I think we are still one step away from making this all work. Get the ore in low sec SUBSTANTIALLY better than high sec and make it worth organizing 10 barge fleet op WITH proper combat support. There was a time in Eve where that was the only way I mined. Sadly, I can't make the case to anyone these days that doing that is anything other than crazy because I will make as much in high sec with out any of the logistics hassle and risk. Until the reward it there, you are right, not much will change.

The secret will be to make the rewards enough when spread across the GROUP to make folks want to take it on. And remember, rewards can be a fun experience every bit as much as the isks.

Issler

Do you really think 120,000 EHP on a barge or ASBs on your Tengu are going to protect you from a pvp-fit Vindicator flown by a 2004 vet who has done nothing but pvp for the past eight years? I'm telling you, it's a false sense of security. Instead of learning combat mechanics on a mass scale and organizing yourselves into competent groups, you guys are clamoring for non-player game play mechanics for protection so that you can solo mine and run missions and it simply will not work.

There have been, and still are people that do stuff like that, but those people are usually our alts. Carebears never go to low (except by accident), and will continue not to go there, because it is scary and they don't want to lose their ships. They will continue to not go there until it is as safe as it is where they are right now.

Even if CCP increases low-sec, rewards, it would have to be an exponential increase. Carebear mentality works in such a manner that even a ten-to-one reward:risk ratio isn't good enough. In their eyes, risking nothing to make X is a much more suitable option than risking X to make 10X. No, I'm not pulling this out of my ass; I constantly talk to people (especially those I kill), and try to find out what motivates them, and what makes them tick. They significantly prefer a small reward with no risk than a huge reward with a small or even moderate amount of risk. Bumping low-sec income to be even twice that of high-sec simply won't cut it.

I really don't see why carebears are getting excited about this. We're still going to murder them when they're inside low-sec, so the whole newly-acquired ease of getting into it is just going to result in a false sense of security.

No, there can't be war decs if I want station/gate games because whenever I declare war on someone, they reform into a new entity, and now it costs me on average twenty times as much to declare war on three entities than it did before the changes, so they can basically make me spend a billion per week just to declare war three or four times, and I get 0 minutes of ability to shoot someone in exchange for those payments.

So you like it currently how it is? Low-sec completely dead except for the occasional noob that wanders in by mistake and gets instantly blasted and probably will never want to return again, being that the majority of their 5 second experience of low-sec was a loading screen.

God forbid you actually go and hunt them down. That might be... New and Exciting!

So you like it currently how it is? Low-sec completely dead except for the occasional noob that wanders in by mistake and gets instantly blasted and probably will never want to return again, being that the majority of their 5 second experience of low-sec was a loading screen.

God forbid you actually go and hunt them down. That might be... New and Exciting!

So you're saying that killing them at gates prevents them from coming back, but killing them in mission sites doesn't? Whether they die via gate camp, or I hunt them down and kill them, the end result is the same: they won't come back. The only way to make them come back is to not kill them at all.

Herzog, this change is going to make camping easier, not harder. We'll be able to use 5k-scan resolution frigates to tackle with ease. It's people like camp busters and faction warfare crews that this change will hurt, because being the first to aggro means you'll be the first to eat the sentries.

I agree. 4.5 minutes is a stupidly short amount of time.

By the time you're wiping out carriers with 5000 DPS, whatever.

And how does it scale against multiple combatants?

What if a random battlecruiser with GCC warps to the gate that is totally uninvolved? it gets WTFPWNED because there's been a carrier sitting there for 3 minutes with GCC waiting to troll people?

Whatever.

I don't mind the escalating sentry gun damage, mostly because on the low end it'll mean that fights don't get ****** up by sentry so bad, but if by 4 minutes you're saying there will be 5000+DPS coming from sentries, that's bad.

That is a lot more time for them to experience and learn lowsec at least. Also it sounds like you are part of the problem why people don't want to go to lowsec. Praying on those that don't nearly have the experience or wherewithal to give you a decent fight. If people know they are just going to get smashed, it turns them off from wanting to return and participate.

I don't mind the escalating sentry gun damage, mostly because on the low end it'll mean that fights don't get ****** up by sentry so bad, but if by 4 minutes you're saying there will be 5000+DPS coming from sentries, that's bad.

Hmmm

Perhaps it's simply the cap drop they are after with the 4.5 min cap death idea?

Ganker tears refilling the Ice Belts. Wahoo.

Talk about creating an artificial environment to prove your point. This is not the norm.

Add at least 10 people to the mix and constantly cycle damage off of each ship until every ship and drone has been shot once before returning to the original target.

Don't forget to place an NPC character in a orca at the high sec gate, ready to jump because of zero agro, so those that can't just warp away can just 'store their ships instantly'.

Not sure what the current purpose of gate guns is right now, but it isn't to clear the gates :o

Make anyone sat at a gate in low sec build aggression to the guns.

I demand 'cranky' gate guns!!

Wrong. This change is ganker heaven.

Tears are coming from people who want to fight in small gangs versus other small gangs in competitive fights.

The biggest issue with people not wanting to deal with lowsec is simply entering the system or leaving station is just too risky and not worth it.