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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:46:00 -
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Faith = restored. Really looking forward to winter now. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:47:00 -
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FlopSter wrote:Nopsa wrote:kool, any chance for slight nerf on titan jump portals also, hotdropping isn't very rare occurance. That mechanic works fine...they can't bridge very far as it is... So what? Doomsday couldn't shoot very far, too - merely in grid 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
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CCP Tallest
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:49:00 -
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Confirming that logoff timer change is for all ships and not just capitals. |
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Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:50:00 -
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Good changes for the most part.
But since Fighters have been nerfed into the ground, whats the point of them anymore? They don't have a role that bombers dont already do 10x better...
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Tokino Kaalakiota
Kaalakiota Logistical Serivces
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:50:00 -
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Awesome changes.
As an ex/current supercap owner I applaud these changes.
CCP fixed the real problem - DDing subcaps and did a couple other changes that will primarily affect ratting faggots who improperly use their supers.
This won't effectively change anything about how supercaps are used except for the DDing subcaps, which WAS op. and the sentry blob from SCs.
Mittani and the rest of the "supercap blob" whiners can go cry themselves to sleep while smart individuals can make use of existing tactics to counter supercap blobs, which are made even MORE obvious now that CCP has basically bitchslapped the community in the face with obvious hints on how to beat supercap "blobs".
-Tokino/Lords (alt char courtesy of CCP's forumban) |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:51:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:Confirming that logoff timer change is for all ships and not just capitals.
Thank you very much, appreciated. Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:52:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:Jack Dant wrote:Sounds good, but will this also affect people who log off without aggression, and would normally dissapear within 1 minute? If you have not registered aggression at the point of logoff, you will disappear as normal. This cannot be extended by post-logoff aggression.
Aw, so no fix thus far for jump-in -> Logoffski. What if logging off within a minute of the conclusion of the session change timer triggered the 15 minute timer? |
ToXicPaIN
Souls of Steel Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:53:00 -
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Remove Dronebay from the Titan and Dreadnought sucks also that the DD dont work on Sub-Caps ... ppff ... F*** O**
with what weapon can a Titan and a Dread now fight vs. Sub-Caps ??
a Citadel Torpedo vs a Hurricane dont work. or a Siege Autocanon vs. Hurricane also dont work.
at the moment there are only Drones to fight them.
so this realy realy sucks ! |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:54:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:CCP Tallest is now even taller.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:54:00 -
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Great blog. I do have one gripe, and it's fairly significant: Remote tracking links must not be allowed to boost a Titan's tracking.
As it stands now, a Titan can use its guns to take out the very Hictors who are supposed to be tackling it with no impact on its full-tank fit due to tracking links. In Goonswarm, we often fit remote links on our carriers and supercarriers, and use them to turn our Titans into subcap-blenders.
If Titans could not receive remote tracking boosts, should they want to try to shoot subcaps down, they would have to sacrifice some of their tank in order to do so. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:54:00 -
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ToXicPaIN wrote:
with what weapon can a Titan and a Dread now fight vs. Sub-Caps ??
The awesome weapon of a buddy in a ship that can hit those targets. GM Homonoia | Info Group | Game Master |
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:55:00 -
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WarFireV
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:55:00 -
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I think you missed the point with Titans, doomsday was never a major problem. It's the fact that they can be ganked fit(Using officer tracking computers, and officer tracking enhancers) and pretty much kill any ship in two shots no matter what with capital turrets.
Still though this is prertty good, just make sure you look into what I posted above or you will just end up with Titan blobs. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:56:00 -
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Excellent.
Let the map burn. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Di Mulle
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:56:00 -
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ToXicPaIN wrote:Remove Dronebay from the Titan and Dreadnought sucks also that the DD dont work on Sub-Caps ... ppff ... F*** O**
with what weapon can a Titan and a Dread now fight vs. Sub-Caps ??
Like other ships of your fleet, you know.
CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:57:00 -
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WarFireV wrote:I think you missed the point with Titans, doomsday was never a major problem. It's the fact that they can be ganked fit(Using officer tracking computers, and officer tracking enhancers) and pretty much kill any ship in two shots no matter what with capital turrets.
Still though this is prertty good, just make sure you look into what I posted above or you will just end up with Titan blobs.
The DD was (still is) a major problem, but yeah I think they should have nerfed tracking somewhat.
That said if he's serious about ongoing balance reviews, then we can see how this plays out on the battlefield. If it turns that that Titans not being able to clear the field of logis in the first 10 minutes of a fight tips the balance, then fair enough. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:58:00 -
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I really like everything, except for one thing:
Moms will still be overpowered. They will own dreads like they used to. Instead of 70m EHP they'll have 50m EHP, which is still WAY too much.
Moms should not have titan EHP and damage.
You'll see a sudden surge of dreadnought use, which will mostly get owned by moms, then no one will use dreads again.
