this is useless filibustering nonsense

I'm not sure if you're just stupid or attempting to troll (badly, albeit) but what is the point of importing low ends to nullsec, to use in outposts at a less efficient rate than in High Sec; when it can simply be done in High Sec for less overhead/risk.

you're poorly weaseling around things again

this came from a discussion on transport costs. each region must import 3/4ths of its fuel even if it mines all of the "on-race" fuel locally, and 3/4ths of its r8s/r32s

... if you import from other null regions (where you have theoretically conquered parts of each quadrant): they must be laborously moved from across the map (and it will be significantly harder/more expensive to do this than from jita).

Specifically import from highsec, which you've weaseled (name source? naw, too easy) into "Well, you have to import from somewhere". Nonetheless it's looking more and more like it is too easy to import from high, especially when you say things like,

But that whole idea, in spite of the fact that you quite obviously agree, seems to have really set you off.

I'll say it again: because of the (now agreed at the very least relative) ease of transport from highsec, nerfing high will not achieve the ends you claim to desire, short of destroying highsec entirely.

So, because you want the ability to run Gallente towers in Caldari-ish space, and don't want to mine low ores locally, you *need* to trade with highsec to operate in nullsec?

I'll grant that it is more efficient and profitable to do so, but that supply line could get cut off tomorrow and your region-appropriate towers would still be fuelable, and you still could get all the minerals you needed (even if less efficiently).

It might not be efficient enough to hold the space against someone who did have a highsec supply line, but nullsec isn't actually *lacking* any necessary resource.

You're just ranting about why you won't go to null, and it's entirely because someone can shoot you.

You're not the kind of person null isn't supposed to be attracting, you're obviously afraid of the risks inolved.

In fact, you're exactly the kind of person that needs to be ganked repeatedly in high sec.

Haha. Seems like I hit the nail on its head. Who doesn't like the juicy goon tears.

capital ships, t2 ships, is there is no end to your wrongitude (you cannot make racial t2 ships out of only your racial r32)

plus racial towers are deliberately designed to have specific bonuses for specific tasks and you are not intended to use one tower for all tower uses

basically were we to change 0.0 so t2 ships did not exist and you created uniracial empires at cap level and above and decided that you should not be able to use multiple tower types, in that game transportation would not be needed

fortunately we do not play that dumb game

You don't *need* empire at all if you can work out trade arrangements with other nullsec entities.

So our blue lists are a good thing for EVE Online?

I thought agreements was the main thing killing eve

Why High sec could be nerfed and it wont matter

In a Mack in high sec:

1275m3/180s so 1275 per 3 min. there are 20 cycles then in an hour, so I should get 25500m3 per hour by the math. Yet, Im looking at 25004.9 in slightly less than a half hour - I think it doesnt count fleet bonuses

9 mil an hour or so depending on how much attention I pay when the strip miners stop running - with one account I have two.
I can PLEX one account in 64 hours (or 32 hours with both accounts). I could buy a freighter in 166.6666666666667 hours to buy a freighter or 83.5 hours

Theres about 720 hours in a month. Thats of course assuming 23/7 mining which I dont do due to work/sleep/IRL/etc

mining just veldspar.

So unless you removed all minerals from high sec I can still quite easily PLEX a second (or more actually) mining account living in high sec

Big bonuses can be had from a skilled up Orca (in highsec) booster with mindlink. I believe you can get nearly up to 20mil, possibly less when you take into account switching crystals, warping about to drop off ore etc etc. Depending on where you are mining in highsec, constantly popping asteroids or even clearing whole belts might be an issue.

Yeah Im not doing it really really hard core, IE said Orca, this is just 2 macks
but EVEN just 2 macks you can make this much. So they can nerf high sec, they can take the lvl 4s and move em to low/null. Youll just have the ppl mining instead unless you guys get back to full speed ganking and making miners scared again

the annoyance is that your entire arguing strategy is throw up chaff

...because a certain level transportation is an absolute necessity for a functional 0.0 it simply cannot be nerfed beyond a specific point, and that point makes certain parts of 0.0 industry still absolutely inferior to buying in jita and importing.

and my math was wrong because the mouse over info isnt taking my t2 crystals into account.

so 9,000,000 x 1.75 or 15,750,000 per hour

or something... stupid maths

Ah, that's a lot closer to what I was seeing. That is without boosts, right?

Only boosts I have is mining foreman 5 and Director 3 but no mining links and no orca

so the volume might be slightly higher with the mining foreman boost as Im fleeted with the second account

WiS is the main thing killing EvE.

With about four miners, the gains from the orca pays for its own plex a month. With 2, it won't. Of course, having fleet bonuses from just a miner with Foreman V is doable, though the links help a lot with yield, miner range and you can even help your tank via shield links.

Why High sec could be nerfed and it wont matter

In a Mack in high sec:

1275m3/180s so 1275 per 3 min. there are 20 cycles then in an hour, so I should get 25500m3 per hour by the math. Yet, Im looking at 25004.9 in slightly less than a half hour - I think it doesnt count fleet bonuses

9 mil an hour or so depending on how much attention I pay when the strip miners stop running - with one account I have two.
I can PLEX one account in 64 hours (or 32 hours with both accounts). I could buy a freighter in 166.6666666666667 hours to buy a freighter or 83.5 hours

Theres about 720 hours in a month. Thats of course assuming 23/7 mining which I dont do due to work/sleep/IRL/etc

mining just veldspar.

So unless you removed all minerals from high sec I can still quite easily PLEX a second (or more actually) mining account living in high sec

Walking in Station and Ambulation on a whole is such a minor complaint at this point, who really cares?

Most of the people complaining about WiS are the same people that log in, mine ice or do missions in their High Security safety blanket, in their little one man corp with 0% tax rate- doing their part in the choir of people singing "I don't overly enjoy EVE because I have no impact on the game" complaining about literally anything on the forums waiting for their next ice harvester cycle to finish.

The only thing 'killing EVE' is CCP actually listening to those mongoloids.

Walking in Station and Ambulation on a whole is such a minor complaint at this point, who really cares?

Most of the people complaining about WiS are the same people that log in, mine ice or do missions in their High Security safety blanket, in their little one man corp with 0% tax rate- doing their part in the choir of people singing "I don't overly enjoy EVE because I have no impact on the game" complaining about literally anything on the forums waiting for their next ice harvester cycle to finish.

The only thing 'killing EVE' is CCP actually listening to those mongoloids.