IRL citizenship does not matter beyond some writings on a piece of paper too. A piece of paper you can change these days and pronto! you are now another country citizen and avoid taxes!

You don't get to have perfect safety, go play WOW

all of EVE is pvp, 'civilized' has no place here

IRL citizenship does not matter beyond some writings on a piece of paper too. A piece of paper you can change these days and pronto! you are now another country citizen and avoid taxes!

If civilized has no place here, then industry and research don't as well. You either have a permanent emergency military headquarter or you have a proper nation.

those have been proposed ad nauseum, they just all require certain broken features of highsec to be toned down because highsec's brokenness with industry is what breaks null industry

Imo a lot of the defensive postures would go if there'd be a groupthink (including CCP) where a true direction and "model" for player made empires was established.

No, it's the ease of transport that "breaks" null industry.

More slots in null requires no change to high. Cost changes require no change to high. Mining is already available, and mineral availability is higher.

Is this how you tried to skirt paying taxes irl

No, that's what I see every time they show the news about rich Americans / French moving out like that.

If I wanted to skirt paying taxes I'd just stay in my country, they are totally clueless at how to catch tax evaders.

nope

your lack of imagination and terror at the idea of risk isn't shared by actual 0.0 dwellers

you give me proper tools to fix the crippling issues with null industry - trit, refineries, slots, competing with highsec pricexs - and I'll have industry in dek to rival anywhere in empire without promising people that CONCORD will protect them (because goons, unlike you, know how to deal with risk, reduce it, factor it into business plans, and have enough firepower behind them to make themselves secure without bleating to ccp to do it for them)

At no point should 0.0 become highsec or have automated npc defenses. The need for being able to upgrade local industry and create genuine empires has been written about at length (by me, and others), but it is about giving players tools to create empires and an industrial base, not allowing them to create highsec. NPC guards would never enter into the equation.

So far my lack of imagination has brought here some examples and implementations, while you limited to rebuttals.
My imagination might not suit you but that does not mean I don't have it.

have you managed to come around to a point as it relates to eve yet or have we fully won this argument that real citizenship matters significantly while eve "citizenship" does not exist and what does exist is meaningless fluff

because if you'll recall that was the point rather than your particular stories about how you evade irl taxes

I see your point, it depends what the mechanics are, like the ability to build some sort of gate guns shouldn't be out of the question.

Love your articles on the mittani dude, it's go to reading for the nullsec debate.

EvE empires affect game play enough that people skill up and fly their empire ships. That's quite of an huge impact, even if on paper it's not forcible, yet it happens.

Comparatively speaking citizenship had more impact on my EvE character than me being in my country, I only bought a national car in my life and so on.

those have been proposed ad nauseum, they just all require certain broken features of highsec to be toned down because highsec's brokenness with industry is what breaks null industry

You CANT Nerf HighSec!

wrong

because everything in null has to be imported ease of transport drops away: you can either import a finished hull or you can import minerals and freighter them around like a madman

the idea mineral avalibility is higher in 0.0 is so absurd i don't even know how to deal with someone with that little grasp of the facts

in short, npc alt: unsuprisingly knows nothing about nullsec industry

wrong

because everything in null has to be imported ease of transport drops away: you can either import a finished hull or you can import minerals and freighter them around like a madman

the idea mineral avalibility is higher in 0.0 is so absurd i don't even know how to deal with someone with that little grasp of the facts

in short, npc alt: unsuprisingly knows nothing about nullsec industry

uh yeah i've run industry in null for years and do today and help run the most successful alliance in the game with the closest thing to a functioning 0.0 market in the game and have clearly explained the flaws with the current model and what holds us back

you complain that you could not bear the risk of 0.0 without concord and your imagination is "well lets make 0.0 highsec, but players get to choose the names!"

the point of 0.0 industry isn't to be highsec industry, but in a different place, it's to be industry under combat conditions, something actually tricky and complex rather than a series of boring riskless steps

One thing I would like to point out is in 12 pages there isn't one cogent, well written, argument about why highsec "cannot" be nerfed. I think it has to remain on the table as an option for CCP.

At no point should 0.0 become highsec or have automated npc defenses. The need for being able to upgrade local industry and create genuine empires has been written about at length (by me, and others), but it is about giving players tools to create empires and an industrial base, not allowing them to create highsec. NPC guards would never enter into the equation.

It's simply not true that everything in null has to be imported. It makes more sense to because of the ease of transport, but to say it must be so is pretty clearly false.

Even if that were true, that still wouldn't require a highsec nerf to correct. That's again pretty trivially obvious.

Considering as 3rd party I venture everywhere including wormholes (even posted screenshots on GD some days ago), I'd not say I "can't bear the risk".

correlation isn't causation

people want to roleplay and fly minmatar ships so they pick a minmatar dude and skill up minmatar ships

there is no way in which the character they picked influences their ship choice rather their ship choice influences the character they pick

uh yeah you just said you wouldn't move out to 0.0 until it was made highsec by a different name because you don't want to deal with the risk

third partying transactions in a newbie ship isn't risk soz