Also: Nerf fighter speed please? This is the real reason why they're so strong against subcaps. |
Kozmic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:00:00 -
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Good stuff. About time.. |
Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:00:00 -
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The only change that was needed -- was the logoff timer, now that even the biggest whiners had figured out how to force the enemy to avoid committing supercaps without support fleet.
So, good change with logoff timer.
The ehp reduction will not work the way you intended. It will simply encourage more people to move to Titans and ensure whoever has more titans will always win the engagement since no one will want to risk third of their fleet being wiped by DDs on the first jump in.
There was nothing wrong with supercapital EHP, except it was hard to kill them in a lagged system with the logoff timer. All your EHP reduction now does is make titans even more king than before. Was this your intention?
Dronebays -- fine, but I'd consider allowing every class of a supercarrier to store one flight of BOTH fighters and fighter bombers.
Siege Timer -- good, will make small ninja stuff viable.
ECM Burst -- good, seemed like a bug to begin with tbh.
I would have much rather personally seen a complete redesign of the supercapital shipclass and taken them off the battlefield. This one will simply buy you a bit of time, without really addressing the issue at all. It will stealth boost titans, and make entities who can regularly field 30+ of them more overpowered than before.
The longer you prolong the titan issue, the bigger problem you face when you finally face up to the fact they need a no-combat role and you have to somehow make 2k+ titan accounts worthwile in a non-combat role. |
Vicar2008
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:00:00 -
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"To fix this, we are changing the superweapon so that it cannot fire upon sub-capital ships"
Maybe I picking this up wrong, but no matter the Titans tracking it still wont be able to kill anything unless it huge ass big Capital size and above...... |
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Zhentar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:01:00 -
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2 things to adjust for SC drones:
1) Full flights of both bombers and fighters. If that's all we get, we should at the very least be able to carry a flight of each.
2) Some way for SC's to attack POS's. |
jm24
CRICE Corp Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:01:00 -
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I would like to understand the logic behind ECM Invulnerability on ship as this has been excluded from the changes.
Certain friendly type ECM, notable RSB and Tracking Links work on these ships. Should it not be either to allow ECM at all, or not at all? Allowing a favourable subset of ECM to these ship classes hardly seems to be working as intended. Could there be more light shed on this oversight? |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Excellent.
Let the map burn.
That's quite short-sighted. Supers will be doing (nearly) same damage as they do today. The only difference is they won't engage subcaps, and those superblobs might be more likely (than they used to) too. What differs is they might carry a subcap fleet with them. Subcap fleet can be cynoed around with the superblob, using bridges.
So in essence, for blobs and powerblocs, this is no nerf. This is a nerf to smaller alliances and/or groups. Especially the removal or regular drones, which is going to make non-blob moving alot more dangerous.
This game just goes more into a blob-game than ever, and looking at the map.. well it might not burn, as you say, it's more likely it'll stay stagnant than before these changes. Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Raquel Smith
Freedom-Technologies The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:04:00 -
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I have to echo the thoughts to add fighter and fighter bomber signature resolution as a penalty to the appropriate ships. It seems to impose an unnecessary penalty to carriers. |
Mekia Buelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:04:00 -
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So umm no capital buffs? |
ToXicPaIN
Souls of Steel Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:04:00 -
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I think a normal drone bay for titans and Dreads is mandatory
and a tracking or what ever bonus for the normal capital weapons
Turrets and Missles |
fencejumper
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:06:00 -
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So with your 20% HP reductions, the hel now gets 21mil ehp, which is nearly 20% less then the nyx.
With your removal of normal drone bays, it makes my hel's logistical uses null, as i wont have any rep drones. so you might as well change the bonus of the hel from 5% remote armor/shield reps to a 5% shield hitpoint bonus. which would bring it closer to a nyx, while still being horribly short. |
Hiram Alexander
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:06:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Great blog. I do have one gripe, and it's fairly significant: Remote tracking links must not be allowed to boost a Titan's tracking.
As it stands now, a Titan can use its guns to take out the very Hictors who are supposed to be tackling it with no impact on its full-tank fit due to tracking links. In Goonswarm, we often fit remote links on our carriers and supercarriers, and use them to turn our Titans into subcap-blenders.
If Titans could not receive remote tracking boosts, should they want to try to shoot subcaps down, they would have to sacrifice some of their tank in order to do so. Amen |
Chruker
Universe 9
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:06:00 -
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How about renaming the supercarrier's Drone Bay to Fighter Bay |
Cronyx Ravage
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:07:00 -
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Can someone explain why, exactly, it makes sense for fighters to have a hard time shooting subcaps? Theyre *fighters*, right? With a pilot inside. It would be like a Viper Mk.2 having a hard time shooting something the size of Colonial One, as far as cruisers go, a heavy raider to relate to frigates, or a frakin Basestar to relate to battleships. Making them only effective against capitals is like saying Vipers are only effective against Hiveships, Resurection hubs, or colony ships. Or a more real world example, F-16s are only effective against.... What? Something the size of an Independence Day city destroyer? (there is no real world exame for this size difference) |
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