What I see is CCP Greyscale talking about "we must do something to intel gathering" and "local is probably going to be the first thing we deal with", and very little actual information.

I also saw the thread focus mostly on what to do for PVP, and very little information on what those who actually live there should do.

He also said increasing exponentially low sec gate guns would/was something interesting to implement and then a couple weeks latter and after a shif ton of forum tears from graveyard campers he stated it was just a thought and would never be implemented.

Like I said earlier, he talks a lot about "gathering intel", i.e. when fighting a war, he says absolutely nothing about living there.


Oh, I read it just fine, but no matter how many times you harp on about it, it does absolutely nothing for people who want to live there, which means it's a bad solution. Come back when you've thought of something to make it actually work for people who live there, as opposed to just run after a fleet.

Clearly u fail to understand I don't care if YOU would live in null I know there's other people that WILL.

why do you feel entitled to risk-free, easy-mode cloaky PvP?

I haven't even gotten cloaky trained and I fly assault frigs so try harder?

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that bit. Kill a fully tanked out carrier in 4 minutes, wasn't it?

I wouldn't mind it if CCP actually made some sort of hologram style CQ war room skit, where you could see both friendly and hostile towers and ships, as long as the system was upgraded to yield this information, but I do not condone making the act of living there a lot more work for no extra gain just to achieve this.

Wait that would leave your people in space blind to gankers... in less u want that on top of the local u have now.....

so you're the only person who plays this game?

You might want to spend a few more seconds reading my post, you seem to have missed a few pieces of information there.

so you're the only person who plays this game?

How would this effect your or yours? Having to have a few fleets flying around to respond to Intel spikes would be to much for you.

Have you read the first post? All it takes is a bit of team work and your all most as safe as u are now. And don't tell me goons of all people can't defend there space from a 3 man PvP fleet.

So u make a suggestion that would require so.some to sit in station all day staring at a map to keep your ratters safe.

Then turn around and shoot your own idea down because to much effort.

U have no clue what u want do you?

You might want to spend a few more seconds reading my post, you seem to have missed a few pieces of information there.

Don't bother. These no-local tpypes are basically unimaginative sociopaths, and I don't mean that in any sort of insulting way.


To them, nullsec exists only as a shooting gallery that they can take daytrips to.

It will ruin most non-fleet activity in nullsec, and they don't care.
It will ruin what little industrial activity their is, and they don't care.
It will further decrease the population of average players in nullsec, and they don't care.
It will make most empire building (infrastructure and upgrades) pointless, and they don't care.

All they care about is ganking soft targets with as little possible time or effort involved.


And when the inevitable happens, they will probably move on to removing local from lowsec, along with gate guns and sec status hits.

It's not "the world's ending", it's us telling you exactly what'll happen. It won't be a dramatic change, since null is already pretty depopulated as it is, but the fact of the matter is, WH style local will depopulate null even further, and it will have a detrimental effect on anything other than space jousting over stationary objects with timers.

Don't bother. These no-local tpypes are basically unimaginative sociopaths, and I don't mean that in any sort of insulting way.


To them, nullsec exists only as a shooting gallery that they can take daytrips to.

It will ruin most non-fleet activity in nullsec, and they don't care.
It will ruin what little industrial activity their is, and they don't care.
It will further decrease the population of average players in nullsec, and they don't care.
It will make most empire building (infrastructure and upgrades) pointless, and they don't care.

All they care about is ganking soft targets with as little possible time or effort involved.


And when the inevitable happens, they will probably move on to removing local from lowsec, along with gate guns and sec status hits.

Nullsec is depopulated because of your gate camps and your local.

And if you had a Jita, we would burn it too.

We do. It is called "VFK" and it is the biggest trade hub in nullsec. You are free to come burn it.


But since you guys can't even gank ratters or catch industrials on the gates, I'm not going to hold my breath on some highsec pubbie raid on our capitol.

High sec Concorde is your Local in 0.0. You can't shut Jita down with Concorde (thank's for the salvage though), the so-called
"pubbies" (would you make them wear a symbol on their sleeve?) won't get to VFK with the power of local.

High sec Concorde is your Local in 0.0. You can't shut Jita down with Concorde (thank's for the salvage though), the so-called
"pubbies" (would you make them wear a symbol on their sleeve?) won't get to VFK with the power of local.

The requirement of gates should go too, letting all ships dial in a warp from system to system. I remember a time when people in low and null would have loved these ideas,

Nullsec is depopulated because of your gate camps

High sec Concorde is your Local in 0.0. You can't shut Jita down with Concorde (thank's for the salvage though), the so-called
"pubbies" (would you make them wear a symbol on their sleeve?) won't get to VFK with the power of local.

Ahahahaha yeah we never see roaming gangs sitting on our undock at all, because the pubbies are so effortlessly blocked by our gatecamps and local chat.

Lets take a look at my intel channel for a second...

Name edited out > vigilant, ferox, rupture, thorax, myrmidon all on e-o gate in m-o now

Name edited out > Efterpi jumping E-OGL4 raptor

Name edited out > Dan Radermaker+21 in H-PA29* Sonnensystem

Somehow all of these pubbies managed to crash our impenetrable gatecamps emboldened by the power of local all in a 30 minute period.

Meanwhile I just wandered with a small cloaking gang into IRC space past their impenetrable gatecamp which is empowered by the strength of unstoppable local and killed some of their players traveling down their jump bridge highway.

Snot Shot of COAD fame regularly wanders into our space at will, right through the EC- and Taisy gatecamps, and Snot Shot isn't even good at this game.

Hey guys it turns out when all you do is ***** about how hard it is to kill things in null from the safety of "Never been to nullsec" it's hard to get kills out there :( :( :(

I know I've been saying this a lot; but have you tried not being bad at this game?

So thx for pointing out so clearly what I have spent a month saying. Local allows u free Intel with NO effort at all.

Tell us more about seeing ship types from local.