No amount of DR rules will prevent who want to put the effort into to from controling more than 5% or any arbitrary number you could put instead. The coalition system alraedy prove how the alliance level is not the upper limit of possible management without even being implemented in the game.

You're equivocating, here. The point is the limit is still stupid.

If scalable content is added to nullsec, even stricter limits than 5% max sovereignty may be necessary to maintain any reasonable level of organizational balance.

But that's assuming CCP ever decided they are willing to open that can of worms at all. Limited nullsec content with unlimited sov is frankly easier to manage for them.

It should not be that you have the ability to take more than 5% and defend it.

It should be that you take more than 5% and use it.

If Sov is based off usage then people will have to mine, rat ect.. with an AFK cloaker in the system.
It will give small gangs a lot of ability to harass an area and get kills
It will mean that gaining sov will require both military and industrial forces.

Not the stupid way it is now where you spend no time in a system and only ever go there if someone attacks it.

Yes system upgrades, sov ect should be based on usage not isk, You dont make an area yours just by dropping some space flag in it, you must use it.

How does that make any sense?

You're missing her point. It's not about usage vs. defense, she is talking about social interaction evolving beyond anything CCP can build mechanically. It makes zero difference whether or not you defend the space or use the space, that is not what limits you to 5%. If 12 Alliances each managed to hold and use 5% of 0.0 space, but were in a coalition together, you now have a social entity that owns 60% of EVE's nullsec territory. CCP cannot stop that diplomatic relationship from forming. Which is just a fancier way of saying numerical limits on sovereignty are completely useless and are a waste of time to discuss.

Isn't doing less easier for CCP? Seems to make sense, unless the implication was that EVE was dying.

Pwetty much waht you Goons want wite?

Eve Die, Goons wun off to other game and do it again. Just like wabbits.

We wucky CCP not stewpid. Is Long time watcing Goons mwake fools of CCP. Should maybe count all the Goon paying accounts.

Dey pay with fwench fwies dey steel frum boss.

Is bad two many Dev ist Goons too. Wery bad.

Pwetty much waht you Goons want wite?

Eve Die, Goons wun off to other game and do it again. Just like wabbits.

We wucky CCP not stewpid. Is Long time watcing Goons mwake fools of CCP. Should maybe count all the Goon paying accounts.

Dey pay with fwench fwies dey steel frum boss.

Is bad two many Dev ist Goons too. Wery bad.

Dolan pls

Post wid mane

My mane is in Spain

Meissa pls

My mane is in Spain for now hunting Spanish wabbits. He powst lataw. What is CSM? Goon CIA?

Its good to see that the CSM is so famous even EVe-O posters don't know what it is



And some Gwoons were arguing about educating the players

gimmick posting is hilarious

Bwing in da Wovians with auto auto Death ways. Doons go boom many Wovian KM's all happy.

You're doing an excellent job of supporting their argument with this example.

I hab Pwex in Jiba u buy cheap.


900M K jus cuz u PMS. Spwecial Goon alt deal.

It is good to see the CSM is not under NDA for childish behaviour.

I fee so honored you decided to come to GD and post just to give me crap while attempting to derail a 100 page thread at the same time.

Now can you actually post about the topic at hand like you did 30 or so pages ago or are we limited to only 1 comment from your glorious magnificence?

Or is this just a preemptive strike as you know I will go bat crap crazy about some stupid idea you put forward in the minutes?

This thread has reached new lows, emergency action has been taken.

No wait wait..let me guess

You just spent days at the summit hammering out the basis for another isk based Sov system didn't you.

We were getting along just fine until you suddenly decided that my CSM status meant I'm not allowed to have a sense of humor. (The comment you quoted above, by the way, wasn't even a joke.)



I have shown my ability to treat the subject seriously when necessary, as well as my ability to laugh at the shitposts. Just because you've made a choice between the two doesn't mean I can't do both.



Well, I had held out hopes that you might be able to discuss this rationally, but if you're already feeling threatened once again because of a one-line comment I think its safe to say we all expect you to go bat crap crazy over something in there at this point. I'm hoping this little outburst is just some pent-up frustration because you let yourself look a little silly trying to reason with Hilmar Fudd, troll of trolls. Of course, I could just as easily be accused the same for having ongoing conversations with you......

...by all means though, keep cool and prove me wrong.