eliminate gatecamps and stationcamps in lowsec and I will spend most of my time there knowing that at any time I can get attacked without Concord's assistance.

The same people who lock down systems seem to be the same ones that complain about a lack of targets. If you want to lock down a system, move to null where systems were intended to be locked down.

When two fleets are roaming, the most likely engagement place is on a gate.

-Liang

What would happen if those 25% suddenly disappeared from the game?

If only there was a way to have a cloaky neutral or OOC alt on one side of a gate and a fleet of pirats on the other side in a near-gate safe outside the grid and/or sentry gun range. Then, when the cloaky spots incoming targets, said fleet of pirats could warp to the gate and engage said targets.

However, I do realize that this is slightly more complicated than parking a Disco BS near the gate then rolling your face on your F1 key at the drop of a dime and that Pirats may actually have to work for a living and that's just not fair. Please reconsider CCP. Think of the Pirats.

It would be ironic if pirates had to use alts after telling everyone for years to use an alt as a gate scout.

You do bring up a valid point though. Just another reason why warp-to- 0 and and the current unrestricted bookmarking system will break so many ideas.

This would seriously **** up lowsec. Please no.


Is this the same CCP Greyscale guy who keeps coming up with ~brilliant~ ideas?

Yeah greyscale that makes complete ******* sense I'm so glad you spent company time and money coming up with this genius piece of work.

If this is your idea of "helping" lowsec please for the love of god, don't do me any favors.

In fact, low sec might become even less populated than it already is.

I've lived in lowsec for quite a while now and gotta tell you - this is probably gonna cause as much "whine 'n' unsub" threads as nex store/greed is good did. For those who don't go to low often - most of fleet/gang fights in low take place at gates. If gateguns are gonna pop carriers 4.5mins into the fight, cruiser/bc fleets going gcc on a gate aren't gonna happen at all. When was the last time you have seen a carrier at a gate? I don't think I've ever seen one.

Gatecamps - those aren't the problem, people who won't learn/adapt are. You can easily get through all of them, just do a little research.

discuss, lol

Oh hey @ Liang.

I actually have a lot of respect for you, but consider what these changes mean. If the gate guns start off much weaker than current gate guns and take long enough to ramp up, this actually makes gate fighting *easier* for the first 45-60 seconds, thereby encouraging PvP. If they do this right, you'll be getting kills and moving on well before this ramp up becomes a problem. The only people who lose out on this are the clusterfucks you see just sitting on gates doing **** all. Frankly, I'm all for it. Every time I slip through a gatecamp I chuckle, only to have my humor turn sour when I pass the *same* gatecamp hours later. That's not how PvP should be.