Abaddon
Capacitor amount / recharge rate / cap per second : 6375 / 1250s / 5.1
Apocalypse
Capacitor amount / recharge rate / cap per second : 7000 / 1002s / 6.99
Armageddon
Capacitor amount / recharge rate / cap per second : 6200 / 1087s / 5.7

I kinda like this. Boost the bonus but the stacking penalty as well. Give Cap Rechargers a side benefit of 'resisting' neutralizers, but only a small percentage amount.

Well, if Amarr got an additional bonus there would be no end to the riots demanding the same number of bonuses for all races.

This would be followed immediately thereafter by Amarr pilots complaining that one of their bonuses is taken up with that annoying cap use bonus to be able to fire their guns.

A fairly vicious cycle.

I mean, obviously, we are never at a penalty. I've been saying for years we're the superior race, but nobody believed me.

That is homogenisation : when all things are equal everywhere with different colors. That's not balance.

Mega Beam Laser 1
40 km range
16 falloff
65 GJ power usage
9.00 rate of fire
3.0 damage modifier
tracking 0.0153125 rad/sec
FITTING
55 CPU
3250 Powergrid



425mm Railgun 1
48 km range
24 km falloff
21 GJ power usage
9.56 rate of fire
3.025 damage modifier
0.01010625 rad/sec
FITTING
67 CPU
2200 Powergrid


I'm sorry .. what did you say again ? I couldn't hear you from the already obvious homogenization...

How do you mean 'fix them', because as I understand it, there are multiple problems here.

- Reduce the cap use too much on the lasers, and you setup the potential for other races to be able to use them just as well as Amarr, creating unbalance by having fits that aren't expected and planned for.

- Increase the cap recharge or total cap too much on Amarr ships, and you will see fits such as 'unlimited neut' or 'unlimited mwd' fits that break one game mechanic or another. The amount of cap a ship uses for non-weapon functionality is also important.

- Put a cap use bonus on certain ships, and you simply make lasers only really viable on THOSE ships, but also remove the option for other useful bonuses. Basically as in the past, your wasting a bonus just to let Amarr do what every other race does without a bonus.

Those are just the three 'easy' options, and most suggested.

Great Scott! You mean the only advantage Tachyons have, in exchange for ~50% more powergrid cost, is better tracking?! By Jove, he's cracked the case! To the carriage, we must apprehend Professor Moriarty!

Seriously though, folks. Before you, or anyone tries to compare weaponry, go have a legitimate look at their differences, and think about their respective roles on their respective ships.

He didn't post tachyons.

Neglect is indeed the most appropriate term I think. It used to be the case that most of the things said about the Minmatar today were true of the Amarr. They pretty much dominated every other races capabilities... so much so that they were considered the most noobie friendly race because they were simple and extremely powerful.

This of course eventually caused people to complain and changes began to happen to the other races ships and weapons, but the Amarr stayed as they were. Eventually, they were surpassed in many ways.

They need to have their racial strengths and weaknesses re-evaluated from the ground up, which will no doubt upset many, but the game would be stronger and more enjoyable for everyone if it were done.

The bold line, perhaps, we might want to give some thought too

Wrong wrong wrong wrong, right about scorch.

T1 hyperion can fit 425 railguns pretty easily. You might make sacrifices, but it feels like that's one of the redeeming qualities of Railguns/blasters- they're easier to fit than the laser/artillery counterparts. Open EFT, look at fitting a hyperion with 425 rails, vs fitting an Abaddon with Tachs. Or compare the current state of 425s to Beam II's (which won't ever be used until the real laser rebalance)

I think you missed my point- the only way to tank an Abaddon right now is like a drake, because the lasers sure as hell don't leave room left over in the capacitor for anything else!

Lasers use up much more than your shield booster, unless you're fitting an X-L, which is by definition an oversized module, UNLIKE THE TACHYONS, which remain in "Large" category. If Tachyons were changed to X-L, a lot of people would stop complaining, but they're either mis-labeled, or imbalanced right now.

As for beam lasers themselves, they have competitive damage (read: worse), worse tracking, and a longer max range where the damage quickly falls off after the scorch threshold. Just to put this in perspective, Imp Navy Multifreq in Beam II's outdamages the long range scorch crystal, but the scorch crystal outreaches and out-tracks the multifreq. And it out-reaches/tracks gleam. And once you're outside scorch range, the damage falls off rather quickly, though still dealing more than rails. (note, rails have a much longer absolute range)


This thread is starting to tick me off. If we compare Amarr ships to Amarr ships, we're accused of not looking at the whole picture. If we compare Amarr ships to another race's ship, we're accused of homogenizing and attempting to make lasers capacitor free.

And tachyons can only do EM and Thermal damage, which is naturally tanked against with all armor values. It's also part of the ONLY weapon system which is limited on the types of damage it can do.

And they require far more powergrid than their artillery counterpart.

And they use far more capacitor per second then their hybrid counterparts.



Individually, these aren't really that bad. But when you combine them on a ship that has almost the same powergrid as that artillery-fit vessals, and almost the same capacitor as those hybrid-fit vessels, with a ship class that is still running cap-intensive mods just like all the others.

The whole picture of the weapon system and it's preferred ship classes (taking in the Oracle as well) is where you see the flaw. Individual components aren't bad. The whole thing taken together is broken.

I think we should start ignoring the obvious troll posts like this. FYI most mission runners use tech 1 ships with t2 or faction modules attached, if they can afford it after becoming uber players they tend to go for t2 or t3, but there's more t1 out there than anything else.

Quite honestly, I clicked the option to hide Bouh's posts about 2 weeks ago. Only reason I even notice he's still on the thread is everyone keeps quoting him.

Ignorant me, but we can hide peoples posts now?

So many changes in the last two years. So many really ... good ... changes ...

Ignorant me, but we can hide peoples posts now?

So many changes in the last two years. So many really ... good ... changes ...

i just stopped to train amarr bs 5

I just did the same! *high five*

I trained it a long time ago, to make my geddon more awesome.

If it weren't for my Pali, these changes would almost make me want to untrain it. *sniff*

i just stopped to train amarr bs 5

Ugh, I can't wait to ditch the Domi. Gonna be a Caldari, flying an Amarr BS, shooting missiles and using Gallantean drones. *head explodes*

If it gets you out of having to use the horrible Tier 1 lineup all the more power to ya.

Even in it's unpolished state I'd happily take the proposed geddon up against the current one... probably the Apoc as well.

But perhaps I'm just goofy that way.