He's not saying it's not used ; he is asking what would happen if the Armageddon cost the same than the Abaddon ?

Dont know where you get your numbers. Because all market sites i checked show that in last 180 days there have been on average 56% more sales of Armageddon hull compared to the Abbadon, not the other way around. Now i dont doubt that you guys at CCP have more accurate data and i would really like to some some hard numbers from you ppl proving the statement that Armageddon hull is not used.

I want my 8 low slots&utility high Amarr gunship back.

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I'd rather just stop playing (again, this time for a reason, and unlikely to come back), than see myself chewing this synthetic fecalias and keep a happy face.

Remember cats that they are basing the geddon changes off of the popularity of the prophecy.

I mean, all my Gallente friends are flying them nowadays.

And I would probably sub my inactive Khanid character again who, unlike this character, does actually undock and enjoy the short, short line of pure Khanid ships like the Sacrilege, Vengeance, etc. There is more to Amarr that just lasers and armor.

Tell that to my Sacrilege, ok? If you tried to make a point, you failed. Especially - mentioning Khanid in Amarr thread.

Just because YOU want something, doesn't mean, it's warranted, or fit the storyline.
Armageddon changes are just an attempt to pull a ship that was too expensive for him to fly into game through back door.
I don't mind a missile/drone boat in Amarr BS line (or, let's be honest, I would greatly benefit from such a ship), but not Armageddon, and not in this ******** way.

Honestly as long the drone/neut Armageddon still feature lazors in a viable way the 3 "new" ships will bring a lot of flavour and diversity to Amarr while not losing touch with the roots.

I would worry more about the changes for the Megathron (and the lack of changes for Rokh & Attack Battlecruisers)...

Honestly as long the drone/neut Armageddon still feature lazors in a viable way the 3 "new" ships will bring a lot of flavour and diversity to Amarr while not losing touch with the roots.

I would worry more about the changes for the Megathron (and the lack of changes for Rokh & Attack Battlecruisers)...

No one will use lasers in unbonused ship. This alone says a ton about their balance. You dont chance iconic ships because "i feel it is the right thing to do". **** that. If you are a developer and change something considerably I as a paying customer expect much better explanation than "i feel" and purely false excuses like "it is not used". It is the most used Amarr battleship. And especially after specifically stating in a dev blog that the hull is fine and wont be changed.

After some of my posts were removed, despite not containing anything offensive, conclusion is - this forum is waste of time. Changes will go ahead people do you like it or not. I bet testing will be a farce as well. Amarr ships are being destroyed, slap in the face for investing 51 mil sp in amarr only. And this post will be removed as well probably , because speaks the damn truth which is called "ranting". Changes are mostly FAIL. I do not appreciate CCP approach, thats what players get for over 100 plexes of subscription from accounts combined ( in my case) Thanks a lot.

My character is two years old, which for eve is... nothing.

I've already moved to a non-resist bonused hull and shield tanking for the time being. I did a few little tests on TQ just to compare, and the result is pretty sad. I tank more in the shield hull than my old resist-bonused hull; and I'm doing it with less than ideal skills and no implants. Just to specify, I'm comparing active shield to active armor right now. Does it feel wrong to me to be doing this? Hell yes, but I now see that we were even more the "red-headed step-child" than I first thought.

So, 99 pages of derision, tears, suggestions, and constructive criticism and I'm guessing that the feeling is still "Amarr is where we want it."

I've already moved to a non-resist bonused hull and shield tanking for the time being. I did a few little tests on TQ just to compare, and the result is pretty sad. I tank more in the shield hull than my old resist-bonused hull; and I'm doing it with less than ideal skills and no implants. Just to specify, I'm comparing active shield to active armor right now. Does it feel wrong to me to be doing this? Hell yes, but I now see that we were even more the "red-headed step-child" than I first thought. I'd love to come back to flying only Amarrian boats, but won't if this truly is the direction that is being forced on us.

If you're going to preach balance while nerfing things, you had best boost other properties at the same time. Again, I'm sure a bit of work went into some of this, but the execution is terrible. Someone earlier was preaching about homogenization; what's being done right now, this whole tiericide thing, is homogenization.

I'd like to share a little something that I've observed multiple times in the past about MMOs and games in general: You don't nerf anything unless it's ridiculously OP, instead you bring the other elements in line with the slight issue that sometimes gives the upper hand.

This works wonders; so does listening to the playerbase. I'm not a developer, publisher, or shareholder, but I do try my best to make my voice heard and to be objective in my observations. It would be infinitely appreciated to see the tiericide sink back into the cesspool it came from, and a proper ship by ship evaluation happen. It would be nice to see balanced changes that aren't blanket changes.

I'm going to continue testing a bit and try to see if I can find this elusive issue that is such a bugbear that we needed tiericide and resist nerfs. Until I do, or someone presents unbiased data that can be replicated, this is all gutter trash.

I'm not fully understanding here. For instance, the claim of bringing homogenization to a race

Homogenization ACROSS races. Please don't comment on issue you don't understand.

And we need more Khanid ships. Like the new Armageddon.

Can you really expect that? I would think they made their statements of balance being a continuous process for a reason. Obviously one does ones best, but clearly the response expects that if one does, there would never be any need to revisit a potentially large portion of that design. That is very short sighted. It's also unrealistic. Or are we really expecting everything to be perfect after the first pass?

Edit: also a bit more relevantly, some of what they are doing is to specifically test waves of changes in isolation to measure specific effects, in which case rushing into a multilevel rebalanced based on this change at the same time ruins any possibility of quantifying the changes effects since they won't be able to be isolated.

Also, why DOESN'T the Harbinger have a cousin?

I almost wonder if CCP should just strip the resist bonus off the Abaddon completely. It'd make the Amarr line easier to balance, though maybe introduce some more tears...

lets not even get into shield vs armor. shield means faster ships and more damage due to being able to use both mids and lows. the higher sig of shield is not enough to counter this so armor once again is left behind. ccp really needs to increase the sig radius of the shield mods to balance this out