Didn't quite realize that. But I think the issue with that is that it would make lasers too much more viable on other hulls. I like having my shiny Amarr ships that are the only ones that shoot lasers.

If by other hulls you mean the Myrmidon then yes... or maybe since CCP stated that they want the Brutix to be the Active Tanker so it's like 10-1 they'll Domi out the Myrm.

Seriously though what other hulls do you think sane people would put Lasers on when they have their own weapons bonuses and you can just use bonused Amarr ships instead?

Oh god, a Minmatar ship isn't top of the heap anymore!

Rupture still has better damage projection due to falloff and all of the pros of autocannons on it's side, you do realize, and the Vexor will need that speed in order to be a decent blaster ship.

Mister CCP Fozzie.

First Great job.

But again the Amarr bonus is a joke (10% Bonus to Energy turret).

I will try to explain why :

First : Do you believe it's a bonus to have the possibility to use our guns ...

Second : When you have to bonus like the maller or abaddon ( Cap and resistance). It's often better to fits some other weapon then laser.

Example :
Abaddon Arty
Maller autocannon

Now with the new maller, it's completly stupid to put laser on them because you don't have dps, you have a **** of tracking etc.
when i see the new maller without dps bonus, it's clear that the best idea it's to fits them in mwd / blaster.

Remove the stupid bonus on the cap for Amarr and put some bonus for dps (ajust the guns to have the same dps then now).

Now with the new maller, it's completly stupid to put laser on them because you don't have dps, you have a **** of tracking etc.
when i see the new maller without dps bonus, it's clear that the best idea it's to fits them in mwd / blaster.

New changes, designed to solve some of the problems brought up so far:
Note that we've upped the mass of all the Combat cruisers in part to help keep them feeling distinct from the other cruisers.

Maller: More fittings and cap to help it operate with the still difficult to use lasers. Added 3 light drones to help with damage application.
+150 PG, +20 CPU
-200 Shield, +200 Armor
+75 Capacitor, -50s Cap Recharge Time, +0.5 Cap/s
-10 Velocity, -0.04 Agility, +500,000 mass, -0.2s Align time
+15m3 Dronebay, +15mbit bandwidth

Moa: Moving a high to a mid provides more tackle and tank options at the expense of the utility high. Slightly lower speed and higher mass alongide a better tank layout and more fittings.
-1H, +1M
+50 PG, +5 CPU
+200 Shield, -200 Armor, +100 Structure
+75 Capacitor, +0.15 Cap/s
-5 Velocity, -0.02 Agility, +500,000 mass

Vexor: Upped the mass, as the old values were just a bit too insane in practice. Added 25m3 dronebay to allow more more spare drones to be carried.
-10 Velocity, -0.07 Agility, +1,000,000 mass, -0.2s Align time
+25m3 Dronebay

Rupture: As many of you pointed out, the Rupture speed was simply too good. My bad.
-1 Launcher
-100 Structure
-30 Velocity, -0.04 Agility, +550,000 mass, -0.2s Align time

OP has been updated

Why a droneboat with gun ? droneboat is a droneboat !

Vexor:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
7% bonus to Medium drone damage
5% bonus to MWD of light drone
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
Slot layout: 2 H (-3), 4 M (+1), 6 L (+2), 0 turrets
Fittings: 800 PWG (+125), 300 CPU (+50)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1100(-73) / 2000(+515) / 2000(+515)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1450(+200) / 482.5s(+36.25s) / 3 (+0.2)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 205(+36) / 0.53(-0.04) / 11310000 (+1000000) / 5.6s (+0.1)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 (-25) / 150 (+50)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km / 280(+4) / 6(+1)
Sensor strength: 16 Magnetometric (+2)
Signature radius: 145 (-5)
Cargo capacity: 480

That bring it to 508dps with hammerhead and 228dps with hobgobelin.

And lower a bit the cpu for drone module:
- Drone link augmentor I 35 CPU 100PG
- Drone link augmentor II 40 CPU 100PG
- Omnidirectional tracking link I 30 CPU
- Omnidirectional tracking link II 35 CPU (like tracking computer II)

Lets dream =)

Have you actually looked at the Maller after the second round of changes? It's a real beast. It will kill any other cruiser not specifically fit to fight it.

i would not be surprised if the prophecy suffured the same fate as the maller and punisher , despite being tier 1 and not tier 2

Hi, with all these mass changes and tier removal, please tell us that the BPO's prices and materials are going to be changed also to reflect these changes, if not for this first release, at least in the next patch in january like 1.1 or 1.2 !??? Please don't forget to adapt the BPOs of all the frigs, destroyers and crusiers before you move to battleships...

All of the BPOs for the rebalanced ships will be changed in Retribution.

easy solution

if your cap percentage is greater then what you are targeting then you only get 50% efficancy for cap consumption... then if you go less then 50% of the target you get 100% cap consumption rate for the mod...

not a hard fix tbh...

Terrible idea, really awful. All this does is turn Nos back into its old version, obsoleting neuts and leading to a "Nos on everything" effect even more pronounced than the current "neuts on everything". At least with current neuts you have to pay cap to activate them - your future Nos would simply be a free lunch. Or half a free lunch, anyway.

The mechanic of Nos is perfect - it's an entirely defensive module that sits opposite the offensive neuts. Don't blur those lines. Instead, improve Nos by making it easier to fit and increase the drain amount. Say halve the PG and double the drain amount?

It might also be worth introducing a module that gives resistance to neut/nos too. I know we have cap batteries that provide that effect, but cap batteries are far too hard to fit, both in terms of medslots and PG/CPU, and the resistance effect is far too small. A better neut/nos-resistance module would be a highslot mod that gave around a 30-40% reduction in neut/nos drain amount, subject to normal stacking penalties. This would give a useful degree of protection against neuting and work well in conjunction with Nos.

There might be a problem with cap/supercaps fitting full racks of these neut-resist mods, but what use is, say, a triage Archon that has four neut-resisters fitted? It can't remote repair anything. Exchanging RR power for cap defense seems like it should be a reasonably self-balancing mechanism.

CCP Fozzie posted in the minutes and somewhere else that he wants to make it a Drone Boat.

Which would be a sad day. Amarr drone boats should be restricted to their EWAR brawlers.

A 5% HML/HAM RoF bonus and the 5% armour bonus would be so much better (would also have synergy with T2 and be the armour option for HML/HAM)

Why not drone/EWAR prophecy ?

Why not drone/EWAR prophecy ?

The mechanic of Nos is perfect

Battlecruisers are not ewar ships.

That's why nobody (but some bears on high spare slots) are using them.

That's why nobody (but some bears on high spare slots) are using them.

The only issue with that is that if the bonus wasn't a significant enough bonus to lasers, then people would strap on projectiles and have the ridiculous cap-boats. MWD's, points, and reppers all running pretty well close to stable because the cap was meant to run the guns, etc. Some strange things could happen, and I'm not sure if it would be good strange, or bad strange.

'Course, same could be said for the 'Matar ships, because the inherently high speed means they can save slots usually used for Nano's and the sort, but should they choose to use the slots for Nano's and the sort, they can get some ridiculously fast ships. And that doesn't inherently imbalance them...

That's why nobody (but some bears on high spare slots) are using them.