I apologize for my attitude, but it is within reason:


I am rather upset that my favorite ship the Hurricane is being nerfed into uselessness. It was balanced and fine the way it was there was no need or reason to even touch it buff or nerf wise, it was a perfect ship.

And now as if if nerfing its PG and CPU was not enough (which basically crippled it), your throwing it off the cliff and into the space Junk yard by taking its shields, its armor, its hull and one of its high slots.

I mean really, enough is enough. Stop, put it back the way it was and leave it alone, instead of nerfing the ONLY balanced and worthwhile BC's (The Cane The Myrm, and the Drake) why dont you buff the others to put them in line with them? I mean seriously.

Breaking **** is not fixing ****. Its the exact opposite.

If you continue along this line of development you should refund the skillpoints player spent months and years putting into the Cane. Some people focused specifically on this ship and it is the only one they fly for pvp. By nerfing it like you continue to do you are basically forcing a player to retrain for months in order to get into a ship that is as effective as the one they have already trained for.

For example, I now fly battlships, simply because BC's are no longer worth my time with all the nerfs your giving them and I dont feel like retraining for months in order to "specialize" the others like I was in the cane.

If the above is out of the question, then I seriously suggest you add a function to EvE which allows the player to reset their skill points or to reallocate them. That way when you do stupid **** like this, your decisions do not cripple the player.

They are buffing its armor?

Cane is fine and first of all, real men arty fit their canes !

Mass addition was over the top and clearly harboring some personal distaste for the ship beyond the objective of balance.

The cane has been nerfed harder than any other of the tier2 bcs, by far. Whats needed is a rollback of the +300000 mass to probably 175000.

Mass addition was over the top and clearly harboring some personal distaste for the ship beyond the objective of balance.

The cane has been nerfed harder than any other of the tier2 bcs, by far. Whats needed is a rollback of the +300000 mass to probably 175000.

Someone already pointed out that i am stupid, but that still does not change the fact that the ship is a ***** to fit. I already downgraded every other module on it. And also if you downgrade EANM you wont get ehp the op reported. And its a fit that uses 800mm plate. Even cruisers now can fit 1600.

the harb with a 1600mm RRTP; needed to swap the medium cap booster for a small, and one of the trimarks for an ACR

882 m/s (with MWD down from 903 with an 800 plate and 3 trimarks)
51,572 EHP (in eve fitting screen up from 47,835 with the 800 plate)
719 DPS (conflag + valkyeries in eve fitting screen)
547 DPS (scorch + valkyeries in eve fitting screen)
+ Only gets a small cap booster
+ web and LR point.

This is slower but has like 10% more HP . . . not sure which you want to pick.

There is no point talking about the Harbinger. The fitting requirements have been and will still be too tight.

If the main Amarrian gunboat can't reach the level of the ArmorCane, then something's wrong.

Buff its fitting requirements so that it can at least fit a 1600mm T2, Heavy Pulses and a MWD without any fitting mods. Then maybe cancel the CPU nerf and that should do.

I also found the fitting on the Harbinger very restrictive. It's worse than before.

The Brutix needs to have its active tanking bonus replaced by something else (falloff bonus). The Myrmidon is already quite capable in this area and makes the Brutix' active tanking bonus redundant.

And again, the problem with that is you are limited by CPU and PG. You have to downgrade everything and even then you need a fitting rig/cpu implant and AWU 5 for fit that is only decent. Try to fit Hurricane, it can fit everything the Harbinger can but it does not need to downgrade EANM, point, damage control etc. And can use that utility high, you can get away with AWU4 etc.

The problem is that this is a balancing patch and the gap between Harbinger and other bc only grow bigger. It has crap tank, is incredibly slow, lowest agility in class, hardest fitting. It brings nothing on the table except damage projection with mediocre dps.

Not like any alliance/corporation had Harbingers in their doctrines like Drake and Hurricane, not like anyone ever said "they fly harbys we are fuck3d". There was really no reason to nerf it this much.

Fozzie, you have time to be a hero for the Federation. Make the brutix a viable fleet ship that has two bonuses that are useable for fights involving more than 2 people.

+1

Fozzie, this feels a bit like a let down. C'mon man, either the Brutix or the Myrmidon has to lose the rep bonus. I've been using the Ferox as a fleet ship since January, but I'd really like to be able to use a Gallente ship for fleet and not rely on Caldari.

Harbinger:
Powergrid: +100
CPU: +25

Still feels like the Ferox needs +1 midslot and the Drake needs to lose the shield resist. Just make a clear break between the "attack" boat and "combat" boat in each race; every race needs one boat that is good at each. The tier 3s are not "attack" ships, they're dedicated snipers and gank wagons. Right now all the tier 1/2 boats are some sort of half-hearted hybrid without any clear roles between them. And the 10% kinetic bonus on the Drake is even worse of a bad thing than 5% was. Just swap it to RoF + Velocity. It is plain silly for the Drake firing heavy missiles to have the same effective range as a Caracal firing lights.

Would you stop putting utility highs on ranged ships? They really have no use at all.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't have the grid or cap for a gang mod in there.

Still feels like the Ferox needs +1 midslot and the Drake needs to lose the shield resist. Just make a clear break between the "attack" boat and "combat" boat in each race; every race needs one boat that is good at each. The tier 3s are not "attack" ships, they're dedicated snipers and gank wagons. Right now all the tier 1/2 boats are some sort of half-hearted hybrid without any clear roles between them. And the 10% kinetic bonus on the Drake is even worse of a bad thing than 5% was. Just swap it to RoF + Velocity. It is plain silly for the Drake firing heavy missiles to have the same effective range as a Caracal firing lights.